HOUSE COMMITTEE ON ADVANCING E-GOVERNMENT

 

 

May 01, 2001                                                                                                          Hearing Room E

3:30 PM                                                                                                                          Tapes 45-46

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Rep. Jim Hill, Chair

Rep. Rob Patridge, Vice-Chair

Rep. Kathy Lowe

MEMBER EXCUSED:

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Mark Jolley, Committee Administrator

Alice Morton, Committee Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:           HB 3696 Public Hearing & Work Session

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

Tape 45, A

005

Chair Hill

Calls the committee to order at 3:45 p.m. and opens a public hearing on HB 3696, which limits the authority of the Public Utility Commission to regulate services of utilities.

HB 3696 – Public Hearing

006

John DiLorenzo

Attorney, representing Portland General Electric.  Makes brief opening statement introducing –1 amendments that PGE has developed (EXHIBIT A).

045

Michael Morgan

Attorney. Portland General Electric.  Goes through the –1 amendment detailing its contents.

076

Morgan

Continues, outlining Section 8 and onward.

103

Rep. Lowe

Says upon reading several parts of the amendment that it looks like many contracts would be sole source.

130

Morgan

Replies yes, it could make them sole source, but the PUC can also continue with traditional regulation.

163

DiLorenzo

Adds comments to clarify contract information in response to Rep. Lowe’s questions.

182

Rep. Lowe

Says she feels the legislature would be giving up its authority on contracts, it would be unconstitutional, and that the amendment does not feel right.

210

DiLorenzo

Responds.

212

Mark Hellman

Administrator, Public Utilities Commission.   Testifies, opposing HB 3696 and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT B). States the bill is so complex that the commission still does not have a good understanding of all the implications and that now is not the right time to consider a

 

major restructuring of the regulatory framework for energy utilities.

390

Hellman

Continues presentation, detailing reasons for opposing HB 3696.

420

Chair Hill

Asks for clarification and says he spoke with commissioner Smith yesterday and heard something different.

445

Hellman

Said in two weeks there might be a different view by the PUC given the anticipated change in commissioners as well as changes in other variables.

TAPE 46, A

035

Brad Van Cleve

Industrial Customers of Northwest Utilities (ICNU) and Northwest Industrial Gas Users (NWIGU). Testifies against HB 3696 and submits written comments (EXHIBIT C).

114

Jeff Bissonnette

Citizens Utility Board (CUB) Says they go on record as opposing the bill and says they have similar concerns as the previous speaker.

125

Chair Hill

Asks when the CUB would feel they are ready to address the concepts.

130

Bissonnette

Says he will need to speak with others of his group.

145

DiLorenzo

Comments on points of Mr. Hellmans’ testimony that he disagrees with.

175            Rep. Lowe   

Rep. Lowe

Asks for a summarizaiton of the law related to consumer protections.

180

Morgan

Supplies answer regarding the law.

190

DiLorenzo

Continues with rebuttal points.

205

Chair Hill

Asks about Public Utility Commission’s role.

210

Morgan

Responds that they do not expect anything sweeping, but that the contract would provide another tool for the commission.

225

DiLorenzo

Says they desire latitude to allow for the acquisition of experience and of contract/business experiments to enable possible innovation.

247

Mark Hellman

Public Utility Commission. Makes two points related to Mr. DiLorenzo’s comments. Adds there are some policy decisions that the legislature may wish to reserve for themselves, rather than bestow on the Public Utility Commission.

300

Rep. Patridge

Gives Mr. Hellman copies of the –4 amendment (EXHIBIT D).

322

Hellman

Says it is hard to understand on the spot what the –4 amendment does, and that he was only aware of the –1 amendments.

325

Chair Hill

Says it repeals SB 1149.

330

Committee

Exchange with Mr. Hellman and PUC attorney regarding the proposed amendments.

470

Committee

Verbal exchange continues.

TAPE 45, B

050

Jeff Bissonnette

Citizens Utility Board (CUB). Comments briefly on proposed amendments.

060

Chair Hill

Asks if there are any others who wish to speak toward HB 3696 or any amendments.

065

Chair Hill

Closes public hearing on HB 3696 and opens work session on HB3696. 

HB 3696 – Work Session

Recesses meeting from 4:45 to 5:05 p.m.

070

Rep. Hill

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3696--1 amendments dated 4/25/01.

 

 

VOTE:  1-2

AYE:               1 - Hill

NAY:               2 - Lowe, Patridge

075

Chair Hill

The motion FAILS.

 

079

Rep. Patridge

MOTION:  Moves to SUSPEND the rules for the purpose of adopting the hand engrossed version of the -5 amendments.

083

Chair Hill

Asks if there is any discussion.

085

Rep. Lowe

Says she wants to make a speech regarding the number of proposals about energy deregulation, as she is concerned about today’s proceedings. Says there must be a real delay, not a faux delay and that it must be a delay of up to two years. Says her other deep, deep concern is the necessity of having some public purpose funds available, as they are vital for the ratepayers and to develop energy alternatives. Says she prefers a two year delay, and suggests that for now, implementing ½ of the public purpose funds, which would be 1 ½ %. Says in so doing, we would have the next interim to monitor what the trust fund committee is doing with the funds, and how effective they are at helping develop other energy sources and implementing the public purpose funds. Says that  they could be given the other ½ of the public purpose funds once deregulation is implemented, if it is. Adds, HOWEVER, we are not doing that now, and we are faced with the current dilemma, therefore she supports Rep. Patridge’s motion on the –5 amendments (EXHIBIT E).

 

 

VOTE:  2-1

AYE:               2 - Lowe, Patridge

NAY:               1 - Hill

125

Chair Hill

The motion CARRIES.

 

 

130

Rep. Patridge

MOTION:  Moves to AMEND HB 3696 on page 1, in line 13, delete the reference 757.663; in addition to that, on page 5 delete section 7 in its entirety, and change what is now section 8 to section 7, which is on page 7, line 4.

 

140

Chair Hill

Asks if there is any discussion.

146

Rep. Patridge

Delivers his reasons for proposing the full repeal of SB 1149. Says he voted against it originally and feels there are too many unknown variables and external causes to deem it appropriate.

167

 

VOTE:  2-1

AYE:               2 - Lowe, Patridge

NAY:               1 - Hill

170

Chair Hill

The motion CARRIES.

 

180

Rep. Patridge

MOTION:  Moves HB 3696 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

Committee recesses from 5:10 p.m. to 5:20 p.m.

180

Chair Hill

Asks for any discussion, says this is not a prudent act at the time.

182

 

VOTE:  2-1

AYE:               2 - Lowe, Patridge

NAY:               1 - Hill

 

Chair Hill

The motion CARRIES.

 

184

Chair Hill

CHANGES vote from NAY to AYE on the MOTION to Move HB 3696 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation

SERVES NOTICE OF POSSIBLE RECONSIDERATION.

185

Chair Hill

Closes work session on HB 3696 and adjourns meeting at 5:20 p.m.

 

 

Submitted By,                                                                           Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Alice Morton,                                                                           Mark Jolley,

Committee Assistant                                                                 Committee Administrator

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 3696, -1 amendments, PGE staff to committee staff, 3pp.

B – HB 3696, written testimony, Mark Hellman, PUC staff, 3pp.

C – HB 3696, written testimony, Brad Van Cleve, 2pp.

D – HB 3696, -2, -3, -4 amendments, staff, 35pp.

E – HB 3696, -5 amendments, hand engrossed by Rep. Patridge, 7pp.