HOUSE COMMITTEE ON STREAM RESTORATION &

SPECIES RECOVERY

 

 

January 19, 2001                                                                                                     Hearing Room E

1:00 P.M.                                                                                                                     Tapes 10 – 13

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Rep. Bob Jenson, Chair

Rep. Jan Lee, Vice-Chair

Rep. Randy Leonard Vice-Chair

Rep. Tim Knopp

Rep. Jeff Kruse

Rep. Patti Smith

Rep. Al King

Rep. Carolyn Tomei

Rep. Kelley Wirth

 

VISTITING MEMBER:        Rep. Wayne Krieger

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Sandy Thiele-Cirka, Administrator

Linda K. Gatto, Administrative Support

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:           Oregon Plan Overview

                                                   Independent Multidisciplinary Science Team

HB 2183 – Work Session

Oregon Plan Overview

   Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife

   Oregon Trout

   Oregon Forest Industries Council

   Oregon Farm Bureau

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 10, A

003

Chair Jenson

Calls meeting to order at 1:00 p.m. Opens informational meeting as a subcommittee.

INFORMATIONAL MEETING – OREGON PLAN OVERVIEW

006

Dr. Logan Norris

Chairman, Independent Multidisciplinary Science Team (IMST).  Gives a power point presentation. Submits (EXHIBIT A).

130

Norris

Reviews the goals and objectives of the organization team and the products they produce. 

167

Chair Jenson

Closes the subcommittee and opens as a full committee.

172

Norris

Continues with presentation outlining the IMST’s challenge.

226

Chair Jenson

Asks if the workload is in line with the initial compensation that was established.

230

Norris

Notes that the funding level allotted for 20 percent of their time. The 1999 legislative assembly increased that to 33 percent.

257

Rep. King

Questions if there are proposed projects being delayed and will the team require an expansion.

274

Norris

Clarifies that the team is the right size for the focus.  States expanding the IMST could cause management difficulties.  Suggests a separate group be developed if political, economic, or social sciences need improved representation.

333

Rep. Kruse

Questions if the team has been inclined to suggest consideration of the other sciences.

363

Norris

Responds affirmatively. Notes that the conclusion of IMST is not to lead to the policy decisions but relate the science to the Oregon Plan.

384

Rep. Jenson

Comments that until recovery is defined the answers provided by science are also undefined.

403

Norris

Concurs that this is serious problem. States IMST has a project in which IMST will attempt to provide a scientific perspective on criteria that could be used to determine measurable goals.

422

Chair Jenson

Closes informational meeting and opens work session on HB 2183.

WORK SESSION – HB 2183

TAPE 11, A

019

Sandy Thiele-Cirka

Committee Administrator. Reviews the content of HB 2183 and presents the –1 amendment dated 1/16/01 (EXHIBIT B).

025

Rep. Lee

MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2183  –1 amendment (1/16/01).

033

Chair Jenson

VOTE: 9-0

Hearing no objections the motion CARRIES.

037

Rep. Kruse

MOTION:  Moves HB 2183 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

 

 

VOTE:  9-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

060

Chair Jenson

The motion CARRIES.

062

Rep. Kruse

MOTION:  Moves HB 2183 be placed on the CONSENT CALENDAR.

 

 

VOTE:  9-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

071

Chair Jenson

The motion CARRIES.

073

Chair Jenson

Closes the work session on HB 2183 and re-opens the informational meeting.

OREGON PLAN OVERVIEW

080

Robin Brown

Marine Mammal Program Leader, Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife (ODFW). Submits (EXHIBIT C), the status of Oregon Pinniped research.

136

Brown

Outlines (EXHIBIT C), refers to page three and states marine mammals of primary concern are seals and sea lions.

180

Brown

Refers to page seven through eleven, discusses the population counts and the Marine Mammal Act.

289

Brown

Reviews the issues and actions relative to predation studies.

303

Rep. Kruse

Questions the removal of seals and sea lions without reducing the population.

310

Brown

Answers the report recommends that the law be amended to allow state and federal resource agencies to remove small numbers of animals without having to go through an extended bureaucratic process.

328

Rep. Kruse

Asks why the 1970’s are the baseline when the seal and sea lion populations were the lowest in the 1880’s at the height of the whaling industry.

341

Brown

Answers that the data starts at that time.

370

Rep. Kruse

Mentions that in 1994 United States Congress directed the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) and wonders what recommendation came of it.

389

Brown

Provides background, but notes there are no hard answers.

TAPE 10, B (due to a technical malfunction, portions of this tape are inaudible)

 

 

TAPE IS SKIPPING

033

Brown

Explains the Marine Mammal Protection Act.

042

Rep. Krieger

Refers to Dr. Bruce Mate’s study in the Rogue River and states that sea lion populations are a problem.

060

Rep. Kruse

Asks about the separation of species to maintain maximum protection of other species.

065

Brown

Answers that this has been discussed.

070

Rep. Wirth

Questions how estimates are calculated, page 21.

075

Brown

Responds that these estimates are minimal.

086

Rep. Tomei

Asks how sea lions move into fresh water.

087

Brown

Answers that they venture for food, they can live in either salt or fresh water. Explains how this may be becoming a larger problem.

097

Jim Myron

Oregon Trout. Notes that Oregon Trout supports Oregon Plan and submits (EXHIBIT D).

 

 

TAPE CUTS OFF

TAPE 11, B

038

Rep. Wirth

Inquires if ODFW has responded to the proposal of becoming the lead agency for the Oregon Plan.

045

Myron

Responds there is an opportunity for it to happen.

053

Rep. King

Asks about the Oregon Watershed Enhancement Board  (OWEB) monitoring program.

063

Myron

Answers that monitoring has been an afterthought. States that he can provide the committee with a letter, supported by a number of groups that was submitted to the governor and the Northwest Power Planning Council.

078

Rep. King

Questions OWEB’s monitoring procedures.

082

Myron

Answers OWEB is developing a monitoring plan, but the follow up has been weak.

111

Ray Wilkeson

Oregon Forest Industries Council (OFIC). Describes OFIC and their history with the Oregon Plan.

160

Wilkeson

States the 1997 legislative session allocated $30 million to fund the Oregon Plan. Notes that the forest industry agreed to a temporary two-year responsibility to provide half that funding.

202

Wilkeson

Expresses support for the Oregon Plan.  Identifies pending questions: institutionalizing the Oregon Plan, political commitment of a future governor, and Oregon’s independence from the federal government.

244

Rep. Krieger

Questions the commitment that was made by industrial landowners for road maintenance, upgrades, and culverts.

249

Wilkeson

Explains that a survey determined the cost of retrofitting all old roads and culverts at a cost of $130 million and it is currently being done.

264

Rep. Kruse

Asks about Endangered Species Act and solving problems.

210

Wilkeson

Answers the 4(d) rule could have an effect on people’s ability and willingness to take action. Explains industry issues related to the 4(d) rule.

301

Pete Test

Associate Director of Governmental Affairs, Oregon Farm Bureau (OFB). Gives history of OFB with the Oregon Plan.

370

Test

Discusses Animal Feeding Operations/Confined Animal Feeding Operations (AFO/CAFO) and EPA regulations. Explains the plan is a grassroots, bottom up planning system.

411

Test

Reviews legislative issues and reporting to Healthy Streams Partnership (HSP).

443

Test

Discusses water quality standard issues, including temperature standards. Expresses concern about funding.

TAPE 12, A (due to a technical malfunction, portions of this tape are inaudible)

046

Test

Mentions regional group composed of EPA, NMFS, USFWS, and tri-state DEQ’s are looking to develop a regional temperature standard.

081

Test

Stresses that programs need to be long term rather than short term to obtain secure funding. Notes concerns with watershed councils.

118

Rep. Leonard

Questions if temperature standards mean not being able to farm up to the stream.

122

Test

Answers and explains temperature standards.

145

Rep. Leonard

Discusses property rights and temperature goals. Questions watershed councils concerns.

152

Test

Answers and explains on-going efforts are being made to achieve goals and mentions SB 1010.

TAPE 13, A

005

Chair Jenson

Closes informational meeting and adjourns the meeting at 3:00 p.m.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Transcribed By,                                                                        Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Linda K. Gatto,                                                                        Sandy Thiele-Cirka,

Committee Assistant                                                                 Committee Administrator

 

 

 

 

Transcribed By,

 

 

 

 

 

Michael Reiley

Committee Assistant

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – Oregon Plan Overview, IMST written materials, Dr. Logan Norris, 6 pp.

B – HB 2183-1 amendment and engrossed bill, staff, 3 pp.

C – Oregon Plan Overview, written materials, Robin Brown, 30 pp.

D – Oregon Plan Overview, written testimony, Jim Myron, 1 p