HOUSE COMMITTEE ON STREAM RESTORATION

& SPECIES RECOVERY

 

 

February 05, 2001                                                                                                   Hearing Room E

1:00 P.M.                                                                                                                     Tapes  23 - 25

 

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Rep. Bob Jenson, Chair

Rep. Jan Lee, Vice-Chair

Rep. Randy Leonard Vice-Chair

Rep. Tim Knopp

Rep. Jeff Kruse

Rep. Patti Smith

Rep. Al King

Rep. Carolyn Tomei

Rep. Kelley Wirth

 

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Sandy Thiele-Cirka, Administrator

Linda K. Gatto, Administrative Support

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:          

                                                Public Hearing

                                                   HJM 5

                                                Informational Meeting

                                                Hatchery & Wild Fish Discussion:

                                                   American Fisheries Society

                                                   Independent Fisheries Scientists

 

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 23, A

004

Chair Jenson

Calls the meeting to order at 1:04 p.m. as a subcommittee and opens a public hearing on HJM 5.

PUBLIC HEARING HJM 5

010

Chair Jenson

Summarizes HJM 5 and opens full committee.

027

Mike Grainey

Assistant Director, Office of Energy.  Submits (EXHIBIT A) and provides a brief background on the Hanford site.

051

Chair Jenson

Requests an explanation on the difference between single shell and double shell storage tanks.

056

Grainey

Responds that there are in excess of 150 underground tanks storing liquid radioactive waste. Provides details on tank design.

077

Chair Jenson

Questions if any leakage has occurred.

078

Grainey

Responds affirmatively and describes the types and locations.

080

Rep. Lee

Inquires if the annual clean-up expense is included in the budget.

083

Grainey

Responds there are estimates of the expense.  States that currently the budget for Hanford cleanup is $1.6 billion annually. Notes that this level of funding will be necessary for the next 30 – 50 years.

097

Rep. King

Notes the plume and tests are not part of the exhibit.

100

Grainey

Expresses that there has been contamination.

132

Rep. Lee

Questions why Oregon was not made part of the tri-county agreement.

137

Grainey

Answers the agreement pertains to the state where the facility is located. Identifies US Department of Energy, Federal Environmental Protection Agency, and the State of Washington as parties of the agreement..

140

Chair Jenson

Generalizes that of the $1.6 billion what portion is being spent on economic development for the geographic area.

173

Doug Riggs

Representing PAC/WEST and member of Hanford Information Network. Submits (EXHIBIT B). Outlines and explains the three problems:

1.       Spent nuclear fuel was not reprocessed;

2.       Variety of waste sites;

3.       End of design life for the underground tanks.

290

Riggs

Concludes testimony stating the need for broad public support and cooperation between the state and federal delegations.

314

Rep. Jeff Merkley

House District 16. States the clean up effort is a significant undertaking. Provides an overview.

348

Rep. King

Questions the contractor’s status.

350

Riggs

Provides the names of the current contractors.

377

Rep. King

Notes the problems associated with keeping contractors engaged in the project. Notes that the companies mentioned are Fortune 500 companies with the strong credentials.

396

Riggs

Comments that the transition from a production mode to a clean up mode has taken longer than necessary.

TAPE 24, A

013

Chair Jenson

Comments that it has been stated that the Hanford waste site is the single largest environmental problem in the United States. Closes the public hearing on HJM 5. Announces an Oregon Plan work group (EXHIBIT C). Submits a series of articles by Robert Lackey (EXHIBIT D). Opens informational meeting.

INFORMATIONAL MEETING

089

Stephan Kafoury

Representing American Fisheries Society. Submits white paper, Managing Wild and Hatchery Fish in Oregon (EXHIBIT E). Introduces panel.

145

Jim Hall, Ph.D.

Presents position of the Oregon Chapter of the American Fisheries Society. Notes that hatchery fish may pose both genetic and ecological risk to wild fish.

159

Barbara Shields

Professor Oregon State University (OSU). Reads from (EXHIBIT E).

162

Doug Cramer

Fish Biologist, Portland General Electric. Talks about how the timing of the returns have changed. Expresses concern that the hatchery fish are not spawning and this will extend the time the fish are listed.

224

Rep. Tomei

Clarifies that the large number of hatchery fish in the Sandy River compete with the wild fish.

234

Cramer

Responds affirmatively.

283

Rep. Leonard

Concludes that hatchery survival is being promoted. Notes that the current hatchery practices are not based on current science.

337

Cramer

Explains that production hatcheries remove all the pressure of natural selection.

365

Rep. Leonard

Expresses confusion about the status of hatchery fish that have lived in the ocean and return.

388

Shields

Responds by illustrating a comparison to childhood diseases and vaccines.

TAPE 23, B

017

Shields

Discussion with Rep. Leonard about what constitutes a feral fish

023

Rep. Leonard

Questions if wild brood stocks raised in a hatchery, released, and returned have been studied for survival traits.

107

Shields

Responds studies have been based on neutral, indirect indicators of what is occurring genetically.

157

Rep. King

Questions if a conservation hatchery fish and a concrete hatchery fish are same degree feral fish.

166

Shields

Responds the degree of difference is dependent on the pressure placed on them.

180

Rep. King

Comments on zero reproduction testimony.

194

Cramer

Responds there are hatchery fish spawning in the wild but not reproducing at an identifiable level.

218

Chair Jenson

Comments on the costs associated with of replicating a natural environment. Requests clarification about the genetic differences.

251

Shields

Responds the change occurs when the hatchery practices alter the survivability of the fish.

381

Jim Lannan

Emeritus Professor, OSU. Submits (EXHIBIT F) and discusses the conservation role of hatcheries.

TAPE 24, B

042

Lannan

Discusses proposed hatchery closures and the genetic differences.

101

Lannan

Continues testimony stating that the genetic differences can be found between natural and hatchery populations because of genetic history.

179

William McNeil, Ph.D.

Comments on the dominance of hatchery fish and production limitations.

295

McNeil

Discusses four areas of survivability.

335

Don Amend, Ph.D.

Provides professional background. Submits resume and reads prepared testimony (EXHIBIT G).

TAPE 25, A

040

Rep. Leonard

Asks for his opinion why National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) does not include hatchery fish in the listing of endangered species.

047

Lannan

Answers the intention of the Endangered Species Act (ESA) is to address natural populations. Notes that this position is being challenged.

060

Rep. King

Comments that the genetic difference in the wild would be broader than the hatchery fish.

085

Lannan

Responds that the selective pressures are placed on the fish while in the ocean.

158

 

General hatchery management discussion.

239

Richard Noble

Member of American Fisheries Society. Discusses hatchery practices.

330

Chair Jenson

Closes informational meeting and adjourns the meeting at 3:15 p.m.

 

 

Submitted By,                                                                           Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Linda K. Gatto,                                                                        Sandy Thiele-Cirka,

Committee Assistant                                                                 Committee Administrator

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A.  HJM 5, written materials, Mike Grainey, 3 pp.

B.     HJM 5, written materials, Doug Riggs, 3 pp.

C.     Oregon Plan Workgroup announcement, Rep. Jenson, 1 p

D.    Articles authored by Robert Lackey, Rep. Jenson, 18 pp.

E.     Managing Wild & Hatchery Fish in Oregon, Stephen Kafoury, 4 pp.

F.      Written testimony, James Lannan, 5 pp.

G.    Written testimony, Donald F. Amend, 3 pp.