HOUSE COMMITTEE ON STREAM RESTORATION

 & SPECIES RECOVERY

 

 

January 31, 2001                                                                                                     Hearing Room E

1:00 P.M.                                                                                                                      Tapes 21 - 22

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Rep. Bob Jenson, Chair

Rep. Jan Lee, Vice-Chair

Rep. Randy Leonard Vice-Chair

Rep. Tim Knopp

Rep. Jeff Kruse

Rep. Patti Smith

Rep. Al King

Rep. Carolyn Tomei

Rep. Kelley Wirth

 

MEMBER VISTING:                        Rep. Wayne Krieger

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Sandy Thiele-Cirka, Committee Administrator

Linda K. Gatto, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES/ISSUES HEARD:

                                                Public Hearing

                                                   HJM 4

                                                Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife (ODFW)

                                                   Hatchery Fish, Wild Fish, Native Fish Conservation Policy

                                                Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                   HB 2457

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 21,  A

003

Chair Jenson

Calls the meeting to order at 1:10 p.m. and opens public hearing on HJM 4.

PUBLIC HEARING - HJM 4

010

Sandy Thiele-Cirka

Administrator. Summarizes HJM 4.

016

Terry Thompson

Former Representative. States the Marine Mammal Act (MMA) is about to be re-authored and the goal is to resolve the conflict between protecting pinnipeds and salmon recovery under the Endangered Species Act (ESA).

043

Thompson

Relates a sea lion story.

059

Robin Brown

Marine Mammal Program Leader, Oregon Department of Fish & Wildlife (ODFW). Submits (EXHIBIT A) and reviews.

129

Chair Jenson

Questions if the language is specific enough.

138

Brown

Responds the language resulted from discussions with NMFS and the State of Washington.

152

Chair Jenson

Questions if the State of Washington is proceeding with a similar action.

158

Brown

Responds that the states of Washington and California have addressed this issue in previous sessions.

160

Rep. Wirth

Questions what does the removal of pinnipeds entail.

167

Brown

Provides a brief background on the development of this proposal. Clarifies the non-lethal removal of sea lions that prey in particular locations.

218

Rep. Wirth

Questions the definition of adequate to ensure.

225

Brown

Responds that NMFS has made stock determinations on marine mammals.

259

Rep. Thompson

Comments on the need for more information to make good management decisions.

286

Rep. Krieger

Notes that in the budget presented to the Legislative Task Force on Pacific Fisheries Management presented by the states of Oregon, Washington, California, and the federal government amounted to $38 million to study pinnipeds.

293

Rep. Thompson

Responds the money goes to Alaskan fisheries to study Stellar sea lions and that very little money is allocated to Oregon.

315

Rep. Kruse

Questions when the authority was transferred to NMFS.

327

Brown

Answers that the MMA does provide an option for the state to regulate, but it is difficult to implement.

400

Glen Stonebrink

Executive Director, Oregon Cattlemen’s Association. Submits (EXHIBIT B), testifies in support of the bill and discusses SB 31.

TAPE 22, A

029

Chair Jenson

Closes the public hearing on HJM 4, opens informational meeting on hatchery and wild fish.

037

Ed. Bowles

Fish Division Director, ODFW.  Provides an overview of           (EXHIBIT C).

083

Bowles

Continues with overview, part III.

150

Rep. Tomei

Request clarification on what is meant by altered spawn timing and altered age of adults.

156

Bowles

Responds this relates to wild fish risk survival.

170

Rep. Tomei

Questions risk factors for wild fish.

173

Bowles

Answers the wild fish characteristics displayed are the best in a specific watershed. Provides an example of disease transmission.

204

Chair Jenson

Clarifies that a condition could be amplified in the wild.

223

Rep. Leonard

Questions to what extent a hatchery fish is less adaptable to the wild due to hatchery practices.

233

Bowles

Responds there are behavior shifts.

266

Rep. Leonard

Questions the differences between a fish raised in a natural setting and a first generation native fish.

283

Bowles

Responds the focus has been to provide a survival advantage. 

307

Rep. Leonard

Clarifies to the extent there are differences, to what extent can those differences be attributed to hatchery practices.

310

Bowles

Responds the differences can be attributed to hatchery practices. Notes that which practices effect behavior or genetics are unknown.

342

Rep. Leonard

Expresses that an explanation as to why a fish genetically identical to a native fish cannot be raised in a hatchery setting is important.

352

Bowles

Responds the goal is to minimize a hatchery fishes ability to adapt to a new environment.

392

Rep. Leonard

Clarifies the concern is if can natural conditions be replicated and produce genetically equal fish.

TAPE 21, B

048

Bowles

Resumes presentation on conservation hatcheries.

076

Rep. Krieger

Asks how many generations does it take for a fish to become naturally sustainable.

081

Bowles

Answers the longer the fish lives in a changeable environment the better.

123

Rob Jones

Branch Chief Hatcheries and Inland Fisheries, National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS). States that one measure of success is determined by how well the fish are able to sustain in the wild.

180

Jones

Notes the issue is how to accomplish a sustainable population in the wild while using hatcheries.

211

Rep. King

Comments that an acceptable term that defines an understanding would be helpful.

242

Jones

Responds that NMFS’s perspective is a fish that survives in the wild and produces offspring that survive in the wild is wild.

274

Rep. King

Reiterates a term that defines fish that share characteristics that indicate at what phase toward being wild they are in is being requested.

294

Jones

Responds that NMFS does not title fish as hatchery or wild, but rather characterize fish based on biological and behavioral characteristics.

315

Bowles

Concurs that using the term hatchery or wild does not accommodate a descriptive term for what level of wildness a fish is.

339

Rep. King

Questions whether DNA studies have been done to identify the genetic diversity of different runs.

353

Jones

Responds there is a pioneer effort being done in the Salmon River basin on sockeye salmon.  Discusses establishing a level for recovery.

TAPE 22, B

003

Rep. Tomei

Requests clarification relating to hatchery fish endangering wild fish.

010

Bowles

Responds that this issue is critical. Explains the wild fish that has survived in the wild for generations are better equipped for continued survival and hatchery fish may not have developed this ability. Continues clarification noting that hatchery fish can amplify the total fish within the wild fish causing the reduction of their ability to survive in the wild.

076

Rep. Wirth

Comments on natural selection and questions if the focus should be on habitat rather than fish.

088

Jones

Explains that a comprehensive approach considers harvest, hatchery reform, habitat, ocean conditions, and predators.

096

Rep. Wirth

Questions what happens if the best habitat is established but does not meet NMFS requirements.

110

Jones

Responds that experience has indicated that fish can be restored and recover to satisfy the ESA requirements.

130

Chair Jenson

Closes information meeting and opens a public hearing on HB 2457.

PUBLIC HEARING – HB 2457

152

Thiele-Cirka

Summarizes HB 2457.

191

Terry Thompson

Former Oregon Representative. Explains the need for regular reporting.

206

Jim Neifert

Legislative Coordinator for Oregon Parks and Recreation (OPRD). Submits (EXHIBIT D). Currently, ORS 805.256 provides OPRD with half the funds from the plate sales.  Provides background information on HB 2457.

262

Neifert

Reviews successful park projects.

300

Rep. Lee

Questions how the other half of the funds are used.

306

Thompson

Responds that ODOT receives the other half and those projects are approved through OWEB.

346

Chair Jenson

Closes the public hearing on HB 2457 and opens a work session.

350

Rep. Knopp

MOTION:  Moves HB 2457 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

351

 

VOTE:  8 – 0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  1 – Leonard

 

352

Chair Jenson

The motion CARRIES.

 

Rep. SMITH will lead discussion on the floor.

355

Chair Jenson

Closes the work session and adjourns the meeting at 3:00 p.m.

 

Submitted By,                                                                           Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Linda K. Gatto,                                                                        Sandy Thiele-Cirka,

Committee Assistant                                                                 Committee Administrator

 

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A.  HJM 5, ODFW Statement and Report to Congress from NOAA, Robin Brown, 23 pp.

B.  HJM 5, US Code: Title 16, Section 1379 and 1389, Glen Stonebrink, 4 pp.

C.     Hatchery, Wild and Native Fish, written testimony, Ed Bowles, 5 pp.

D.    HB 2457, written testimony and published material, Jim Neifert, 9 pp.