SENATE COMMITTEE ON HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

 

 

April 11, 2001                                                                                                         Hearing Room B

1:00 PM                                                                                                                        Tapes 83 - 87

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:         Sen. Bill Fisher, Chair

Sen. Margaret Carter, Vice-Chair

Sen. Gary George

Sen. Frank Shields

Sen. Ken Messerle

 

STAFF PRESENT:                 Rick Berkobien, Administrator

Andrew Morris, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES HEARD:                       SB 906 Public Hearing

                                                SB 99 Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 83, A

004

Chair Fisher

Calls meeting to order at 1:08 p.m. and opens a public hearing on        SB 906.

SB 906 PUBLIC HEARING

006

Rick Berkobien

Administrator.  Explains SB 906 to the committee.

022

Doug Riggs

Representing Metro.  Testifies in support of SB 906. 

032

Bill Atherton

Metro.  Testifies in support of SB 906.  Comments on a proposed amendment. 

054

Scott Moss

Metro Staff.  Testifies in support of SB 906.  Explains Metro’s cost for health insurance coverage.  Comments on the affects of the bill. 

068

Sen. Messerle

Asks how the criteria are determined.

072

Riggs

Responds the criteria were derived through research.

089

Sen. Messerle

Comments on having a bond to build up financial reserves.

095

Moss

Explains the self-insurance regulations. 

134

Ken Allen

AFSCME.  Testifies in support of SB 906.  Comments on healthcare costs. 

150

Bruce Bishop

Kaiser Foundation.  Testifies in opposition to SB 906 (EXHIBIT A).  Comments on federal law.  Explains why SB 906 should not be passed.

280

Bishop

Continues testimony. 

320

Chair Fisher

Asks if Kaiser would be open to amendments.

327

Bishop

Relates Kaiser’s position. 

355

Chair Fisher

Relates a possible amendment.  Asks how many employees Metro has.

380

Moss

States that Metro has 650 employees.  Relates Eugene’s self-insurance system. 

TAPE 84, A

013

Chair Fisher

Closes the public hearing on SB 906 and opens a public hearing on   SB 99

SB 99 PUBLIC HEARING

016

Berkobien

Explains SB 99 to the committee.

080

Rep. Cedric Hayden

HD 43, DMD.  Testifies in support of SB 99.  Provides personal background.  Comments on preventive care.  Relates the cost of dental care.  Reviews physiology of fluoridation.  States that fluoridation has helped to increase life expectancy.

181

Dr.  H. Whitney Payne

Health Division.  Testifies in support of SB 99 (EXHIBIT E).  Relates figures that support fluoridation.  Comments on the need for fluoridation.  States the bill has the governor’s support. 

234

Dr. Charles Wingard

DMD, President Oregon Dental Association.  Presents testimony in support of SB 99 (EXHIBIT B).  Relates studies that were done showing the positive effects of fluoridation.  Comments on the cost/benefit ratio.  States that Oregon ranks 45th in fluoridation.

295

Dr. Noel Martin

DMD.  Testifies in support of SB 99 (EXHIBIT C).  Relates polls and study results.  Presents video presentation.  Comments on dental decay in children. 

TAPE 83, B

000

Jeff Green

National Director, Citizens For Safe Drinking Water.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99 (EXHIBIT D).  Comments on the toxicology of fluoridation.

090

Chair Fisher

Asks about the toxicology danger.

095

Green

Responds by explaining the dangerous chemicals in fluoride.  Comments on the sources of fluoride. 

134

Dr. Hardy Limeback

University of Toronto.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99 (EXHIBIT F).  Comments on the cost of fluoridation.  States that too much fluoride can cause dental disease.

190

Sen. George

Asks about the effects on newborns.

197

Limeback

Explains the effects on newborns. 

208

Sen. George

Asks for health risks on newborns.

211

Limeback

Explains some possible risks for newborns. 

230

Green

Adds comment to Limeback’s testimony. 

240

Sen. George

Asks about the effect of the fluoride.

247

Green

Responds that fluoride raises lead levels in blood.

259

Limeback

Rebuts the information presented in the video. 

278

Green

Lists groups that are opposed to SB 99.

290

Sen. George

Comments on increased aluminum levels in the brain due to fluoridation.

306

Green

Provides follow-up to Sen. George’s comments.

330

Sen. Kate Brown

SD 7.  Testifies in support of SB 99 (EXHIBIT G).  Relates a personal experience.  States that fluoridation is not a radical concept.  Lists groups that support fluoridation.

379

Chair Fisher

Asks about the fiscal impact for the city of Portland.

383

Sen. Brown

Gives cost figures. 

413

Dr. Paul Engelking

M.D.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99 (EXHIBIT H).  Provides comments on fluoridation.

TAPE 84, B

010

Engelking

Continues testimony. 

109

Sen. George

Asks if fluoride can be removed.

117

Engelking

Responds no.  Continues testimony.

138

Dr. Eric Dover

M.D.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99 (EXHIBIT I).  Comments on the negative impact of fluoridation.  Gives statistics from      (EXHIBIT I).

310

Rep. Alan Bates

HD 52, Physician.  Testifies on SB 99.  Comments on scientific research.  States that there have not been long term studies done on the effects of fluoridation. 

356

Sen. Shields

Asks about USDA studies.

365

Rep. Bates

Responds he is unsure if studies have been done.  Comments on toxicity in well water. 

TAPE 85, A

002

Chair Fisher

Enters testimony into the record (EXHIBIT J).

003

Dr. James Lace

M.D.  Oregon Medical Association.  Testifies in support of SB 99 (EXHIBIT K).  Comments on the benefits of fluoridation.  Rebuts previous testimony.

059

Dr. Bill Schuyler

DMD, Pediatric Dentist.  Reads testimony in support of SB 99 (EXHIBIT L). 

101

Dr. Mike Shirtcliff

DMD.  Reads testimony in support of SB 99 (EXHIBIT M). 

185

Deborah Loyd

Reads testimony from Bob Dannenhoffer, M.D. in support of SB 99 (EXHIBIT N). 

227

Tim Sherman

City of Salem, Water Division. 

236

Sofia Hobet

City of Salem, Water Division.

240

Chair Fisher

Asks about the process of fluoridation.

247

Sherman

Explains the process of water fluoridation.  States that it costs 40 cents per person for a year of fluoridation.  States that fluoride is by-product of fertilizer.  Explains water sampling for safety. 

335

Sen. Shields

Asks if fluctuations are public record.

342

Sherman

Responds affirmatively.

371

Sandra Duffy

Citizens For Safe Drinking Water.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99 (EXHIBIT O).  Relates studies that have been done. 

TAPE 86, A

000

Duffy

Continues testimony.

056

Travis Williams

Executive Director, Willamette Riverkeeper.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99 (EXHIBIT P). 

117

Dr. Ann Durant

Chiropractor.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99 (EXHIBIT Q).  Relates scientists who have concerns about fluoridation.  Comments on fluoridation in European countries. 

220

Chair Fisher

Comments on natural fluoride.

240

Durant

Comments on toxicity of natural fluoride. 

320

Frank Gearhart

Citizens Interested In Bull Run, Inc.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99 (EXHIBIT R).  Comments on individual rights. 

TAPE 85, B

000

Willie Tiffany

League of Oregon Cities.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99    (EXHIBIT S).  Comments on the fiscal impact.

023

Larry Rains

Medford Water Commission.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99.  Relates community reaction to fluoridation. 

093

Sen. George

Relates personal opinion. 

100

Tiffany

Comments on the state Drinking Water Act. 

132

Miriam Green

Consumer.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99 (EXHIBIT T).  Comments on fluoride in the air. 

242

Michael Framson

Oregon Citizens for Safe Drinking Water.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99 (EXHIBIT U).  Describes problems that have been linked to water fluoridation. 

330

Framson

Continues testimony. 

377

Chair Fisher

Asks if there are other causes of fluorosis.

392

Framson

Explains different types of fluorides. 

TAPE 86, B

000

Dr. Gordon Empey

DMD.  Oregon Primary Care.  Testifies in support of SB 99 (EXHIBIT V).  Comments on the rate of fluoridation in the US, which is about 70 percent. 

029

Martin

Rebuts previous testimony. 

076

Sen. George

Asks about cost savings with fluoridation.

087

Martin

Responds about 25 percent. 

116

Jerry Larson

Volunteer, Northwest Medical Teams.  Pediatric Dentist, DMD.  Testifies in support of SB 99.

130

Sen. George

Asks about topical fluoride treatment is better than ingesting it.

138

Larson

Responds a combination of the two is the best use.

148

Chair Fisher

Enters testimony into the record (EXHIBIT W). 

166

Alan Fletcher

OWVC.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99.  States the issue should be left up to local municipalities.   

190

Sen. Shields

Asks about the proposed amendments.

195

Fletcher

Responds that amendments are in the works. 

205

John Killin

Special Districts Association of Oregon.  Testifies in opposition to    SB 99 (EXHIBIT X).  Comments on local water districts.

250

Rhett Lawrence

Oregon State Public Interest Research Group.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99 (EXHIBIT Y).  States that fluoride additives are not proven safe. 

282

Mary O’Brien

Ecosystem Projects Director of Science and Environmental Health Network.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99 (EXHIBIT Z).  Relates research that states a possibility of problems related to fluoridation. 

400

Susan Schneider

City of Portland.  Testifies in opposition SB 99 (EXHIBIT AA). 

TAPE 87, A

008

Sandra Bishop

EWEB Commissioner.  Testifies in opposition to SB 99        (EXHIBIT BB).  Comments on the medicinal qualities of fluoridation.

067

Lynn Campbell

Oregon Citizens for Safe Drinking Water.  Testifies in opposition to   SB 99.  Comments on the toxic effects of fluoride.  Provides personal opinion.  States that studies need to be done before water is fluoridated. 

127

Chair Fisher

Asks how Oregon compares to other states in diabetes related to fluoridation. 

135

Campbell

Responds she is unsure. 

145

Chair Fisher

Provides personal opinion. 

170

Campbell

Clarifies testimony. 

185

Chair Fisher

Enters letters into the record (EXHIBIT CC).

228

Chair Fisher

Closes the public hearing on SB 99 and adjourns the meeting at       5:08 p.m.

 

 

Submitted By,                                                                           Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Andrew Morris,                                                                        Rick Berkobien,

Committee Assistant                                                                 Administrator

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – SB 906, Written testimony, Bruce Bishop, 4 pp.

B – SB 99, Written testimony, Charles Wingard, 7 pp.

C – SB 99, Written testimony, Noel Martin, 2 pp.

D – SB 99, Written testimony, Jeff Green, 62 pp.

E – SB 99, Written testimony, H. Whitney Payne, 69 pp.

F – SB 99, Written testimony, Hardy Limeback, 1 p.

G – SB 99, Written testimony, Sen. Kate Brown, 3 pp.

H – SB 99, Written testimony, Paul Engelking, 3 pp.

I – SB 99, Written testimony, Eric Dover, 30 pp.

J – SB 99, Letter, Sen. Bill Fisher, 1 p.

K – SB 99, Written testimony, James Lace, 1 p.

L – SB 99, Written testimony, Bill Schuyler, 1 p.

M - SB 99, Written testimony, Mike Shirtcliff, 2 pp.

N – SB 99, Letter, Deborah Loyd, 1 p.

O – SB 99, Written testimony, Sandra Duffy, 6 pp.

P – SB 99, Written testimony, Travis Williams, 3 pp.

Q – SB 99, Written testimony, Ann Durant, 7 pp.

R – SB 99, Written testimony, Frank Gearhart, 1 p.

S – SB 99, Written testimony, Willie Tiffany, 4 pp.

T – SB 99, Written testimony, Miriam Green, 6 pp.

U – SB 99, Written testimony, Michael Framson, 20 pp.

V – SB 99, Written testimony, Gordon Empey, 2 pp.

W – SB 99, Letters, Sen. Bill Fisher, 6 pp.

X – SB 99, Written testimony, John Killin, 1 p.

Y – SB 99, Written testimony, Rhett Lawrence, 1 p.

Z – SB 99, Written testimony, Mary O’Brien, 3 pp.

AA – SB 99, Information, Susan Schneider, 1 p.

BB – SB 99, Written testimony, Sandra Bishop, 1 p.

CC – SB 99, Letters, Sen. Bill Fisher, 18 pp.