SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, AGRICULTURE, SALMON AND WATER

 

 

January 15, 2001   Hearing Room B

8:00 AM    Tapes  5 – 6

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Sen. Ken Messerle, Chair

Sen. Frank Shields, Vice-Chair

Sen. Bill Fisher

Sen. Ginny Burdick

Sen. Jason Atkinson

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Ryan Deckert

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Judith Callens, Committee Administrator

Patricia Nielsen, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            Informational Meeting / Wild Fish Policy

                                                SB 62 – Public Hearing

                                                SB 285 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 5, A

004

Chair Messerle

Opens meeting at 8:03 a.m.

WILD FISH POLICY

013

Ed Bowles

Fish Division Director, Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.  Presents information about the native fish conservation policy, also known as the wild fish policy.  Submits outline of written testimony, (EXHIBIT A).  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT B).

067

Bowles

Continues reviewing submitted material.

123

Bowles

Continues reviewing submitted material.

150

Bowles

Continues reviewing submitted material.

172

Chair Messerle

Inquires whether the National Marine Fisheries Service (NMFS) has a wild fish policy.

175

Bowles

Explains that NMFS authority is under the Endangered Species Act (ESA).

190

Chair Messerle

Asks for a definition of hatchery fish and wild fish.

194

Bowles

Responds and defines hatchery fish and wild fish, and the roles of both.

243

Chair Messerle

Asks about how the Department is planning to work with the wild fish.

258

Bowles

Elaborates on policies being considered and the need for continued feedback.

296

Chair Messerle

Asks about whether the Department’s long range vision is to keep wild and hatchery fish separate or to integrate the populations.

307

Bowles

Explains the long-term approach to integrate the populations.

317

Sen. Atkinson

Requests a definition of a conservation hatchery.  Asks whether  Oregon is committed to finding a middle ground of how hatcheries are constructed and run.  Also, inquires whether Oregon will highlight any of its current hatcheries into that definition.  Inquires whether some are more conservation-oriented.

360

Bowles

Clarifies that the definition is based on Oregon statute.  Discusses roles of hatchery fish, and types of hatcheries.

436

Roy Elicker

Assistant Chief of Fish Division, and Legislative Coordinator, Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife.  Explains hatchery methods.

464

Sen. Atkinson

Inquires how far into the life cycle the experiment has run.

470

Elicker

Describes the Cle Elum, Washington experimental hatchery plan.

TAPE 6, A

073

Sen. R. Beyer

Comments on his perspective that a hatchery fish is not inferior; any fish that makes it back to spawn is a superior fish, no matter where it came from.  Points out that the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW) policy statement is to manage a fishery, which means both fish and fisherman.  Expresses concern that fishermen have been removed from the equation.  Also recalls that in his district, ODFW studied three rivers, but the study was not complete enough to draw support of local people, who want to have an impact.  Illustrates that in northeastern Oregon, a tributary of the Walla Walla river was stocked with hatchery Chinook, which was inconsistent with the stated wild fish policy, because that river had not had any Chinook before.  Urges consistency if a basin by basin approach is used.

101

Bowles

Responds that these issues will be addressed in the new policy, and briefly answers the Senator’s concerns.

137

Sen. Fisher

Objects to the statement that wild fish are superior.  Draws comparison to wild wheat or oats.  Suggests that fish gene pools are no longer pure.  Expresses concern about money being spent to develop fish recovery programs, at the expense of homeowners and loggers.  Asks about fish being clubbed on the Rogue River.

195

Bowles

Offers to return to the Committee with information about fish being clubbed on the Rogue River.

202

Chair Messerle

Asks for later testimony regarding species and sub-species, and also how the Department will work within the Oregon Plan.

219

Stephen Kafoury

Representing American Fisheries Society, Oregon Chapter.  Introduces Dr. Hiram Li, professor at Oregon State University.  Explains mission of the American Fisheries Society, and offers to assist the legislature by bringing science to the decision-making process.  Presents written materials (EXHIBIT C).

262

Dr. Hiram Li

Professor, Oregon State University.  Testifies and reviews submitted material.  (EXHIBIT C).

305

Chair Messerle

Inquires about decrease in productivity and viability of progeny of wild fish spawning with hatchery fish.

320

Li

Expands on written materials, and describes hatchery operations.

366

Chair Messerle

Asks whether overstocking of streams is an issue.

377

Li

Describes results of overstocking.

404

Chair Messerle

Inquires about the difference between streams in Oregon and in Alaska.

420

Li

Elaborates.

440

Chair Messerle

Comments that habitat must be defined more closely.

TAPE 5, B

022

Sen. Shields

Asks for description of the interest of the American Fisheries Society in the process.

027

Kafoury

Describes mission to provide scientific information as a baseline for decisions of policy makers.

048

Chair Messerle

Closes informational meeting.  Opens Public Hearing for SB 62.

SB 62 - PUBLIC HEARING

055

Ken Rocco

Legislative Fiscal Office.  Presents overview of SB 62.  Refers to submitted materials (EXHIBIT D).

106

Rocco

Continues reviewing submitted material.

127

Chair Messerle

Asks whether the Department would pay interest on principal borrowed from the account, and if so, at what rate and to whom.

130

Rocco

Describes the interest-tracking accounting.

147

Chair Messerle

Reiterates question of where interest is to be paid back.

157

Rocco

Offers to clarify language.

155

Sen. Fisher

Suggests the interest rate should be the same as if the money were borrowed from the State Treasury.

160

Rocco

Acknowledges agreement.

162

Sen. Fisher

Asks how the Department will account for the hatchery maintenance fund.

176

Rocco

Refers to written material from agency’s budget document (EXHIBIT E).

182

Sen. Fisher

Inquires about future use and accounting.

185

Rocco

Responds and continues reviewing submitted material.

213

Chair Messerle

Requests that amendments be prepared.

221

Phil Donovan

Representing Northwest Sport Fishing Industry Association.  Testifies and refers to submitted material (EXHIBIT F).

265

Chair Messerle

Observes that the bill establishes how the fund will be managed.  Asks whether the bill should be amended.

269

Donovan

Responds in support of the bill.

280

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing.  Opens public hearing on SB 285.

SB 285 - PUBLIC HEARING

290

Judith Callens

Provides overview of SB 285.

303

John Beaulieu

State Geologist, Department of Geology and Mineral Industries (DOGAMI).  Introduces Don Christensen, Chair of the Governing Board.  Submits written material (EXHIBITS H, I).

310

Don Christensen

Chair, Governing Board, DOGAMI.  Testifies in favor of SB 285.

340

Beaulieu

Testifies in favor.  Describes Department’s increasing responsibilities.

360

Chair Messerle

Confirms that Department has provided increased input on development projects.  Asks whether the industry supports the bill.

370

Beaulieu

Confirms industry support.  Describes membership of Board, and requests opportunity for further discussion if membership of Board would be specified.

399

Sen. Burdick

Asks where members come from.

400

Beaulieu

Describes emphasis on geographic representation.

Tape 6, B

010

Sen. R. Beyer

Inquires why the Board’s workload is expanding.

012

Beaulieu

Explanation of issues being handled by Board, and services provided.

026

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about the role private industry plays in this arena.

036

Beaulieu

Describes projects, and private sector involvement.

055

Sen. R. Beyer

Expresses interest in learning from industry whether it wants an expanded board.

060

Chair Messerle

Mentions that there is a growing demand for information by many users.

070

Sen. Fisher

Observes his county has three commissioners, who accomplish their work.

078

Beaulieu

Describes agency’s efforts to gather comparative information about the size of other Boards.

094

Chair Messerle

Asks whether there would be an increased cost.

097

Beaulieu

Describes cost estimates.

114

Chair Messerle

Observes that with a three-member board, there may be trouble attaining a quorum.

118

Christensen

Confirms that no meetings have been cancelled for lack of quorum.  Raises issue of public meeting law restrictions.

131

Sen. Fisher

Expresses satisfaction with DOGAMI’s performance so far.

140

Rich Angstrom

Managing Director, Oregon Concrete and Aggregate Producers Association.  Testifies in support of bill.

177

Chair Messerle

Asks whether his organization supports the bill unanimously.

180

Angstrom

Expresses support of his industry.

186

Chair Messerle

Closes Public Hearing on SB 285.


 

189

Chair Messerle

Adjourns meeting at 9:40 a.m.

 

Submitted By,                        Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Patricia Nielsen,                        Judith Callens,

Committee Assistant                        Committee Administrator

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – Native Fish Conservation Policy, outline of testimony, Ed Bowles, 1 p

B – Native Fish Conservation Policy, written testimony, Ed Bowles, 4 pp

C – Managing Wild and Hatchery Fish in Oregon, Stephen Kafoury, 4 pp

D – SB 62, Financial Management Review of the Department of Fish and Wildlife, booklet, Joint Legislative Audit Committee, Ken Rocco, 44 pp

E – SB 62, ODFW Budget Page 289, Ken Rocco, 1 p

F – SB 62, Written testimony of Phil Donovan, 1 p

G – SB 62, Written testimony from Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, 1 p

H – SB 285, Written testimony from Oregon Department of Geology and Mineral Industries, John Beaulieu, 1 p

I – SB 285, Oregon Department of Geology and Mineral Industries, newsletter, 4 pp