SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, AGRICULTURE, SALMON AND WATER

 

 

February 21, 2001   Hearing Room B

8:00 AM Tapes  37 , 39

(Tape 38 not used)

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Sen. Ken Messerle, Chair

Sen. Frank Shields, Vice-Chair

Sen. Bill Fisher

Sen. Ginny Burdick

Sen. Jason Atkinson

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Ryan Deckert

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Judith Callens, Committee Administrator

Patricia Nielsen, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            SB 463 Work Session

SB 606 Public Hearing

Informational Meeting / Independent Multidisciplinary Science Team

      Annual Report, Dr. Logan Norris

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 37, A

005

Chair Messerle

Opens meeting at 8:05 a.m.

SB 463 – WORK SESSION

011

Judith Callens

Committee Administrator.  Presents bill and proposed action.

015

Vice-chair Shields

Asks whether this is an environmentally-related bill properly before this committee.

020

Callens

Explains.

025

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves SB 463 to the floor WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the committee on Business Labor and Economic Development.

025

 

VOTE:  5-0

EXCUSED:  2 - Burdick, Fisher

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

025

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 463. Opens public hearing on SB 606.

SB 606 – PUBLIC HEARING

027

Callens

Presents bill.

035

Tim Cremer

Introduces Tom Quintal.

040

Tom Quintal

Director of Government Affairs, Oregon Independent Miners (OIM).  Presents written testimony of John Holleman (EXHIBIT A).  Testifies in favor of bill.

125

John Lilly

Assistant Director, Division of State Lands (DSL).  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT C).  Testifies as neutral at this time.

210

Chair Messerle

Asks about the effect of deletions on page 5, line 8 of bill on future permits and current permits.

215

Lilly

Responds.

225

Chair Messerle

Inquires whether DSL would recommend that change.

230

Lilly

Expresses no position on the bill.

235

Sen. Deckert

Asks what the bill would do to water quality.

240

Lilly

Explains.

250

Sen. Deckert

Suggests it would have an adverse effect.

255

Lilly

Elaborates.

280

Vice-chair Shields

Asks whether there was a visible difference environmentally with the compliance increase from 7 percent to 83 percent.

290

Lilly

Responds.

310

Chair Messerle

Returns to earlier question and suggests that the intent of the sponsors of the bill was to simply remove sunset and allow the permits to stay in effect.

320

Jeannette Holman

Division of State Lands.  Responds.

350

Lilly

Responds further.

355

Holman

Elaborates.

370

Jim Neifert,

Oregon Parks and Recreation Department.  Testifies in opposition, and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT D).

450

Sen. Burdick

Asks for clarification of his position.

455

Neifert

Responds.

TAPE 39, A (Tape 38 not used – damaged)

025

Chair Messerle

Asks about compliance, and results of the reports from 1993 to 1999.

030

Neifert

Answers.

040

Chair Messerle

Asks for update to 1993 report and suggests the miners have been responsible in complying with permitting requirements.  Asks about specific problems with placer mines in scenic waterways.

045

Vice-chair Shields

Asks why DSL testimony made it a low priority to do the study again.

055

Neifert

Responds.

060

Vice-chair Shields

Asks for more information.

065

Chair Messerle

Asks for a copy of the 1993 report and update.

070

Sen. Fisher

Inquires whether dredging was helpful and actually improved streambeds.

075

Neifert

Offers to research.

080

Chair Messerle

Confirms that at time of Mt St Helens eruption, miners helped clean the streambeds.

090

Dick Springer

Sierra Club.  Testifies in opposition to bill and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT E).

110

Chair Messerle

Asks about research to show how any water disturbance is bad for salmon.

120

Springer

Offers to get background.

125

Sen. Burdick

Asks for confirmation whether it is true only 1 percent of Oregon waterways are designated scenic.

130

Springer

Responds.

135

Sen. Fisher

Comments that floods often make salmon runs better and asks what makes water disturbance damaging.

136

Springer

Answers.

140

Sen. Fisher

Observes some dredged areas have not seen reduction in salmon.

155

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on SB 606.  Opens informational meeting on the Independent Multidisciplinary Science Team (IMST).

INDEPENDENT MULTIDISCIPLINARY SCIENCE TEAM

170

Dr. Logan Norris

Chairman, Independent Multidisciplinary Science Team (IMST).  Presents 2000 report and slide presentation about IMST.  Submits written materials (EXHIBITS J, K).

260

Chair Messerle

Inquires how many members are on each subcommittee.

275

Norris

Responds and continues presentation.

TAPE 37, B

055

Chair Messerle

Observes that in the 2000 report it seems the team is concerned about follow-through of their recommendations and asks for comment.

065

Norris

Explains.

085

Chair Messerle

Asks whether the Oregon Department of Forestry (ODF) is unable to follow recommendations because it is undergoing a review process.

095

Norris

Agrees.

120

Chair Messerle

Acknowledges the need for scientific information and the danger of moving too fast.  Asks whether models are available and useful.

130

Norris

Responds.

140

Chair Messerle

Asks about escapement models and ocean condition models.

145

Norris

Elaborates.

150

Vice-chair Shields

Asks about the process whereby the team makes reports to agencies which agree or disagree with recommendations, and about frustration level of team members if agencies disagree or don’t follow those recommendations.

170

Norris

Explains.

205

Vice-chair Shields

Asks whether there is pressure on the team not to be independent.

210

Norris

Responds.


 

220

Vice-chair Shields

Inquires about consequences to the Oregon Plan if the team’s recommendations are rejected and whether that would trigger a reaction from the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA).

230

Norris

Elaborates.

270

Vice-chair Shields

Asks whether the subject of SB 606 permits for placer mining is an appropriate subject for IMST comment.

285

Norris

Responds.

295

Chair Messerle

Observes he has never felt committee had a sense of what the priorities are and wonders whether habitat is the best place to focus.

310

Norris

Answers.

320

Chair Messerle

Asks about length of terms of IMST team members and recommendations for changing them.

330

Norris

Explains.

380

Chair Messerle

Expresses appreciation of the efforts of the team.  Thanks Dr. Norris for his testimony.  Closes informational meeting.

385

Chair Messerle

Adjourns meeting at 9:38 a.m.

 

Submitted By,                        Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Patricia Nielsen,                        Judith Callens,

Committee Assistant                        Committee Administrator

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – SB 606, written testimony, John Holleman, 2 pp

B – SB 606, written testimony, Tim Cremer, 1 p

C – SB 606, written testimony, Division of State Lands, John Lilly, 1 p

D – SB 606, written testimony, Oregon Parks and Recreation Dept, Jim Neifert, 2 pp

E – SB 606, written testimony, Sierra Club, Richard Springer, 1 p

F – SB 606, Summary of Activities in the Removal-Fill Program for Waters of the State, 1997-1999 Biennium, booklet, Division of State Lands, John Lilly, 205 pp

G – SB 606, Summary of 1998 Observations of Recreational and Small Scale Placer Mining in Oregon’s Designated Essential Indigenous Anadromous Salmonid Streams and State Scenic Waterways, April 1999, booklet, Division of State Lands, John Lilly, 32 pp

H – SB 606, Summary of 1997 Observations of Recreational and Small Scale Placer Mining in Oregon’s Designated Essential Indigenous Anadromous Salmonid Streams and State Scenic Waterways, March 1998, booklet, Division of State Lands, John Lilly, 53 pp


I – SB 606, Summary of 1996 Observations of Recreational and Small Scale Placer Mining in Oregon’s Designated Essential Indigenous Anadromous Salmonid Streams and State Scenic Waterways, December 1996, booklet, Division of State Lands, John Lilly, 97 pp

J – Independent Multidisciplinary Science Team, Dr. Logan Norris, 1 p

K – Independent Multidisciplinary Science Team, Dr. Logan Norris, 5 pp