SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, AGRICULTURE, SALMON AND WATER

 

 

March 07, 2001   Hearing Room B

8:00 A.M.  Tapes 51 - 53

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Sen. Ken Messerle, Chair

Sen. Frank Shields, Vice-Chair

Sen. Jason Atkinson

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Ginny Burdick

Sen. Ryan Deckert

Sen. Bill Fisher

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Jennifer Solomon, Committee Administrator

Cheryl Young, Committee Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            SB 716 Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 51, A

006

Chair Messerle

Opens Meeting at 8:03 am.  Opens Public Hearing on SB 716

SB 716, Public Hearing

009

Staff

Summarizes SB 716.

027

Rod Harder

Executive Director of the Oregon Sportsmens Defense Fund. Summarizes the bill. Testifies in favor of this bill.   Submits written testimony.  (EXHIBITS A, B & C).

055

Rep. Wayne Krieger

State Representative.  Gives historical background on cougars. Speaks of two events that happened with the increase in the cougar and bear population. States that cougars have lost fear of humans. Speaks in favor of SB 716.

119

Rep. Greg Smith

States Representative of District 59. Speaks in favor of SB 716.  Relates an incident regarding cougars walking near the high school in Heppner.

150

Harder

Relates that Speaker Simmons extends his regrets to the committee, as he had a prior commitment, and extends his support for this bill.

161

Roy Elicker

Legislative Coordinator for ODFW. Speaks from prepared statement. Submits written testimony.  (EXHIBITS D & E).

198

Vic Coggins

District Wildlife Biologist from Enterprise. Describes slide presentation regarding the decrease in the elk population caused by cougars.

327

Sen. Deckert

Asks Mr. Elicker to clarify his graphs from exhibit.

310

Roy Elicker

Clarifies information regarding the graphs.

364

Sen. Deckert

Questions it effects to overall population.

367

Coggins

Responds.

385

Sen. Deckert

Asks for comments regarding the Ag & Forestry Act moving predators around.

393

Coggins

Responds to request.

403

Sen. Burdick

Asks what the barriers are toward hunting in the more settled areas, and has any thought been given to matching up the hunting population with the problem.

414

Coggins

Responds to questions.

427

Sen. Burdick

Rephrases question. Asks if there is some way to match the people who are getting these tags and direct them to where the biggest problem is.

433

Elicker

Responds to question.

462

Sen. Beyer

Asks what calf ratio is needed to maintain the herd.

467

Coggins

Responds to question.

480

Sen. Beyer

Asks how it is determined what the cougar quota should be in a specific area when you don’t know how many there are, and the effect they are having on the deer, elk and other species.

481

Elicker

Responds and describes how the quotas are set.

Tape 52, A

039

Sen. Beyer

Asks what the quotas are now as compared to 1994.

042

Elicker

Responds to question.

052

Sen. Beyer

Asks for clarification regarding quotas prior to 1994 with the number of tags issued for each area, and do today’s quotas reflect the same as the tag numbers pre- ‘94 or are they the same.

056

Coggins

Clarifies.

065

Sen. Beyer

Reflects on the fact that the black bear issue was not discussed.

071

Coggins

Briefly discusses the issue.

081

Sen. Beyer

Asks who harvests the cougar when there are damage complaints.

083

Coggins

Responds.

090

Sen. Beyer

Asks why the reduction of cougars in Mr. Coggins area has not been done yet, as stated in the ’99 budget note.

095

Elicker

States that federal money was needed to have a study regarding an environmental analysis.

107

Sen. Beyer

Asks who told them an environmental analysis was needed.

108

Elicker

States he is not sure but will get the committee that information.

113

Sen. Beyer

Asks if it was going to be Pitman-Robert Funds to help fund this study.

116

Elicker

Yes.

118

Sen. Beyer

States the purposes of the Pitman-Robert Funds and reads the regulations. Requests a response regarding the fact that the study seems to hit all four of the ideas listed in the regulations.

131

Elicker

States that he will prepare a detailed response for the committee.

134

Sen. Fisher

Referring to Mr. Elicker’s earlier testimony that they had 588 cougars which has increased to 14564, asks what was the allowed hunting and take when they were at 588.

142

Elicker

Responds they are the number of tags they currently sell.

150

Sen. Fisher

Asks what the population of cougars now.

154

Elicker

Gives and estimate and will provide exact numbers in a report to the committee.

162

Sen. Fisher

Comments that it is logically concluded that if you manifold more animals, you would manifold more opportunities for hunting and taking of those animals.  Comments on the reduction of elk.

172

Elicker

Responds.

185

Sen. Fisher

Asks if they would agree that there would be an increase in the sale of tags, with the increase in the take of a controlled situation.

192

Elicker

Yes, we do issue more tags now.

194

Sen. Fisher

States that it’s not on the same basis and expands on comments.

201

Elicker

Agrees with the statement.

202

Chair Messerle

Asks for clarification regarding the quota of how many cougar tags can be issued.

204

Elicker

Responds.

228

Amber Applegate

Citizen. Testifies in favor of SB 716. Submits photos. EXHIBIT F).

301

Dave Briggs

Citizen. Testifies in favor of this bill. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT G).

368

Jeff Mornarich

Citizen. Speaks in favor of bill. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT H).

427

Chris Solomon

Field Administrator for the Oregon Hunters Association. Speaks in favor of SB 716. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT I).

Tape 51, B

018

Sen. Fisher

Comments about the different terrain that this witness spoke about.

025

James Workman

Oregon Guides and Packers Association. Speaks of the economic effects this is having on his county. Speaks in favor of SB 716.

051

Sen. Deckert

Asks if there are any practices that we can do, other than over-turning two ballet measures.

054

Mornarich

Responds to question.

069

Zip Fendrich

Citizen. Testifies in favor of SB 716.

103

Cheryle York

Citizen. Speaks in favor of bill. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT J).

179

Duane Bernard

President, Safari Club International. Speaks strongly in favor of passing of SB 716.

232

Laurena Miller

Rancher and citizen. Speaks in support of SB 716. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT K).

264

Sen. Burdick

Asks what a guard llama is.

266

Miller

Responds.

279

Sen. Deckert

Asks why fencing doesn’t work well as a deterrent.

281

Miller

Responds.

297

Steve Phipps

Resident. Speaks in support of SB 716. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT L).

331

Sally Mackler

Resident. Speaks in opposition of this bill. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT M).

409

Steve Mathers

Oregon Guides and Packers. Speaks in favor of SB 716.

430

Mike Crawford

Citizen. Speaks in favor of this bill.

451

Dr. Sharon Methvin

Speaks in opposition to this bill. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT N).

476

Sen. Deckert

Asks for clarification regarding innovative techniques and habitat density.

482

Methvin

Responds.

Tape 52,B

035

Jerry Ray

Citizen. Testifies in support of bill. Submits written testimony.  (EXHIBIT O).

054

Jerald Myra

Citizen. Speaks in favor of bill. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT P).

081

Paul Katen

Citizen. Speaks in opposition of this bill.

104

Tim O’Leary

Citizen. Speaks in favor of bill.

144

Sen. Fisher

Makes comment regarding a bear and blackberry bushes.

149

Jerry Hatlon

Citizen. Speaks in favor of bill.

202

Susan Watkins

Citizen. Speaks in opposition of this bill.

243

Dave Walker

Citizen. Speaks in support of bill.

256

Dave Staigle

Citizen. Speaks in support of bill. Reads a letter. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT Q).

318

John Berggram

Representing Oregon Fur Takers.  Speaks in favor of this bill.

334

Emily Ahyou

Citizen. Speaks in opposition of this bill.

366

Deborah Shimkas

Citizen. Speaks in opposition of this bill.

409

Jacob Shimkas

Student at Westridge Elementary School. Speaks in opposition of this bill.

427

Jarod Broadfoot

Speaks in support of this bill.

468

Sen. Fisher

Comments about an attack on a man who had to use a shovel to beat off a cougar.

495

Kelly Peterson

Humane Society of the United States. Opposes SB 716.

Tape 53,A

042

William Montgomery

Citizen. Speaks in opposition of this bill.

066

David Wiley

Retired Forester. Speaks in support of SB 716.

092

Sen. Fisher

Refers to Humane Society lying in advertising used to support Measure 18, and ask why they should be believed now.

099

Wyatt Baker

Citizen. Speaks in favor of this bill.

104

Robert Botta

Citizen. Speaks in favor of this bill.

112

Kathryn Koehn

Citizen. Speaks in opposition of this bill.

153

Chair Messerle

Adds to record list of persons unable to testify, Jim Welsh, in favor; Rod Klawitter, in favor; Terry Clearwater, in favor.  Asks for witnesses to Submits written testimony. (EXHIBITS R – W). Meeting adjourned at 10:08 a.m.

 

Submitted By,                        Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Cheryl Young,                        Jennifer Solomon,

Committee Assistant                        Administrator

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – SB 716, written testimony, Rod Harder, 1p.

B – SB 716, written testimony, Rod Harder for James & Brenda Sealund 3pp.  

C – SB 716, written testimony, Rod Harder, 2pp.

D – SB 716, written testimony, Roy Elicker, 2pp.

E – SB 716, written testimony, Roy Elicker, 14pp.

F – SB 716, written testimony, Amber Applegate, 1p.

G – SB 716, written testimony, David Briggs, 1p.

H – SB 716, written testimony, Jeff Mornarich, 2pp.

I – SB 716, written testimony, Chris Solomon, 2pp.

J – SB 716, written testimony, Cheryle York, 4pp.

K – SB 716, written testimony,  Laurena Miller, 2pp.

L – SB 716, written testimony, Steve Phipps, 8pp.

M – SB 716, written testimony, Sally Mackler, 6pp.

N – SB 716, written testimony, Dr. Sharon Methvin, 1p.

O – SB 716, written testimony, Jerry Ray, 1p.

P – SB 716, written testimony, Jerald Myra, 2pp.

Q – SB 716, written testimony, Linda Lawrence, 1p.

R – SB 716, written testimony, Rod Klawitter, 4pp.

S – SB 716, written testimony, Susan Watkins, 35pp.

T – SB 716, written testimony, Susan Watkins, 1p.

U – SB 716, written testimony, Jim Soares, 2pp.

V – SB 716, written testimony, Susan Koger, 1p.

W – SB 716, submitted by Chair Messerle, list of witnesses unable to testify 1p.

X – SB 716, list of individuals in favor of bill who did not wish to testify, 2pp.

Y – SB 716, written testimony, Stephen Otto, 1 p.

Z – SB 716, written testimony, Catherine Koehn, 1p.

AA- SB 716, written testimony,  William Montgomery, 1p.