SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, AGRICULTURE, SALMON AND WATER

 

 

March 16, 2001   Hearing Room B

8:00 AM Tapes  61 - 62

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Sen. Ken Messerle, Chair

Sen. Frank Shields, Vice-Chair

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Ginny Burdick

Sen. Ryan Deckert

Sen. Bill Fisher

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:     Sen. Jason Atkinson

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Jennifer Solomon, Committee Administrator

Cheryl Young, Committee Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            Informational Meeting: Report on National Fire Plan

                                                SB 517, Work Session

                                                SB 310, Public Hearing and Possible Work Session

                                                HB 2177, Public Hearing and Possible Work Session

                                                SB 867, Public Hearing

                       

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 61, A

005

Chair Messerle

Opens meeting at 8:03 a.m.  Opens Informational Meeting. Sub-Committee.

013

Cary Greenwood

Public Affairs Director, Oregon Department of Forestry. Gives a brief overview and introduces members of her group.

023

Chair Messerle

Gavels in Full Committee.

043

Tom Schmidt

Forest Supervisor, USFS. Displays Power Point program. Discusses the National Fire Plan and the Governor’s. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBITS A & B).

262

Sen. Fisher

Asks question regarding unutilized resources.

268

Schmidt

Responds to question.

279

Chair Messerle

Asks about fuel load in eastern Oregon and how far along are we in solving that problem.

284

Schmidt

Responds to questions.

305

Chair Messerle

Asks when the funds are going to be available, as he hopes that some of the equipment and projects will be available this summer.

311

Hannon

Responds and clarifies.

360

Chair Messerle

Asks Ms Greenwood for a list of members of the team.

370

Sen. R. Beyer

When talking about money for fuels, are you going to subsidize mills or private contractors to get these fuels out of the forest? Asks if there is a plan.

381

Schmidt

Discusses steps that can be used.

392

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks if the money is strictly to lay out for timber sales that are never going to be sold because no one can afford to go in and operate at a loss to harvest and deliver a product, or is it money that is going to subsidize these efforts.

403

Schmidt

Responds to question

412

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks how this is going to work on the ground. Relates a story. Asks if the Forest Service is going to go out and BLM go out and actively manage fires so they aren’t allowed to burn onto state protected or private land, or is it going to be talked about, but nothing happens.

436

Schmidt

Responds to question.

445

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks if they are going to actively try and control fires on federal lands so they don’t get onto private lands.

449

Schmidt

Responds that that has been their goal.

457

Sen. Atkinson

Talks about the flood of 1997. Asks how many roads have been fixed, (from the flood), and if there is cataloging of roads to be maintained or written off relating to NW Fire Plan.

480

Schmidt

Responds to questions.

Tape 62, A

026

Sen. Atkinson

Asks if there is a catalog that they can have listing those roads. Asks about specific roads in the Applegate region.

044

Sen. Burdick

Asks about building on forest lands, and is there any way of getting involved in opening more forest land to home development, educating people about the impact.

060

Lanny Quackenbush

Program Director, Oregon Department of Forestry.  Responds to issues.

109

Sen. Burdick

Asks what the policies are in a situation of having a viable stand of timber and a house nearby, and what choices are made in that kind of situation.

116

Quackenbush

Responds to question.

139

Sen. Burdick

Comments about patchwork of homes throughout a forest area.

141

Quackenbush

Responds.

150

Chair Messerle

Comments that it’s the responsibility of the home and landowner to do what they can to protect their own property.

156

Quackenbush

Expands on comment.

159

Sen. Shields

Asks what these kinds of decisions do to their budget.

168

Quackenbush

Responds to question and the impact these choices make.

176

Schmidt

Adds comments regarding study.

184

Quackenbush

Makes additional comments.

199

Schmidt

Makes additional comments regarding monies the federal agencies gave the state.

210

Chair Messerle

Closes informational meeting. Opens Work Session on SB 517.

220

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves to SUSPEND the rules for the purpose of to Reconsider the vote on SB 517.

224

 

VOTE:  5-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  2 - Sen. Atkinson, Sen. Fisher

 

Chair

The motion CARRIES.

235

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves to RECONSIDER the vote by which we moved the SB 517 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

239

Sen. R. Beyer

Speaks to the motion stating that the bill was passed out on a split vote, and probably not worth it at this time to get in a fight over shellfish licensing, so it needs to be brought back.

245

 

VOTE:  5-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  2 - Sen. Atkinson, Sen. Fisher

 

Chair

The motion CARRIES.

251

Chair Messerle

Closes Work Session on SB 517. Opens Public Hearing on SB 310.

PUBLIC HEARING, SB 310

254

Staff

Summarizes SB 310

264

Chuck Craig

Deputy Director, Department of Agriculture. Speaks of SB 310, referring to the –1 and –2 amendments, and proposes the bill be moved forward without the amendments.

319

Sen. Burdick

Notes that this reduces the circumstances under which you have to put labels on feed. Asks if this applies to feed in which animals parts are used.

325

Richard Teneyck

Feed Specialist, Department of Agriculture. Responds.

333

Sen. Burdick

Asks if this will allow some feed with animal parts in it to go out without a label that said it had animal parts in it.

335

Teneyck

No, and expands on answer.

346

Sen. Burdick

If it had animal parts in it, then it would have to have a label on it stating animal parts of any kind, stating don't feed to ruminants.

360

Teneyck

Responds that there are some exemptions.

363

Sen. Burdick

States that she has some concerns regarding animal parts, and asks how anyone can tell that feed is free of any animal parts if there is no labeling on it.

375

Teneyck

Clarifies and states that the formula is always on hand at the mill.

394

Sen. Burdick

Asks what the purpose of this is.

402

Craig

Responds to question.

428

Chair Messerle

Asks Mr. Craig if he sees this as loosening the requirements for allowing someone to contaminate the feed.  States that it is still illegal to put animal parts in feed supply.

436

Craig

Replies.

437

Sen. R. Beyer

States that they are keeping same terminology in sections of the bill. Asks that by rule, could you say that if there are poultry parts in animal feed, that it just has to be listed on the label of the bag that there are poultry parts, and you don’t have to list the parts.

457

Teneyck

Responds.

479

Chair Messerle

Closes Public Hearing on SB 310.  Opens Work Session on SB 310

SB 310, WORK SESSION

483

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves SB 310 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

285

 

In a roll call vote

AYE: Sen. R. Beyer, Sen. Burdick, Sen. Deckert, Chair Messlerle

EXCUSED:  2 - Sen. Atkinson, Sen. Fisher

 

Chair

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. SHEILDS will lead discussion on the floor.

 

 

Closes Work Session on SB 310. Opens Public Hearing on HB 2177-A.

Tape 61, B

036

Staff

Summarizes HB 2177-A.

046

Col. Mike Caldwell

Deputy Director of Oregon Military Department.  Asks for this legislation to be adopted.

072

Chair Messerle

Asks if he needs more time on this bill to do more research.

077

Caldwell

Responds.

00

Chair Messerle

States that the amendments came from a House member to answer a specific situation where a constituent was in the military overseas and had been paying state income tax during that service, and felt they were qualified.

085

Caldwell

Clarifies for committee.

106

Grattan Kerans

Director for Government Relations for Oregon University System. Endorses the bill as printed.

166

Chair Messerle

Asks for clarification regarding the –A2’s.

168

Kerans

Clarifies for the committee.

177

Sen. Shields

Regarding the change that they file state income tax no later than 12 months before leaving active duty asks what the difference is between this and the current situation.

181

Caldwell

Responds and clarifies.

205

Sen. Shields

Asks for clarification regarding the 12-month period of them paying at least one years' state income tax, before they get any benefits.

208

Caldwell

Responds.

225

Sen. Shields

Asks how we compare to other states doing this.

230

Caldwell

Responds.


 

240

Chair Messerle

Asks if it is true that anyone from out of state can live in Oregon for a year and claim residence for higher education.

242

Kerans

Responds regarding establishing residency.

279

Chair Messerle

Asks if there is a distinction with this amendment that they don’t have to join the Guard.

280

Caldwell

Responds.

300

Kerans

Concurs with Col. Caldwell.

308

Chair Messerle

Closes Public Hearing on HB 2177-A. Opens work session on HB 2177.

314

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves HB  2177-A2 amendments to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

320

Chair Messerle

Committee discusses various aspects of this bill before final voting.

403

Chair Messerle

Asks Col. Caldwell to clarify the differences between HB 2882 and HB 2177.

405

Caldwell

Clarifies for the committee.

 

 

VOTE:  5-1

AYE:            5 – Sen. Atkinson, Sen. R. Beyer, Sen. Deckert, Sen. Shields, Sen. Messerle

NAY:            1 – Sen. Burdick

EXCUSED:  1 – Sen. Fisher

 

Chair

The motion Carries.

468

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves HB 2177A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

470

 

VOTE:  6-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  1 – Sen. Fisher

 

Chair

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. SHIELDS will lead discussion on the floor.

480

Chair Messerle

Closes Work Session on HB 2177A. Opens Public Hearing on SB 867.

486

Staff

Summarizes SB 867.

Tape 62, B

024

Ken Bauer

Washington County Surveyor.  Testifies in support of SB 867.Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT C).

105

Rob Ezell

Licensed Land Surveyor. Testifies in support of SB 867.  Submits written testimony.  (EXHIBIT D).

149

Matthew Moritz

Representing the Professional Land Surveyors of Oregon. Speaks in opposition of SB 867.

153

Tyler Parsons

Representing the Professional Land Surveyor of Oregon. Speaks in opposition of SB 867.

171

Chair Messerle

Asks if the Board of Directors made this decision, or have they taken a vote from the membership.

177

Parsons

Responds to questions.

179

Sen. Shields

Asks what the problem is between the two factions.

181

Parsons

Responds

187

Sen. Shields

Asks if the bill allows them to do that in a way they cannot do now.

190

Parsons

Responds and clarifies.

197

Chair

Asks if they would be in favor of amendments, or offer any amendments themselves to clarify this.

202

Parson

States they would have to go back to the board.

210

Ezell

Clarifies their issues. Make possible amendment offer.

232

Bauer

Comments regarding questions.

270

Sen. Fisher

Asks about accuracy of the GPS equipment.

271

Ezell

Responds.

309

Chair Messerle

Asks them to work it out among themselves. Closes Public Hearing on SB 867. Closes meeting. 9:45.

           

Submitted By,                        Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Cheryl Young,                        Jennifer Solomon,

Committee Assistant                        Administrator

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – Informational Meeting, National Fire Plan, written testimony, Tom Schmidt, 12pp.

B - Informational Meeting, National Fire Plan, written testimony, Tom Schmidt, 2pp.

C – SB 867, large map, Ken Bauer, 1p.

D – SB 867, written testimony, Robert Ezell, 1pp.