SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, AGRICULTURE, SALMON AND WATER

March 16, 2001 Hearing Room B

8:00 AM Tapes 61 - 62

MEMBERS PRESENT: Sen. Ken Messerle, Chair

Sen. Frank Shields, Vice-Chair

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Ginny Burdick

Sen. Ryan Deckert

Sen. Bill Fisher

MEMBER EXCUSED: Sen. Jason Atkinson

STAFF PRESENT: Jennifer Solomon, Committee Administrator

Cheryl Young, Committee Assistant

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD: Informational Meeting: Report on National Fire Plan

SB 517, Work Session

SB 310, Public Hearing and Possible Work Session

HB 2177, Public Hearing and Possible Work Session

SB 867, Public Hearing

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

TAPE/#	Speaker	Comments
TAPE 61, A
005	Chair Messerle	Opens meeting at 8:03 a.m. Opens Informational Meeting. Sub-Committee.
013	Cary Greenwood	Public Affairs Director, Oregon Department of Forestry. Gives a brief overview and introduces members of her group.
023	Chair Messerle	Gavels in Full Committee.
043	Tom Schmidt	Forest Supervisor, USFS. Displays Power Point program. Discusses the National Fire Plan and the Governor’s. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBITS A & B).
262	Sen. Fisher	Asks question regarding unutilized resources.
268	Schmidt	Responds to question.
279	Chair Messerle	Asks about fuel load in eastern Oregon and how far along are we in solving that problem.
284	Schmidt	Responds to questions.
305	Chair Messerle	Asks when the funds are going to be available, as he hopes that some of the equipment and projects will be available this summer.
311	Hannon	Responds and clarifies.
360	Chair Messerle	Asks Ms Greenwood for a list of members of the team.
370	Sen. R. Beyer	When talking about money for fuels, are you going to subsidize mills or private contractors to get these fuels out of the forest? Asks if there is a plan.
381	Schmidt	Discusses steps that can be used.
392	Sen. R. Beyer	Asks if the money is strictly to lay out for timber sales that are never going to be sold because no one can afford to go in and operate at a loss to harvest and deliver a product, or is it money that is going to subsidize these efforts.
403	Schmidt	Responds to question
412	Sen. R. Beyer	Asks how this is going to work on the ground. Relates a story. Asks if the Forest Service is going to go out and BLM go out and actively manage fires so they aren’t allowed to burn onto state protected or private land, or is it going to be talked about, but nothing happens.
436	Schmidt	Responds to question.
445	Sen. R. Beyer	Asks if they are going to actively try and control fires on federal lands so they don’t get onto private lands.
449	Schmidt	Responds that that has been their goal.
457	Sen. Atkinson	Talks about the flood of 1997. Asks how many roads have been fixed, (from the flood), and if there is cataloging of roads to be maintained or written off relating to NW Fire Plan.
480	Schmidt	Responds to questions.
Tape 62, A
026	Sen. Atkinson	Asks if there is a catalog that they can have listing those roads. Asks about specific roads in the Applegate region.
044	Sen. Burdick	Asks about building on forest lands, and is there any way of getting involved in opening more forest land to home development, educating people about the impact.
060	Lanny Quackenbush	Program Director, Oregon Department of Forestry. Responds to issues.
109	Sen. Burdick	Asks what the policies are in a situation of having a viable stand of timber and a house nearby, and what choices are made in that kind of situation.
116	Quackenbush	Responds to question.
139	Sen. Burdick	Comments about patchwork of homes throughout a forest area.
141	Quackenbush	Responds.
150	Chair Messerle	Comments that it’s the responsibility of the home and landowner to do what they can to protect their own property.
156	Quackenbush	Expands on comment.
159	Sen. Shields	Asks what these kinds of decisions do to their budget.
168	Quackenbush	Responds to question and the impact these choices make.
176	Schmidt	Adds comments regarding study.
184	Quackenbush	Makes additional comments.
199	Schmidt	Makes additional comments regarding monies the federal agencies gave the state.
210	Chair Messerle	Closes informational meeting. Opens Work Session on SB 517.
220	Sen. R. Beyer	MOTION: Moves to SUSPEND the rules for the purpose of to Reconsider the vote on SB 517.
224		VOTE: 5-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 2 - Sen. Atkinson, Sen. Fisher
	Chair	The motion CARRIES.
235	Sen. R. Beyer	MOTION: Moves to RECONSIDER the vote by which we moved the SB 517 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.
239	Sen. R. Beyer	Speaks to the motion stating that the bill was passed out on a split vote, and probably not worth it at this time to get in a fight over shellfish licensing, so it needs to be brought back.
245		VOTE: 5-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 2 - Sen. Atkinson, Sen. Fisher
	Chair	The motion CARRIES.
251	Chair Messerle	Closes Work Session on SB 517. Opens Public Hearing on SB 310.
PUBLIC HEARING, SB 310
254	Staff	Summarizes SB 310
264	Chuck Craig	Deputy Director, Department of Agriculture. Speaks of SB 310, referring to the –1 and –2 amendments, and proposes the bill be moved forward without the amendments.
319	Sen. Burdick	Notes that this reduces the circumstances under which you have to put labels on feed. Asks if this applies to feed in which animals parts are used.
325	Richard Teneyck	Feed Specialist, Department of Agriculture. Responds.
333	Sen. Burdick	Asks if this will allow some feed with animal parts in it to go out without a label that said it had animal parts in it.
335	Teneyck	No, and expands on answer.
346	Sen. Burdick	If it had animal parts in it, then it would have to have a label on it stating animal parts of any kind, stating don't feed to ruminants.
360	Teneyck	Responds that there are some exemptions.
363	Sen. Burdick	States that she has some concerns regarding animal parts, and asks how anyone can tell that feed is free of any animal parts if there is no labeling on it.
375	Teneyck	Clarifies and states that the formula is always on hand at the mill.
394	Sen. Burdick	Asks what the purpose of this is.
402	Craig	Responds to question.
428	Chair Messerle	Asks Mr. Craig if he sees this as loosening the requirements for allowing someone to contaminate the feed. States that it is still illegal to put animal parts in feed supply.
436	Craig	Replies.
437	Sen. R. Beyer	States that they are keeping same terminology in sections of the bill. Asks that by rule, could you say that if there are poultry parts in animal feed, that it just has to be listed on the label of the bag that there are poultry parts, and you don’t have to list the parts.
457	Teneyck	Responds.
479	Chair Messerle	Closes Public Hearing on SB 310. Opens Work Session on SB 310
SB 310, WORK SESSION
483	Sen. R. Beyer	MOTION: Moves SB 310 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.
285		In a roll call vote AYE: Sen. R. Beyer, Sen. Burdick, Sen. Deckert, Chair Messlerle EXCUSED: 2 - Sen. Atkinson, Sen. Fisher
	Chair	The motion CARRIES. SEN. SHEILDS will lead discussion on the floor.
		Closes Work Session on SB 310. Opens Public Hearing on HB 2177-A.
Tape 61, B
036	Staff	Summarizes HB 2177-A.
046	Col. Mike Caldwell	Deputy Director of Oregon Military Department. Asks for this legislation to be adopted.
072	Chair Messerle	Asks if he needs more time on this bill to do more research.
077	Caldwell	Responds.
00	Chair Messerle	States that the amendments came from a House member to answer a specific situation where a constituent was in the military overseas and had been paying state income tax during that service, and felt they were qualified.
085	Caldwell	Clarifies for committee.
106	Grattan Kerans	Director for Government Relations for Oregon University System. Endorses the bill as printed.
166	Chair Messerle	Asks for clarification regarding the –A2’s.
168	Kerans	Clarifies for the committee.
177	Sen. Shields	Regarding the change that they file state income tax no later than 12 months before leaving active duty asks what the difference is between this and the current situation.
181	Caldwell	Responds and clarifies.
205	Sen. Shields	Asks for clarification regarding the 12-month period of them paying at least one years' state income tax, before they get any benefits.
208	Caldwell	Responds.
225	Sen. Shields	Asks how we compare to other states doing this.
230	Caldwell	Responds.

240	Chair Messerle	Asks if it is true that anyone from out of state can live in Oregon for a year and claim residence for higher education.
242	Kerans	Responds regarding establishing residency.
279	Chair Messerle	Asks if there is a distinction with this amendment that they don’t have to join the Guard.
280	Caldwell	Responds.
300	Kerans	Concurs with Col. Caldwell.
308	Chair Messerle	Closes Public Hearing on HB 2177-A. Opens work session on HB 2177.
314	Sen. Fisher	MOTION: Moves HB 2177-A2 amendments to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.
320	Chair Messerle	Committee discusses various aspects of this bill before final voting.
403	Chair Messerle	Asks Col. Caldwell to clarify the differences between HB 2882 and HB 2177.
405	Caldwell	Clarifies for the committee.
		VOTE: 5-1 AYE: 5 – Sen. Atkinson, Sen. R. Beyer, Sen. Deckert, Sen. Shields, Sen. Messerle NAY: 1 – Sen. Burdick EXCUSED: 1 – Sen. Fisher
	Chair	The motion Carries.
468	Sen. R. Beyer	MOTION: Moves HB 2177A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.
470		VOTE: 6-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 – Sen. Fisher
	Chair	The motion CARRIES. SEN. SHIELDS will lead discussion on the floor.
480	Chair Messerle	Closes Work Session on HB 2177A. Opens Public Hearing on SB 867.
486	Staff	Summarizes SB 867.
Tape 62, B
024	Ken Bauer	Washington County Surveyor. Testifies in support of SB 867.Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT C).
105	Rob Ezell	Licensed Land Surveyor. Testifies in support of SB 867. Submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT D).
149	Matthew Moritz	Representing the Professional Land Surveyors of Oregon. Speaks in opposition of SB 867.
153	Tyler Parsons	Representing the Professional Land Surveyor of Oregon. Speaks in opposition of SB 867.
171	Chair Messerle	Asks if the Board of Directors made this decision, or have they taken a vote from the membership.
177	Parsons	Responds to questions.
179	Sen. Shields	Asks what the problem is between the two factions.
181	Parsons	Responds
187	Sen. Shields	Asks if the bill allows them to do that in a way they cannot do now.
190	Parsons	Responds and clarifies.
197	Chair	Asks if they would be in favor of amendments, or offer any amendments themselves to clarify this.
202	Parson	States they would have to go back to the board.
210	Ezell	Clarifies their issues. Make possible amendment offer.
232	Bauer	Comments regarding questions.
270	Sen. Fisher	Asks about accuracy of the GPS equipment.
271	Ezell	Responds.
309	Chair Messerle	Asks them to work it out among themselves. Closes Public Hearing on SB 867. Closes meeting. 9:45.

Submitted By, Reviewed By,

Cheryl Young, Jennifer Solomon,

Committee Assistant Administrator

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

A – Informational Meeting, National Fire Plan, written testimony, Tom Schmidt, 12pp.

B - Informational Meeting, National Fire Plan, written testimony, Tom Schmidt, 2pp.

C – SB 867, large map, Ken Bauer, 1p.

D – SB 867, written testimony, Robert Ezell, 1pp.