SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, AGRICULTURE, SALMON AND WATER

 

 

March 21, 2001   Hearing Room B

8:00 AM Tapes  65 - 66

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Sen. Ken Messerle, Chair

Sen. Frank Shields, Vice-Chair

Sen. Bill Fisher

Sen. Ginny Burdick

Sen. Jason Atkinson

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Ryan Deckert

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Judith Callens, Committee Administrator

Patricia Nielsen, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            SB 710 – Work Session

SB 319 – Work Session

SB 271 – Public Hearing

SB 845 – Public Hearing and Work Session

SB 518 – Public Hearing

HB 2457 – Work Session

HB 2601 - Public Hearing and Work Session

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 65, A

004

Chair Messerle

Opens the meeting at 8:10 a.m. Opens work session on SB 710.

SB 710 – WORK SESSION

010

Judith Callens

Committee Administrator.  Presents bill and dash–1 amendments.

031

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 710-1 amendments dated 3/9/01.

 

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Burdick

033

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

035

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves SB  710 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

036

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.  A motion is made later in the meeting to suspend the rules to allow Sen. Burdick to cast her AYE vote.

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. ATKINSON will lead discussion on the floor.

041

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 710.  Opens work session on SB 319.

SB 319 – WORK SESSION

043

Callens

Presents bill and dash–1 amendments.

065

Sen. Fisher

Discourages deactivation or decommissioning of any hydro projects.

070

Chair Messerle

Expresses his understanding that this allows them to be part of the process.

074

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 319-1 amendments dated 3/12/01.

075

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Burdick

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

078

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves SB 319 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

081

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.  A motion is made later in the meeting to suspend the rules to allow Sen. Burdick to cast her AYE vote.

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. DECKERT will lead discussion on the floor.

086

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 319.  Opens public hearing on SB 271.

SB 271 – PUBLIC HEARING

089

Callens

Presents bill and dash–3 amendments.

115

Sen. Joan Dukes

District 1.  Testifies in favor of SB 271.

142

Sen. Fisher

Asks about difference between someone working in a processing plant and a commercial or sport fisherman.

147

Sen. Dukes

Explains.

156

Sen. Fisher

Asks if this refers only to someone holding an office.

157

Sen. Dukes

Replies and clarifies.

172

Sen. Fisher

Asks for a distinction between someone within the organization and someone who is an officer.

175

Sen. Dukes

Responds.

179

Sen. Fisher

Comments some lay people are very political.

185

Sen. Dukes

States that those organizations exist in part for a political end.

191

Jim Myron

Oregon Trout.  Testifies in favor of SB 271 with the dash–3 amendments.

203

Sen. Fisher

Asks if this applies to all commission members.

208

Myron

Replies.

210

Sen. Dukes

Explains there is a specific section to deal with this.

214

Sen. Fisher

Asks what becomes of the compensation.

222

Callens

Clarifies issue.

229

Sen. R. Beyer

Recommends revision of section 4, to get people from all interest groups on the commission.


 

251

Chair Messerle

Asks if Sen. Dukes would be interested in working with a group moving a house bill.

255

Sen. Dukes

Responds.

269

Sen. Burdick

Asks how this will affect the bigger bill.  Suggests it would send a message about priorities.

281

Chair Messerle

Reiterates one of the needs of the commission is to have people who know how to serve on boards.

297

Sen. Fisher

Asks if this applies only to fish or to other organizations as well.

327

Chair Messerle

Agrees.

331

Callens

Describes current prohibition.

342

Sen. Fisher

Suggests doing away with all provisions unless all organization officers are included. 

353

Phil Donovan

Representing Northwest Sportfishing Industry Association.  Testifies in opposition to SB 271and offers dash–1 amendments. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT A). 

391

Sen. Burdick

Asks for Sen. Dukes’ opinion.

392

Sen. Dukes

Replies.

430

Sen. Fisher

Comments about excessive restrictions. 

453

Chair Messerle

Notes that Sen. Dukes has raised some good points to be considered.

461

Sen. Dukes

Recommends against adding the extra amendment.

472

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing SB 271. Opens public hearing SB 845.

SB 845 – PUBLIC HEARING

479

Callens

Presents bill.

TAPE 66, A

035

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks if there is a conflict with the fiscal impact.

039

Callens

Clarifies.

050

Onno Husing

Director of the Oregon Coastal Zoning Management Association. Asks the Chair to invite Sen. Dukes and Liz Hamilton of the Coastal Salmon Restoration Task Force to join him at the podium.

066

Sen. Dukes

Testifies in favor of SB 845.  Speaks about coastal hatcheries and sport fishing.

142

Sen. Fisher

Asks about location of Nonpariel Dam.

158

Kay Brown

Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW).  Offers to find out.

164

Husing

Responds. 

185

Brown

Explains further.  Testifies in support and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT B). 

214

Sen. Fisher

Asks how this hatchery is funded.

217

Brown

Replies. 


 

225

Sen. Fisher

States he wants to go on record that he regrets they can’t agree on the needs of the current hatcheries, but to go ahead and ask for money to do other projects at other hatcheries.  Governor’s budget should speak to all projects.

239

Sen. Dukes

Describes Coastal Hatchery Improvement Program (CHIP) and funding.

270

Sen. Fisher

Recommends evaluating the hatchery problem as a whole.

289

Chair Messerle

Agrees, but also commends the task force for its work.

300

Sen. Fisher

Suggests it be done through ODFW Commission, as a whole approach.

309

Liz Hamilton

Executive Director, NW Sport Fishing Industry Association.  Testifies in support.

344

Sen. Fisher

Expresses concern over hatcheries being dropped out of the program.

354

Jim Myron

Oregon Trout.  Testifies in support of SB 845. 

379

Husing

Describes the wide range of people supporting this bill.  Testifies in favor, and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT C).

424

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing SB 845.  Opens work session on SB 845.

SB 845 – WORK SESSION

430

Vice-chair Shields

MOTION:  Moves SB 845 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation, and be referred to Ways and Means.

434

 

VOTE:  6-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Burdick

440

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

446

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 845.  Opens public hearing on SB 518.

SB 518 – PUBLIC HEARING

448

Callens

Presents bill, dash–1amendments and dash–3 amendments.

TAPE 65, B

030

Sen. Fisher

Asks if they are doing away with provision for grandfathering.

032

Sen. R. Beyer

Describes.

040

Sen. Fisher

Asks where the dash–3 amendments came from.

043

Sen. R. Beyer

Responds.

052

Sen. Fisher

Asks why anyone outside Oregon is treated differently.

056

Sen. R. Beyer

Describes other states’ requirements for hunter education.  Recommends improved and increased hunter education throughout Oregon.

064

Sen. Fisher

States that he is one who would be affected.

076

Sen. R. Beyer

Responds.

082

Chair Messerle

Notes that the bill will not move out today, because they just received the proposed amendments today.

087

Roy Elicker

Legislative coordinator, ODFW.  Asks to look at amendment and return with updated information.

099

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing SB 518.  Opens work session on HB 2457.

HB 2457 – WORK SESSION

104

Callens

Presents bill and dash-1 amendments.

116

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2457-1 amendments dated 3/7/01.

116

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 – Vice-chair Shields

121

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

122

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves HB 2457 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

124

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.  A motion was made later in the meeting to suspend the rules to allow Vice-chair Shields to record his AYE vote.

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. BURDICK will lead discussion on the floor.

128

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 2457.  Opens public hearing on HB 2601.

HB 2601 – PUBLIC HEARING

131

Callens

Presents bill and dash–1 amendments.

148

Kay Brown

ODFW.  Testifies in support of HB 2601and submits written testimony. (EXHIBIT D).

167

Sen. Fisher

Asks if there is more than one tag available per fishermen.

170

Brown

Replies.

173

Jim Myron

Oregon Trout.  Testifies in support of HB 2601.

182

Donovan

Testifies in favor of bill and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT E).

214

Steve Grutbo

President, NW Sportfishing Industry Association.  Testifies in support of HB 2601.

234

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks why a separate tag is required before purchase of a hatchery harvest tag.

242

Donovan

Responds.

254

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks why people need to buy one tag before buying the other tag.

256

Hamilton

Clarifies further.

267

Sen. Fisher

Asks about limits.

276

Donovan

Responds.

290

Sen. Fisher

Asks what the actual cost is.

283

Hamilton

Lists fees.

291

Sen. Fisher

Asks if there are any other costs.

297

Donovan

Specifies additional charges.

305

Sen. Fisher

Asks about total fees.

305

Donovan

Responds.

306

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks if there is a limit per day.

311

Donovan

Explains.

312

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks why.

317

Donovan

Explains.

339

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about timing of rule changes.

349

Chair Messerle

States desire to encourage the commission to be proactive.

351

Hamilton

Describes financial impacts. 

416

Bob Martyn

Testifies in opposition to HB 2601.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT F).

TAPE 66, B

010

Martyn

Continues testimony.

118

Chair Messerle

Recalls Mr. Donovan, to respond.

127

Donovan

Responds to Mr. Martyn’s points regarding crowding and the change of salmon limits.

175

Chair Messerle

Asks who Mr. Martyn represents.

176

Martyn

Explains.

178

Vice-chair Shields

Asks whom he has talked to.

181

Martyn

Responds.

190

Vice-chair Shields

Asks for ideas how to get more people into the sport.

202

Martyn

Responds.

229

Donovan

Responds further.

258

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing HB 2601.  Opens work session on HB 2601.

HB 2601 – WORK SESSION

261

Sen. Deckert

MOTION:  Moves HB 2601 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

264

Sen. R. Beyer

Comments bill is not broad enough.

286

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. DECKERT will lead discussion on the floor.

292

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 2601.  Reopens work session on HB 2457 to allow Sen. Shields to cast his vote.

HB 2457 – WORK SESSION

303

Sen. Messerle

MOTION:  Requests unanimous consent that the rules be SUSPENDED to allow VICE-CHAIR SHIELDS to BE RECORDED as voting AYE on Sen. Atkinson’s MOTION:  Moves HB 2457 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

304

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

305

Vice-chair Shields

Casts his AYE vote.

307

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 2457.  Asks for motion to reopen work session SB 710 and SB 319.

317

Vice Chair Shields

Moves to reopen work sessions on SB 710 and SB 319, to allow Sen. Burdick to cast her votes.

320

Chair Messerle

No objection, motion carries.  Reopens work session on SB 710.

SB 710 – WORK SESSION

322

Sen. Messerle

MOTION:  Requests unanimous consent that the rules be SUSPENDED to allow SEN. BURDICK to BE RECORDED as voting AYE on Sen. Atkinson’s MOTION:  Moves SB 710 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

323

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

324

Sen. Burdick

Casts her AYE vote.

326

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 710.  Opens work session on SB 319.

SB 319 – WORK SESSION

327

Sen. Messerle

MOTION:  Requests unanimous consent that the rules be SUSPENDED to allow SEN. BURDICK to BE RECORDED as voting AYE on Sen. Atkinson’s MOTION:  Moves SB 319 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

327

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

328

Sen. Burdick

Casts her AYE vote.

329

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 319.  Adjourns meeting at 9:54 a.m.

 

Submitted By,                        Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Patricia Nielsen,                        Judith Callens,

Committee Assistant                        Committee Administrator

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – SB 271, written testimony, Phil Donovan, NW Sportfishing Industry Association, 8 pp

B – SB 845, written testimony, Kay Brown, Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, 1 p

C – SB 845, written testimony, Onno Husing, Coastal Salmon Restoration and Production Task Force, 9 pp

D – HB 2601, written testimony, Kay Brown, Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, 1 p

E – HB 2601, written testimony, Phil Donovan, NW Sportfishing Industry Association, 1 p

F – HB 2601, written testimony, Bob Martyn, 3 pp