SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, AGRICULTURE, SALMON AND WATER

 

 

March 30, 2001   Hearing Room B

8:00 am Tapes  73 - 74

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Sen. Ken Messerle, Chair

Sen. Frank Shields, Vice-Chair

Sen. Bill Fisher

Sen. Ginny Burdick

Sen. Jason Atkinson

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Ryan Deckert

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Judith Callens, Committee Administrator

Patricia Nielsen, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            SB 50 – WORK SESSION

SB 518 – WORK SESSION

SB 895 – PUBLIC HEARING

SB 606 – PUBLIC HEARING

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 73, A

005

Chair Messerle

Opens meeting at 8:08 a.m.

SB 50 – WORK SESSION

007

Judith Callens

Committee Administrator.  Presents bill and dash–2 amendments.

032

Dave White

Department of Administrative Services (DAS), Administrator of Facilities Division.  Gives update and discusses the 6-30-02 deadline.

053

Chair Messerle

Asks for update on facilities here and in Portland.

055

White

Responds.

063

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about fiscal.

066

Callens

Responds.

077

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks whether fiscal erroneously says it directs the Oregon Parks and Recreation Department to promptly relocate its office.  Asks if that should be Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW).  Asks about vacation buyouts for employees.

086

Judi James

Legislative Fiscal office.  Responds and clarifies. 

097

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about the contingency fee.

099

James

Explains.

103

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about value of current building.

106

James

Responds.

107

White

Adds additional comments regarding the appraisals.

112

Chair Messerle

Asks about the costs of the move and fiscal.

114

James

Responds.

117

Vice-chair Shields

Describes his tour of building and problems noted.

133

White

Explains.

153

Vice-chair Shields

Asks what the prior assessment was.

154

White

Responds.

165

Vice-chair Shields

Notes that if ODFW makes more, DAS get less.

167

White

Replies.

171

Vice-chair Shields

Notes that he called a commercial realtor and got a formula to assess value.  That person came up with $7.9 million.  Asks if that would be a starting point from which to subtract the work needed.

187

White

Responds.

203

Vice-chair Shields

Asks about the value of the parking spaces.

204

White

Describes.

208

Vice-chair Shields

Indicates the commercial realtor said each parking space is worth $250 to $275 per month which adds another $438,000 to the value of building.

216

White

Describes other parking and costs. 

247

Vice-chair Shields

Asks if the Parks Reservation Center would remain, and if the mainframe for hunting licenses would also remain in the building.

255

White

Responds.

270

Sen. Fisher

Asks about the costs of employees not transferring.  Inquires as to the $10,000 costs for recruitment.

275

James

Discusses.

281

Sen. Fisher

Asks about soft costs.

282

James

Responds.

297

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks if DAS has considered leasing space and moving some employees to other areas, such as rural communities.

320

White

Answers.

343

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks if it is time to start looking for other places to move agencies, including ODFW.

351

White

Responds.

392

Sen. R. Beyer

Comments that he feels this is the time to be looking at moving jobs out of this core to other areas of the state, relieving many problems along the I-5 corridor.

411

Chair Messerle

Comments that this bill brings ODFW here temporarily for two years, while deciding where to put them.

417

White

Affirms.

425

Chair Messerle

Adjourns work session on SB 50.  Notes that Legislative Counsel will bring amendments shortly.  Opens work session on SB 518.

SB 518 – WORK SESSION

435

Callens

Presents bill and dash–3 amendments.

457

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about the fiscal impact.  The intent of the dash–3 amendment was to remove all fiscal impact.  Asks that it not move forward at this time. Also asks that the committee ask ODFW to consider requiring hunters to have hunter safety for licenses.  Suggests that ODFW bring back a proposal in the interim or to the next session of the Legislature.

497

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 518.  Opens public hearing on SB 895.

TAPE 74, A

SB 895 – PUBLIC HEARING

027

Callens

Presents SB 895 and dash–1 amendments. 

098

Larry Cooper

ODFW.  Testifies in favor of the bill and the dash-1 amendments. Submits written material (EXHIBIT A).

124

Chair Messerle

Asks if he has seen the comments from legislative counsel.

130

Keith Leavitt

Port of Portland.  Testifies in favor of bill and dash–1 amendments.  Submits written material (EXHIBIT B). 

146

Mark Sytsma

Portland State University.  Testifies in favor of the bill.

259

Chair Messerle

Asks if we are moving toward treating the ballast water instead of simply exchanging it.

263

Sytsma

Responds.

280

Leavitt

Describes amendments.

334

Chair Messerle

Asks Mr. Leavitt to work with Legislative Counsel to address concerns, so he can bring this back to work session as soon as possible.

347

Ken Armstrong

Oregon Ports Group. Testifies in support of bill.

357

Chair Messerle

Asks him to also work with the Port of Portland.

360

Eric Kastner

Columbia River Steamship Association.  Testifies in support of bill. 

382

Terry Thompson

Former Representative.  Testifies in support of bill but raises concerns.

431

Chair Messerle

Asks if work group can overcome the concerns.

432

Thompson

Affirms.

435

Sen. Fisher

Asks how the ballast is exchanged.

444

Kastner

Describes.

TAPE 73, B

025

Sen. Deckert

Asks how the law is enforced.

026

Kastner

Describes enforcement.

050

Jim Myron

Oregon Trout.  Testifies in support of bill and the dash–1 amendments.

055

Robin Hartmann

Oregon Shores Conservation Coalition.  Testifies in support and submits written material (EXHIBIT C).

105

Chair Messerle

Urges parties to work on the amendments.  Closes public hearing on SB 895.  Reopens work session on SB 50.

SB 50 – WORK SESSION

110

Callens

Presents the dash–3 amendments.

116

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 50-3 amendments dated 3/30/01.

 

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

119

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves SB 50 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation, and be referred to the WAYS AND MEANS committee.

125

Vice-chair Shields

Expresses concerns.

146

Sen. Burdick

Advises she will oppose because she doesn’t know where the money will come from.

161

Chair Messerle

Notes that when it was drafted, he spoke with the Governor’s staff and got a positive response. 

169

VOTE

VOTE:  4-3

AYE:               4 – Atkinson, Beyer R, Fisher, Messerle

NAY:               3 – Burdick, Deckert, Shields

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

177

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 50.  Opens public hearing on SB 606.

SB 606 – PUBLIC HEARING

178

Callens

Presents bill with impacts.

203

John Lilly

Assistant Director, Division of State Lands (DSL).  Testifies and notes that they have monitored these projects.

217

Chair Messerle

Asks if they have found any negative impacts.

220

Lilly

Responds to issue.

238

Jim Neifert

Oregon Parks and Recreation.  Testifies in favor.  Supports DSL.  Submits written material (EXHIBIT D).

260

Chair Messerle

Enters letter into record (EXHIBIT E).

266

Vice-chair Shields

Asks if there is any opposition.

268

Neifert

Describes environmental concerns.

285

Sen. Atkinson

Asks why it is called recreational.

275

Lilly

Explains.

316

Sen. Atkinson

Asks what he will learn after the report is made.

319

Lilly

Responds.

329

Sen. Atkinson

Raises concerns on placer mining in surrounding states and doesn’t want to see these abuses in Oregon.

430

Lilly

Responds to Sen. Atkinson’s concerns.

477

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about the requirement of filling holes outside the main channel. 

Tape 74, B

032

Lilly

Responds and explains.

052

Chair Messerle

Notes that he has been dealing with this situation since 1997 and is impressed with how the miners have tried to make it work.

062

Tom Quintal

Director of Government Affairs, Oregon Independent Miners.  Reads testimony of Tim Cremer. Testifies in favor of the bill. Submits written material.  (EXHIBIT F).

164

Sen. Deckert

Asks if there is any further documentation regarding fish habitat.

171

Quintal

Responds, and submits report on suction dredging.  Submits written material (EXHIBIT G).

182

Richard Springer

Sierra Club.  Testifies in opposition.  Submits scientific report from Xerces society (EXHIBIT H).

251

Chair Messerle

Asks if he agrees that they have made tremendous progress from the dates that were earlier mentioned by DSL.

260

Springer

Responds.

272

Chair Messerle

Asks if he is referring to Oregon.

273

Springer

Responds.

277

Sen. Burdick

Asks if it is true that scenic waterways are only 1% of the waterways in the state.

282

Springer

Responds.

298

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks Springer to share his scientific documents.

300

Springer

Responds.

304

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on SB 606.  Advises he will bring this back at a later date for work session.  Announces that SB 792 is postponed until April 9.

313

Chair Messerle

Adjourns meeting at 9:52 a.m.

 

Submitted By,                        Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Patricia Nielsen,                        Judith Callens,

Committee Assistant                        Committee Administrator

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – SB 895, written testimony, Larry Cooper, Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, 1 p

B – SB 895, written testimony, Keith Leavitt, Port of Portland, 2 pp

C – SB 895, written testimony, Robin Hartmann, Oregon Shores Conservation Coalition, 2 pp

D – SB 606, written testimony, Jim Neifert, Oregon Parks and Recreation Department, 1 p

E – SB 606, written testimony, Michael Carrier, Parks and Recreation Department, 1 p

F – SB 606, written testimony, Tom Quintal, Oregon Independent Miners, 1 p

G – SB 606, written report, Tom Quintal, Oregon Independent Miners, 6 pp

H – SB 606, written testimony, Richard Springer, 4 pp