SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, AGRICULTURE, SALMON AND WATER

 

 

April 20, 2001 Hearing Room B

8:00 AM Tapes  102 - 105

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Sen. Ken Messerle, Chair

Sen. Frank Shields, Vice-Chair

Sen. Bill Fisher

Sen. Ginny Burdick

Sen. Jason Atkinson

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Ryan Deckert

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Judith Callens, Committee Administrator

Patricia Nielsen, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            SB 724 –Work Session

SB 579 – Work Session

SB 644 – Public Hearing

SB 869 – Public Hearing

SB 870 – Public Hearing

SB 172 – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 2051 A – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 2165 – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 2224 – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 2967 – Public Hearing and Work Session

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 102, A

005

Chair Messerle

Opens meeting at 8:10 a.m.

010

Chair Messerle

Opens work session on SB 724.

SB 724 – WORK SESSION

015

Jennifer Solomon

 Committee Administrator.  Presents bill and dash-3 amendments.

020

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 724-3 amendments dated 4/18/01.

025

Vice-chair Shields

Asks whether the dash-3 amendments remove the objections of the Department of Land Conservation and Development (DLCD) and 1000 Friends of Oregon.

030

Sen. Atkinson

Responds.

035

Sen. Deckert

Asks about medical hardship permit.

040

Sen. Atkinson

Responds.

045

 

VOTE:  6-0

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

050

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves SB 724 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

052

 

VOTE:  6-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  1 - Burdick

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

Sen. ATKINSON will lead discussion on the floor.

055

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 724.  Opens work session on SB 579.

SB 579 – WORK SESSION

060

Judith Callens

Committee Administrator.  Presents bill and dash–2 amendments.  Discusses fiscal and revenue impact.

065

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 579-2 amendments dated 4/18/01.

065

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Burdick

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

080

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves SB 579 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

085

 

VOTE:  6-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Burdick

090

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. R. BEYER will lead discussion on the floor.

095

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 579.  Opens public hearing on SB 869.

SB 869 – PUBLIC HEARING

105

Callens

Advises staff is awaiting documents.

110

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on SB 869.  Opens public hearing on SB 644.

SB 644 – PUBLIC HEARING

110

Callens

Presents bill and dash-2 amendments. 

130

Scott Ashcom

Oregon Association of Nurserymen (OAN).  Testifies in favor of bill, dash-1 amendments, dash-2 amendments, and dash-3 amendments.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT A).

185

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks whether the dash-3 amendments cover all the proposed changes.

190

Martha Pagel

Representing OAN.  Testifies in favor of SB 644 and amendments.

200

Sen. Atkinson

Asks about effect on Klamath area.

205

Pagel

Explains.

210

Paul Cleary

Water Resources Department (WRD).  Testifies in support of the dash-3 amendments.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT B).

215

Sen. Burdick

Asks for a response to Sen. Atkinson’s question about impact on Klamath basin.

220

Cleary

Answers.

230

Vice-chair Shields

Asks about water right transfers.

235

Cleary

Responds.

240

Glen Stonebrink

Oregon Cattlemen’s Association.  Testifies in support, but raises concerns about moving water rights from agricultural to non-agricultural uses.

265

Cleary

Explains effect on transfers.

270

Sen. R. Beyer

Comments there is no intent to take agricultural water for municipalities.

280

Catherine Koehn

Testifies regarding groundwater.

355

Karen Russell

WaterWatch of Oregon.  Testifies in opposition to bill and dash–2 amendments.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT C).

400

Vice-chair Shields

Asks if dash–3 amendment addresses her concerns.

405

Russell

Answers.

410

Vice-chair Shields

Expresses concern with public comment process.

420

Pete Test

Oregon Farm Bureau.  Testifies in support of bill with the dash 1, dash-2 and dash–3 amendments.  Need all 3 amendments.

TAPE 103, A

010

Sen. Deckert

Asks about enforcement of water use by WRD.

020

Test

Responds.

070

Richard Kosesan

Water For Life.  Testifies in regard to dash–2 amendments and raises concerns.

090

Chair Messerle

Asks Sen. R. Beyer whether the dash-3 amendments cover the concerns which have been expressed.

095

Sen. R. Beyer

Describes.

100

Cleary

Testifies in response to earlier issues.

120

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on SB 644.  Advises he will bring it back later.  Opens public hearing on SB 869 and SB 870.

SB 869 and SB 870 – PUBLIC HEARING

140

Callens

Presents SB 869 bill and dash–2 amendments, which replace original bill.  Describes impacts.  Presents SB 870 and dash–2 amendments.

225

Willie Tiffany

League of Oregon Cities.  Testifies in support of 869 and 870 and proposed amendments.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT D).

240

Cleary

Testifies in support of 869 and dash–2 amendments. 

260

Tom Byler

WRD.  Testifies in favor of SB 869 and dash–2 amendments.  Testifies in favor of SB 870.

305

Test

Testifies in favor of 870 and dash–2 amendments.

340

Russell

Testifies in favor of 869 and 870 as amended.

380

Chair Messerle

Enters into record 2 letters received from city of Pendleton and 2 letters from Umatilla reservation in support of both bills.

390

Chair Messerle

Adjourns public hearing on SB 869 and SB 870.  Opens public hearing on SB 172.

SB 172 – PUBLIC HEARING

400

Callens

Presents bill and dash–3 amendments.

TAPE 102, B

005

Callens

Continues.

025

Louise Solliday

Governor’s office.  Testifies in support of bill and the dash-3 amendments.

070

Chair Messerle

Asks about discussions with EPA about funding.

075

Solliday

Responds.

077

Chair Messerle

Asks what additional staff will be needed.

080

Solliday

Describes additional workload.

085

Eric Metz

Division of State Lands (DSL).  Testifies in support of bill.

105

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about interaction between federal and Oregon Endangered Species Act (ESA).

110

Metz

Explains.

115

Sen. Burdick

Asks about civil lawsuits under the federal Clean Water Act (CWA).

120

Solliday

Responds.

125

Rich Angstrom

Oregon Concrete and Aggregate Producers Association (OCAPA), Healthy Streams Partnership.  Testifies in support of bill and dash-3 amendments.  Provides written material (EXHIBIT H).

225

Chair Messerle

Asks if the 50-cubic yard exemption is given up.

230

Angstrom

Explains.

262

Sen. Deckert

Asks whether anyone from environmental area was in the work group.

265

Angstrom

Describes.

280

Sen. Deckert

Asks why the work group didn’t include anyone from environmental groups.

285

Angstrom

Answers.

300

Sen. Deckert

Asks about protection of isolated wetlands and the ability of the public to object.

310

Solliday

Responds.

320

Metz

Explains further about state-regulated isolated wetlands. 

330

Sen. Deckert

Asks what assurance there is that later the state would still have the commitment in SB 172 to protect wetlands.

350

Metz

Responds.

355

Solliday

Explains further.

360

Angstrom

Responds further.

370

Metz

Responds further regarding whether wetland protection is weakened.

400

Vice-chair Shields

Asks about previous testimony, and inadequacy of response to the EPA letter (EXHIBIT H).

TAPE 103, B

010

Metz

Responds and describes attorney general’s opinion.

020

Solliday

Responds further.

030

Angstrom

Responds.

050

Vice-chair Shields

Asks about weakening federal protections.

055

Angstrom

Explains.

070

Vice-chair Shields

Asks for input from the environmental groups present.

080

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about 1997 bill.

082

Angstrom

Describes.

085

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks what happened to the bill in 1997.

090

Angstrom

Explains it was withdrawn because of a federal court case.

092

Sen. R. Beyer

Inquires about language in section 9 of amendments.

095

Metz

Explains intent.

130

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about section 10 land use siting.

135

Metz

Describes.

145

Jim Myron

Oregon Trout.  Testifies in support of SB 172 as amended by dash-3 amendments.  Raises concern whether the state can afford to take over the program.

160

Stonebrink

Testifies in support as amended by dash–3.  Raises concerns.  Opposes Mr. Keravan’s amendments.

215

Test

Testifies in support of bill with the dash–3 amendments.

240

Chair Messerle

Comments the bill is simply authorizing the Department to find out how to assume the program.

250

Dick Springer

Sierra Club.  Refers to Lyn Mattei testimony of Wednesday, April 18.  Testifies that citizens of Oregon will lose substantive and procedural rights if bill passes in its current form.

310

Chair Messerle

Comments that his local watershed council has encountered barriers on permitting.

320

Vice-chair Shields

Recommends that environmental groups should be involved in the negotiation when it goes forward.

330

Springer

Responds and raises concerns.

360

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on SB 172.  Opens work session on SB 172.

SB 172 – WORK SESSION

365

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 172-3 amendments dated 4/18/01.

368

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 - Sen. Deckert

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

370

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves SB 172 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

370

Vice-chair Shields

Expresses concerns about the ongoing process and involvement by all interested parties.

375

Sen. Burdick

Expresses her concerns.  Advises she will watch it as it moves along.

410

Sen. Atkinson

Comments he will oppose the bill today.

TAPE 104, A

010

Sen. R. Beyer

Comments his support does not mean carte blanche for future action. 

015

Chair Messerle

Comments the next legislature will look carefully at the progress made.

020

Callens

Clarifies the legislature needs to approve the grant of authority.

030

Vice-chair Shields

Comments the approval is like a sunset, because legislative approval is required.

035

 

VOTE:  6-1

AYE:               6 - Beyer R, Burdick, Deckert, Fisher, Shields, Messerle

NAY:               1 – Atkinson

A motion  is made later in the meeting to allow Senator Deckert to cast his AYE vote.

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

MESSERLE will lead discussion on the floor. 

040

 

Closes work session on SB 172.  Opens public hearing on HB 2051 A.

HB 2051A – PUBLIC HEAING

045

Solomon

Presents bill. 

055

Chair Messerle

Notes no witnesses have appeared to testify.  Closes public hearing on HB 2051 A.  Opens work session on HB 2051 A.

HB 2051 A – WORK SESSION

060

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2051A-13 amendments dated 4/11/01.

060

 

VOTE:  5-0

EXCUSED:  2 - Sen. Atkinson, Sen. Deckert

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

065

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves HB 2051A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

070

Sen. R. Beyer

Declares potential conflict of interest, because he is a Christmas tree grower and a beef producer.

080

Solomon

Reviews dash–13 amendments.

105

 

VOTE:  5-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  2 - Sen. Atkinson, Sen. Deckert

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. R. BEYER will lead discussion on the floor.

120

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 2051A.  Opens public hearing on HB 2165.

HB 2165 – PUBLIC HEARING

125

Solomon

Presents bill.

130

Ray Craig

Oregon Department of Forestry (ODF).  Testifies in favor of bill.  Provides written testimony (EXHIBIT I). 

175

Vice-chair Shields

Asks how the state forestry program compares with what federal agencies are doing in federal forests.  Asks about differences in management.

190

Craig

Responds and explains.

205

Vice-chair Shields

Asks for more information on state forests.

220

Craig

Elaborates. 

225

Vice-chair Shields

Asks about location and size of state forests.

230

Craig

Describes origin, location and size of state forests.

260

Vice-chair Shields

Asks about size of federal land holdings.

265

Craig

Responds.

275

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 2165.  Open work session on HB 2165.

HB 2165 – WORK SESSION

280

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves HB 2165 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

285

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.  A motion is made later to allow Sen. Burdick to record her AYE vote.

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

Sen. SHIELDS will lead discussion on the floor.

290

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 2165.  Opens public hearing on HB 2224.

HB 2224 – PUBLIC HEARING

295

Solomon

Presents bill. 

300

Roy Elicker

Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW).  Testifies in favor, and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT J).

330

Sen. Fisher

Asks about difference between preserves for hunting game birds and for hunting game animals.

340

Elicker

Responds.

350

Catherine Koehn

Testifies in opposition. 

380

Sen. Fisher

Comments that deer are not included within language of this bill.

390

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 2224. Opens work session on HB 2224.

HB 2224 – WORK SESSION

395

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves HB 2224 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

398

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

400

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. ATKINSON will lead discussion on the floor.

405

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 2224.  Reopens work session on HB 2165.

HB 2165 - WORK SESSION

405

Sen. Burdick

MOTION:  Requests unanimous consent that the rules be SUSPENDED to allow SEN. BURDICK to BE RECORDED as voting AYE on Sen. Atkinson’s previous motion to move HB 2165 to the floor with a do-pass recommendation.

410

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

412

Sen. Burdick

Casts her AYE vote.

415

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 2165.  Reopens work session on SB 172.

SB 172 – WORK SESSION

420

Sen. Messerle

MOTION:  Requests unanimous consent that the rules be SUSPENDED to allow SEN. DECKERT to BE RECORDED as voting AYE on Sen. R. Beyer’s previous motion to move SB 172 to the floor with a do-pass as amended recommendation.

 

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

425

Sen. Deckert

Casts his AYE vote.

430

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 172.  Opens public hearing on HB 2967.

HB 2967 – PUBLIC HEARING

435

Solomon

Presents bill, dash-1, dash-2, and dash-3 amendments.

TAPE 105, A

030

Elicker

Testifies in support of bill with dash–3 amendments only.  Provides written testimony (EXHIBIT K).

050

Sen. Fisher

Asks how structure is defined.

055

Rod Harder

Appearing at request of Chair of House Water and Environment Committee. Explains language.  Testifies in favor of bill.

080

Sen. Fisher

Discussion of what structures might be included.

115

Harder

Elaborates.

120

Chair Messerle

Describes types of structures intended to be included.

125

Harder

Elaborates testimony about cougar damage.  Supports dash–3 amendments.

150

Sen. Deckert

Asks about bears. 

155

Harder

Refers to testimony for SB 716 regarding bear damage.  Describes house hearings and testimony.

170

Sen. Fisher

Describes bear experience.

185

Elicker

Describes complaints received by ODFW.

190

Koehn

Testifies in opposition to bill.

235

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 2967.  Opens work session on HB 2967.

HB 2967 – WORK SESSION

235

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2967-3 amendments dated 4/4/01.

240

Chair Messerle

VOTE:  5-1

AYE:               5 - Atkinson, Beyer R, Deckert, Fisher, Messerle

NAY:               1 – Burdick

EXCUSED:     1 – Shields

245

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

250

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves HB 2967 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.


 

255

Chair Messerle

VOTE:  5-1

AYE:               5 - Atkinson, Beyer R, Deckert, Fisher, Messerle

NAY:               1 – Burdick

EXCUSED:     1 – Shields

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

R. BEYER will lead discussion on the floor.

260

Chair Messerle

Closes the work session on HB 2967.

262

Chair Messerle

Adjourns meeting at 10:48 a.m.

 

Submitted By,                        Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Patricia Nielsen,                        Judith Callens,

Committee Assistant                        Committee Administrator

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – SB 644, written testimony, Martha Pagel, Oregon Association of Nurserymen, 6 pp

B – SB 644, written testimony, Paul Cleary, Water Resources Department, 3 pp

C – SB 644, written testimony, Karen Russell, WaterWatch of Oregon, 3 pp

D – SB 869, SB 870, written testimony, Robert Ramig, City of Pendleton, 5 pp

E - SB 869, SB 870, written testimony, Peter Wells, City of Pendleton, 1 p

F - SB 869, written testimony, Antone Minthorn, Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Indian reservation, 2 pp

G – SB 870, written testimony, Antone Minthorn, Confederated Tribes of the Umatilla Indian reservation, 1 p

H – SB 172, EPA letter of 5-29-96, Rich Angstrom, Health Streams Partnership and Oregon Concrete  and Aggregate Producers Association (OCAPA), 2 pp

I – HB 2165, written testimony, Ray Craig, Oregon Department of Forestry, 2 pp

J – HB 2224, written testimony, Roy Elicker, Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, 1 p

K – HB 2967, written testimony, Roy Elicker, Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife, 1 p

L – HB 2967, written testimony, Michelle Blake, 1 p