SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, AGRICULTURE, SALMON AND WATER

 

 

May 14, 2001 Hearing Room B

8:00 AM Tapes  119 - 121

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Sen. Ken Messerle, Chair

Sen. Frank Shields, Vice-Chair

Sen. Bill Fisher

Sen. Ginny Burdick

Sen. Jason Atkinson

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Ryan Deckert

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Judith Callens, Committee Administrator

Patricia Nielsen, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            HB 2698 A – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 2181 A – Public Hearing and Work Session

SB 470 – Work Session

HB 2967 B – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 2978 A – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 3147 A – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 3363 A –Work Session

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 119, A

005

Chair Messerle

Opens meeting at 8:09 a.m.  Opens public hearing on HB 2698 A.

HB 2698 A – PUBLIC HEARING

010

Judith Callens

Committee Administrator.  Presents bill.

020

Dave Barrows

Chemical Waste Management of the Northwest, Inc.  Testifies in favor of bill.

040

Chair Messerle

Asks whether there is a site in Washington state.

041

Barrows

Responds.

045

Lauri Aunan

Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ).  Testifies in favor.

047

Vice-chair Shields

Asks about cost of waste stream items.

048

Barrows

Responds.

050

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 2698 A.  Opens work session on           HB 2698 A.


 

HB 2698 A – WORK SESSION

055

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves HB 2698A to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

060

 

VOTE:  5-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  2 – Burdick, Deckert

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

VICE-CHAIR SHIELDS will lead discussion on the floor.

075

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 2698 A.  Opens public hearing HB 2181 A.

HB 2181 A – PUBLIC HEARING

080

Callens

Presents bill and dash-A2 amendments (EXHIBIT AA).

100

Chuck Craig

Oregon Department of Agriculture (ODA).  Testifies in favor and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT A).

125

Dan Hilburn

Administrator, Plant Division, ODA.  Testifies in favor of bill.

185

Roy Elicker

Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW).  Testifies in favor and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT B).

190

Sen. Atkinson

Asks why this is needed.

195

Hilburn

Explains.

200

Sen. Atkinson

Asks about future activities of commission, particularly screening.

205

Hilburn

Responds.

215

Craig

Responds to Sen. Atkinson’s question.

230

Stephen Kafoury

American Fisheries Society (AFS).  Testifies as neutral and submits written testimony of Denny Lassuy (EXHIBIT C).

275

Glen Stonebrink

Oregon Cattlemen’s Association.  Testifies and raises concerns about defining invasive species.

301

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 2181 A.  Opens work session on           HB 2181 A.

HB 2181 A – WORK SESSION

305

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB  2181A-2 amendments dated 5/11/01.

310

 

VOTE:  5-0

EXCUSED:  2 -  R. Beyer, Burdick

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

315

Sen. Atkinson

Asks whether the measure must go to Ways and Means.

317

Callens

Responds.

320

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves HB 2181A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

325

 

VOTE:  5-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  2 - R. Beyer, Burdick

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. MESSERLE will lead discussion on the floor.

330

 

Closes work session on HB 2181 A.  Opens work session on SB 470.

SB 470 – WORK SESSION

335

Callens

Presents bill and dash-9 amendments (EXHIBIT BB).

375

Sen. Atkinson

Commends Eric Carlson and staff for working toward consensus.

380

Vice-chair Shields

Also commends Eric Carlson.  Expresses surprise at fiscal because seems high.

405

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 470-9 amendments dated 5/9/01.

410

 

VOTE:  7-0

EXCUSED:  2 - R. Beyer, Deckert

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

405

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves SB 470 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

430

Sen. Burdick

Comments about her no vote.

435

Vice-chair Shields

Advises the term church is deliberately not defined in the bill.  Intent is that the term includes synagogue, mosque and other places of public worship.

440

Sen. Atkinson

VOTE:  5-1

AYE:               5 - Atkinson, Beyer R, Fisher, Shields, Messerle

NAY:               1 – Burdick

EXCUSED:     1 - Deckert

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. ATKINSON AND SEN. SHIELDS will lead discussion on the floor.

TAPE 120, A

005

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 470.  Opens public hearing on HB 2967 B.

HB 2967 B – PUBLIC HEARING

010

Callens

Presents bill and dash-A7 amendments (EXHIBIT CC).

035

Elicker

Testifies in favor.

060

John Thiebes

District Wildlife Biologist, Watershed Manager for Jackson, Josephine and Curry counties.  Testifies in favor of bill.

095

Sally Mackler

Sierra Club, Humane Oregon.  Testifies in opposition and submits written material (EXHIBIT F).

135

Sen. Burdick

Asks about cases where bears have been shot during reported described incidents, and whether there have been any prosecutions.

140

Thiebes

Responds.

145

Sen. Burdick

Asks why bears are in the bill.

150

Thiebes

Responds and explains.

160

Sen. Atkinson

Asks if ODFW tries to move problem bears.

165

Thiebes

Answers.

175

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 2967 B.  Opens work session on           HB 2967 B.

HB 2967 B - WORK SESSION

180

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2967B-7 amendments dated 5/9/01.

200

Vice-chair Shields

Comments about the consensus process, and Governor’s approval.

225

Chair Messerle

Comments describing the parties to the work group.

230

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

235

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves HB 2967B to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

240

Sen. Burdick

Comments that bears should not be included.

245

Vice-chair Shields

Comments about bear population, and intent to provide guidelines for ODFW.

250

 

VOTE:  6-1

AYE:               6 - Atkinson, Beyer R, Deckert, Fisher, Shields, Messerle

NAY:               1 - Burdick

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. MESSERLE will lead discussion on the floor.

255

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 2967 B.  Opens public hearing on           HB 2978 A.

HB 2978 A – PUBLIC HEARING

260

Callens

Presents bill, dash-A4 amendments, dash-A5 amendments, and dash-A6 amendments (EXHIBITS DD, EE, FF).  Notes that HB 2458 will affect dash-A5 amendments and has passed house and senate.

315

Aunan

Testifies in support of bill with the dash-A4 amendments only. Submits written materials (EXHIBIT H).

355

Chair Messerle

Asks if DEQ has a position on dash-A5 amendments.

357

Aunan

Declines to speak to them.

365

Rep. Jan Lee

District 10.  Testifies in favor of bill and dash-A5 amendments.

385

B.J. Smith

Government Relations Director, Clackamas County.  Testifies in favor of bill and dash-A5 amendments.  Describes HB 2458 as background.

400

Smith

Continues.

TAPE 119, B

010

Smith

Continues.

035

Mike Jordan

Clackamas County Commissioner.  Testifies in favor of bill and dash-A5 amendments.

065

John Chandler

Oregon Building Industries Association.  Testifies in favor of bill and dash-A6 amendments.  No objection to dash-A4 and dash-A5 amendments.

105

Vice-chair Shields

Comments about the effects of the dash-A4 and dash-A5 amendments.  Asks whether the bill has the right relating clause for these amendments, and whether there will be a problem with the single subject rule.

115

Chandler

Defers to Legislative Counsel.

120

Sen. Fisher

States he asked the question to legislative counsel about the dash-A4 amendments.

130

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 2978 A.  Opens work session hearing on HB 2978 A.

HB 2978 A – WORK SESSION

135

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2978A-4 amendments dated 5/4/01.

140

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 – Deckert

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

145

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2978A-5 amendments dated 5/8/01.

150

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 – Deckert

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

155

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2978A-6 amendments dated 5/10/01.

160

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 – Deckert

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

165

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves HB 2978A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

170

Vice-chair Shields

Asks if there is any input from 1000 Friends of Oregon.

180

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. FISHER will lead discussion on the floor.

185

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 2978 A.  Opens public hearing on           HB 3147 A.

HB 3147 A – PUBLIC HEARING

195

Callens

Presents bill and dash-A2 amendments (EXHIBIT I).  Presents conceptual amendment introduced by Sen. Messerle.

220

Elicker

Testifies in favor and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT J).

265

Thiebes

Testifies in favor of bill.

285

Paul Phillips

Oregonians for Responsible Wildlife Management.  Testifies in favor of bill.  Opposes dash-A2 amendments.  In favor of adopting conceptual amendments mentioned by chair.

340

Sen. Burdick

Asks for definition of regular intervals for checking traps for predatory animals.

350

Phillips

Responds. 

360

Sen. Burdick

Asks why the law should require all animal traps to be checked every 48 hours.

365

Phillips

Responds.

368

Sen. Burdick

Asks how long a predatory animal should suffer in a trap.

370

Phillips

Responds.

375

Sen. Burdick

Asks how the requirement that veterinarians must report animals injured by traps will be enforced.

380

Phillips

Explains.

400

Sen. Burdick

Asks whether the trappers should report the numbers of target and non-target animals caught.

405

Phillips

Elaborates.

TAPE 120, B

425/005

Sen. Deckert

Asks about gopher and mole issue.  Inquires how checking at regular intervals can guarantee preventing cruelty.

020

Phillips

Responds and explains.

045

Sen. Deckert

Asks for ODFW input regarding regular interval checking, and whether a statute is needed instead of a rule.

050

Elicker

Responds.

065

Sen. Deckert

Inquires whether the task force will include all stakeholders.

070

Elicker

Explains.

075

Chair Messerle

Asks Roy Hemmingway whether the conceptual amendment is acceptable to the Governor’s office.

080

Roy Hemmingway

Governor’s Natural Resources Office.  Testifies in favor of the conceptual amendment.

090

Mike Dykzeul

Oregon Forest Industries Council.  Testifies in favor and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT K).  Testifies in opposition to the dash-A2 amendments.

145

Hemmingway

Expresses no position on the dash-A2 amendments at this time.

155

Rod Harder

Oregon Sportsmen’s Defense Fund, National Trappers’ Association.  Testifies in favor of bill and conceptual amendments.  Testifies in opposition to the dash-A2 amendments.

195

Katie Cate

Oregon Cattlemen’s Association.  Testifies in favor of bill.  Opposes the dash-A2 amendments.  Supports the conceptual amendments.

210

Ralph Saperstein

Boise Cascade.  Testifies in support and submits written testimony of Tally Patton (EXHIBIT L).

240

Bob Gilman

Bob Gilman Forest Management.  Testifies in favor and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT M).  Responds to Sen. Burdick’s question about mandatory trap check at 48-hour intervals.

290

Pete Test

Oregon Farm Bureau Federation.  Testifies in favor and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT N).  Opposes dash-A2 amendments.  Supports the conceptual amendment.

315

Sen. Deckert

Asks about other places that have banned trapping, and how they deal with the populations.

325

Gilman

Responds.

335

Test

Explains further about California.

340

Cate

Responds further.

360

Mackler

Sierra Club.  Testifies in opposition and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT O).  Supports the dash-A2 amendments.

TAPE 121, A

010

Mackler

Continues

050

Chair Messerle

Clarifies that volunteer trappers do sell pelts.

057

Mackler

Responds.

060

Roxanna Nematollahi

Humane Oregon.  Testifies in opposition to bill as written.  Submits written testimony of Michelle Blake (EXHIBIT P).

105

Kelly Peterson

Oregon Humane Society.  Testifies in opposition to bill and submits written testimony (EXHIBITS Q, R).  Testifies in favor of dash-A2 amendments. 

145

Vice-chair Shields

Asks about comparison of the dash-A2 amendments to measure 97.  Asks about cost of campaign for measure 97.

155

Peterson

Responds.

170

Jim Conley

Salem Audubon Society.  Testifies in opposition and submits written testimony (EXHIBIT S).

240

Sen. Burdick

Asks about polling done before measure 97 campaign.

245

Peterson

Responds.

250

Sen. Burdick

Asks whether, if the dash-A2 amendments pass, there would be another ballot measure.

256

Peterson

Explains.

260

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks Conley who would enforce the dash-A2 amendments.

262

Conley

Defers.

265

Mackler

Responds.

275

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about the fiscal statement on the dash-A2 amendments.

278

Callens

Responds.

280

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks whether opponents believe the trappers would reliably report about animals caught.

295

Peterson

Explains.

300

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks whether the use of hounds is a preferable selective method of control.

310

Conley

Responds.

335

Sen. R. Beyer

Comments that no one should assume ranchers can afford to pay for the control of animals which are now being trapped by volunteer trappers.

345

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 3147 A.  Opens work session on           HB 3147 A.

3147 A – WORK SESSION

355

Judi James

Legislative Fiscal Office.  Testifies about fiscal impact of the dash-A2 amendments.

380

Sen. Burdick

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3147A-2 amendments dated 5/11/01.

390

Sen. Deckert

Comments on his no votes on the dash-A2 amendments and the bill.

400

Sen. Burdick

Responds regarding her proposing the dash-A2 amendments.

420

Sen. Burdick

VOTE:  2-5

AYE:               2 - Burdick, Shields

NAY:               5 - Atkinson, Beyer R, Deckert, Fisher, Messerle

 

Chair Messerle

The motion FAILS.

430

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves to SUSPEND the rules for the purpose of considering conceptual amendments to HB 3147 A.

435

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

440

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves to AMEND HB 3147A as follows: 

On page 2, in line 2, after "Wildlife” delete the word "shall" and insert the word "may"; and

On page 2, in line 2, after the word "staff" insert the word "as".

450

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

455

Sen. R. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves HB 3147A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

460

 

VOTE:  4-3

AYE:               4 – Atkinson, Beyer R, Fisher, Messerle

NAY:               3 – Burdick, Deckert, Shields

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. R. BEYER will lead discussion on the floor.

470

Sen. Burdick

Serves notice there will be a minority report.

475

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 3147 A.  Opens work session on HB 3363A.

HB 3363 A – WORK SESSION

480

Chair Messerle

Advises he will send this bill to the rules committee.

480

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves HB 3363A to the floor WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the Senate Committee on Rules and Redistricting.

485

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 – Shields

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

490

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 3363 A.  Adjourns meeting at 10:28 am.  Closes committee.

 


Submitted By,                        Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Patricia Nielsen,                        Judith Callens,

Committee Assistant                        Committee Administrator

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2181 A, written testimony, Chuck Craig, ODA, 2 pp

B - HB 2181 A, written testimony, Roy Elicker, ODFW, 1 p

C – HB 2181 A, written testimony, Denny Lassuy, American Fisheries Society, 3 pp

D – SB 470, written testimony, James W. Lewis, City of Jacksonville, 3 pp

E – SB 470, written testimony, Phillip Fell, City of Eugene, 2 pp

F – HB 2967 B, written testimony, Sally Mackler, Sierra Club, 2 pp

G – HB 2967 B, written testimony, Jim and Linda Figurski, 1 p

H – HB 2978 A, written testimony, Lauri Aunan, DEQ, 1 p

I – HB 3147 A, proposed dash-A2 amendments, staff, 2 pp

J – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Roy Elicker, ODFW, 2 pp

K – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Mike Dykzeul, Oregon Forest Industries Council, 8 pp

L – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Tally Patton, Boise Cascade Corp., 2 pp

M – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Bob Gilman, Bob Gilman Forest Management, 3 pp

N – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Pete Test, Oregon Farm Bureau, 1 p

O – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Sally Mackler, Sierra Club, Humane Oregon, 1 p

P – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Michelle Blake, Humane Oregon, 5 pp

Q – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Kelly Peterson, Humane Society, 4 pp

R – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Kelly Peterson, Humane Society, 1 p

S – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Jim Conley, Salem Audubon Society, 1 p

T – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Nettie Schwager, 1 p

U – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Susan Hansen, 1 p

V – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Lester Bass, 1 p

W – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Jim and Linda Figurski, 1 p

X – HB 3147 A, written testimony, Berry Snitkin, 1 p

Y – HB 3363 A, written testimony, Jim and Linda Figurski, 1 p

Z – HB 3363 A, written testimony, Sally Mackler, Sierra Club, 2 pp

AA – HB 2181 A, proposed dash-A2 amendments, staff, 1 p

BB – SB 470, proposed dash-9 amendments, staff, 3 pp

CC – HB 2967 B, proposed dash-A7 amendments, staff, 1 p

DD – HB 2978 A, proposed dash-A4 amendments, staff, 3 pp

EE – HB 2978 A, proposed dash-A5 amendments, staff, 2 pp

FF – HB 2978 A, proposed dash-A6 amendments, staff, 1 p