SENATE COMMITTEE ON NATURAL RESOURCES, AGRICULTURE, SALMON AND WATER

 

 

June 06, 2001 Hearing Room B

8:00 AM Tapes  122 - 125

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Sen. Ken Messerle, Chair

Sen. Frank Shields, Vice-Chair

Sen. Bill Fisher

Sen. Ginny Burdick

Sen. Jason Atkinson

Sen. Roger Beyer

Sen. Ryan Deckert

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Judith Callens, Committee Administrator

Patricia Nielsen, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            HB 2536 A – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 3002 A – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 3556 A – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 3564 A – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 3637 A – Public Hearing and Work Session

SB 41 – Public Hearing and Work Session

HB 3981 A – Public Hearing and Work Session

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 122, A

000

Chair Messerle

Opens the meeting at 8:21 a.m.

005

Chair Messerle

Opens simultaneous public hearings on HB 2536 A, HB 3002 A,      HB 3564 A, HB 3637 A, and HB 3981 A.

HB 2536 A, HB 3002 A, HB 3564 A, HB 3637 A, and HB 3981 A – PUBLIC HEARING

010

Rep. Bob Jenson

District 57.  Chair, House Stream Restoration and Species Recovery Committee.  Testifies in favor of all bills.  Explains each bill.  Submits proposed dash-A5 amendment to HB 3564 A (EXHIBIT A).  Expresses general agreement with amendments to HB 3637 A.

130

Chair Messerle

Inquires whether Rep. Jenson agrees with latest proposed amendments.

135

Rep. Jenson

Responds.

145

Rep. Jenson

Continues regarding HB 3981 A.

225

Vice-chair Shields

Regarding HB 3637 A, asks whether the committee considered that the Governor is required to appoint from certain interest groups, and also from geographical regions.

235

Rep. Jenson

Responds.

255

Vice-chair Shields

Raises issue that the commission has appointing authority of the director, subject to Senate confirmation.

270

Rep. Jenson

Explains.

295

Chair Messerle

Explains that he and Rep. Morgan have negotiated with the Governor regarding bill, and reduced the sunset from 2004 to 2003.

300

Rep. Jenson

Expresses agreement with that change.

305

Chair Messerle

Adjourns public hearings on HB 3002 A, HB 3564 A, HB 3637 A, and HB 3981 A.  Continues public hearing on HB 2536 A.

HB 2536 A – PUBLIC HEARING

325

Geoff Huntington

Director, Oregon Watershed Enhancement Board (OWEB).  Testifies in favor of bill as proposed.

330

Chair Messerle

Asks whether the Governor is agreeable with the bill.

332

Huntington

Explains.

335

Judith Callens

Committee Administrator.  Presents bill.

340

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 2536 A.  Opens work session on           HB 2536 A.

HB 2536 A – WORK SESSION

345

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves HB 2536A to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

350

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 - R. Beyer

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

SEN. ATKINSON will lead discussion on the floor.

355

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 2536 A.  Reopens public hearing on       HB 3002 A.

HB 3002 A – PUBLIC HEARING

365

Callens

Presents bill.  Presents possible conceptual amendments to bill (EXHIBIT B).

375

Huntington

Testifies in favor of bill with conceptual amendments.

400

Jim Myron

Oregon Trout.  Testifies in support of bill with conceptual amendments.

435

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 3002 A.  Opens work session on           HB 3002 A.

HB 3002 A – WORK SESSION

440

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves to SUSPEND the rules for the purpose of considering a conceptual amendment to HB 3002 A.

445

 

VOTE:  5-0

EXCUSED:  2 - Atkinson, R. Beyer

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

450

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves to adopt the committee amendment to             HB 3002 A, as hand-engrossed.


 

455

 

VOTE:  5-0

EXCUSED:  2 - Atkinson, R. Beyer

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

460

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves HB 3002A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

465

 

VOTE:  5-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  2 - Atkinson, R. Beyer

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. FISHER will lead discussion on the floor.

TAPE 123, A

010

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 3002 A.  Opens public hearing on           HB 3556 A.

HB 3556 A – PUBLIC HEARING

015

Callens

Presents bill.

020

K. K. Burrell

Testifies in favor of bill, on behalf of Rep. Patti Smith.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT C).

040

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 3556 A.  Opens work session on           HB 3556 A.

HB 3556 A – WORK SESSION

045

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves HB 3556A to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

050

 

VOTE:  5-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  2 - Atkinson, R. Beyer

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. SHIELDS will lead discussion on the floor.

055

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 3556 A.  Opens public hearing on           HB 3564 A.

HB 3564 A – PUBLIC HEARING

050

Callens

Presents bill, fiscal and revenue impacts, and dash-A5 amendments (EXHIBIT A).

105

Chair Messerle

Asks for clarification of revenue impact.

110

Callens

Responds.

115

Mike Barsotti

Oregon Department of Forestry (ODF).  Testifies in favor of bill and of    dash-A5 amendments.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT D).

145

Roy Elicker

Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW).  Testifies in favor with dash-A5 amendments.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT E).

150

Tom Imeson

Testifies in support.

155

Sen. Deckert

Asks about the problem to be solved.

160

Barsotti

Describes special assessments.

210

Sen. Deckert

Asks for examples of incentives.

215

Barsotti

Responds.

220

Chair Messerle

Explains the intent and effect of bill.

235

Sen. Burdick

Asks if bill provides seamless continuation of special assessment if land reverts to farm or forestry use.

240

Barsotti

Elaborates.

255

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks why the bill is needed to manage land.

270

Barsotti

Explains.

285

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about working with biologist.

290

Barsotti

Responds.

300

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks whether there are ODFW biologists.

325

Barsotti

Answers.

330

Chair Messerle

Clarifies that landowners won’t lose tax incentives no matter who they work with.

345

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about fiscal impact for the dash-A5 amendments and which agencies are affected.

350

Callens

Explains.

375

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks if dash-A5 amendments change the fiscal impact.

380

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 3564 A.  Opens work session on           HB 3564 A.

HB 3564 A – WORK SESSION

385

Sen. Deckert

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3564-A5 amendments dated 5/29/01.

387

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 – Shields

 

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

390

Sen. Deckert

MOTION:  Moves HB 3564A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

400

Sen. R. Beyer

Expresses concerns about bill.

405

Chair Messerle

Describes supporters of bill.

410

 

VOTE:  5-1

AYE:               5 - Atkinson, Burdick, Deckert, Fisher, Messerle

NAY:               1 - Beyer R

EXCUSED:     1 - Shields

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. DECKERT will lead discussion on the floor.

TAPE 122, B

020

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 3564 A.  Opens public hearing on           HB 3637 A.

HB 3637 A - PUBLIC HEARING

025

Callens

Presents bill and dash–A23 amendments (EXHIBIT F).

050

Myron

Testifies in favor of bill with dash-A23 amendments.

065

Al Elkins

Oregon Hunter’s Association.  Testifies in support with dash-A23 amendments.

070

Rod Harder

Oregon Sportsmen’s Defense Fund.  Testifies in favor of bill with  dash-A23 amendments.

095

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on HB 3637 A.  Opens work session on           HB 3637 A.

HB 3637 A – WORK SESSION

100

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3637-A23 amendments dated 6/5/01.

105

 

VOTE:  6-1

AYE:               6 – Atkinson, Burdick, Deckert, Fisher, Shields, Messerle

NAY:               1 – Beyer R

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

110

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves HB 3637A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

115

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. MESSERLE will lead discussion on the floor.

120

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 3637 A.  Opens public hearing on SB 41.

SB 41 – PUBLIC HEARING

125

Callens

Presents bill and dash-7 amendments (EXHIBIT G).

140

Sen. Ted Ferrioli

District 28.  Testifies in favor of bill with dash-7 amendments.

165

Elicker

Testifies on dash-7 amendments.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT H).

220

Lt. Cynthia Kok

Oregon State Police (OSP) Fish and Wildlife Division.  Testifies on dash-7 amendments.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT I).

255

Sen. Fisher

Asks about DNA testing in deer near Roseburg.

260

Kok

Responds.

270

Sen. Fisher

Comments on his experience trying to get the sale of meat and parts approved.

345

Chair Messerle

Asks whether dash-7 amendments address ODFW and OSP concerns.

365

Sen. Fisher

Advises there is licensed private slaughter of animals.

385

Sen. Ferrioli

Asks about location of production source of meat available for sale in Oregon.

390

Kok

Responds.

415

Sen. Ferrioli

Describes agency hostility.  Advises this is meant to be a business opportunities for rural Oregonians.  

TAPE 123, B

030

Sen. Fisher

Recommends that OSP spend resources trying to stop poachers, rather than over-enforce rules regarding illegal meat and bone sales.

060

Pete Test

Oregon Farm Bureau.  Testifies in favor of bill with dash-7 amendments.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT J).

105

Chair Messerle

Discusses requested conceptual amendment.

110

Mike Kilpatrick

Licensed elk rancher.  President, North American Elk Breeders Association.  Testifies in favor of bill.

185

Chair Messerle

Comments there is nothing in place now to have game wardens check wild elk from other states being brought to Oregon.

190

Katie Cate

Oregon Cattlemen’s Association.  Testifies in support of bill with  dash-7 amendments.  Refers to her written testimony from previous hearing. 

205

Russ Wohlers

Restaurant owner in Bend, Oregon.  Testifies in favor of bill and dash-7 amendments.

220

Sen. Fisher

Asks if any elk meat is being served in restaurants.

230

Wohlers

Explains.

245

Steve Simpson

Newly licensed elk rancher.  Testifies in favor of bill.

285

Lonnie Woosley

Elk rancher in Florence.  Testifies in favor. 

295

Louise Woosley

Testifies in favor.  Describes DNA testing being done on domestic elk.

310

Rod Harder

Testifies in opposition.  Refers to Department of Justice (DOJ) opinion submitted with EXHIBIT I.  Recommends a penalty for non-compliance.

390

Phil Donovan

Oregon Guides and Packers Association.  Testifies in opposition to bill and amendments.  Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT K).

TAPE 124, A

005

Elkins

Testifies in opposition to bill and dash-7 amendments.

020

Chair Messerle

Asks why other wild animal meat is different from elk meat.

025

Donovan

Responds.

030

Harder

Responds.

035

Chair Messerle

Asks whether poaching is a problem with wild birds.

038

Harder

Answers.

040

Sen. Fisher

Discusses Attorney General’s opinion. 

065

Chuck Woosley

Oregon Division, Izaak Walton League of America.  Testifies in opposition to elk ranching in any form.

135

Sen. Fisher

Comments those groups did not once vote on any sale of any animal parts for any purpose in Oregon, including wild duck feathers used for fly-tying, despite constant amendments offered.

170

C. Woosley

Responds.

180

Chair Messerle

Closes public hearing on SB 41.  Opens work session on SB 41.

SB 41 – WORK SESSION

190

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks how an elk is different from an endangered salmon.

195

Kok

Responds.

205

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks why ODFW condones fishing of endangered salmon, but objects to elk process.

210

Elicker

Elaborates.

235

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks about penalties for non-compliance.

240

Kok

Responds.

245

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks if poaching elk would be an OSP enforcement issue.

250

Kok

Describes.

260

Sen. Fisher

Suggests increasing the penalties for poachers rather than restricting ranchers further.

280

Chair Messerle

Suggests managing poaching of elk, and creating penalties for non-compliance.

290

Kok

Responds.

295

Chair Messerle

Suggests there is a difference between meat from wild and domestic animals.

320

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks who regulated salmon raising facilities in Oregon when they operated.

325

Elicker

Responds.

350

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks if rules allowing raising salmon are still in effect.

355

Elicker

Answers.

365

Sen. R. Beyer

Comments that if all elk facilities are regulated, the department could determine whether there is any poaching.

385

Kok

Responds.

400

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks whether there are the same issues with fish and quail.

410

Sen. Fisher

Comments about restrictions on taxidermists, similar to those on meat.

TAPE 125, A

005

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 41-7 amendments dated 6/5/01.

 

 

VOTE:  4-0

EXCUSED:  3 - Burdick, Deckert, Shields

010

Chair Messerle

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

020

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves SB 41 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

025

Sen. R. Beyer

Comments about his reservations on the bill, because of the inconsistent behavior of the department.

030

 

VOTE:  4-2

AYE:               4 - Atkinson, Beyer R, Fisher, Messerle

NAY:               2 - Burdick, Deckert

EXCUSED:     1 – Shields

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. FERRIOLI will lead discussion on the floor.

045

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on SB 41.  Opens public hearing on HB 3981 A.

3981 A – PUBLIC HEARING

055

Callens

Presents bill and dash-A5 amendments (EXHIBIT L).  Describes fiscal impact.


 

110

Chair Messerle

Describes development of bill, and Governor’s support for the safe harbor program. 

135

Elicker

Testifies and raises concerns.

155

Chair Messerle

Advises that legislative counsel wrote language to restate existing law or rule-making authority of department. 

165

Elicker

Continues.

195

Myron

Testifies in opposition to bill because of fiscal impact on agency.  If dash-A5 amendments are adopted, recommends sending the bill to Ways and Means.

220

Stephen Kafoury

Testifies in opposition.  Suggests the bill go to Ways and Means.

260

Chair Messerle

Comments that safe harbor is by rule, to be completed by ODFW.

265

Donovan

Northwest Sportfishing Association.  Testifies without position, but expresses approval of having the information.

285

Sen. R. Beyer

Asks whether it is appropriate for the legislature to mandate the executive branch to do something.

320

Elicker

Responds.

325

Sen. Burdick

Asks how the state Endangered Species Act (ESA) compares to the federal ESA before and after these amendments.

345

Elicker

Explains.

380

Sen. Burdick

Asks how the two different acts apply to state lands.

390

Kafoury

Responds.

400

Sen. Burdick

Asks which requirements apply if both federal and state governments have listed a species.

405

Kafoury

Responds and explains.

TAPE 124, B

010

Callens

Reports from legislative counsel.

015

Chair Messerle

Advises he wants to pass the bill and let leadership decide whether to send to Ways and Means.  Closes public hearing on HB 3981 A.  Opens work session on HB 3981 A.

HB 3981 A – WORK SESSION

025

Sen. Burdick

Explains her no vote.

035

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3981-A5 amendments dated 6/6/01.

035

 

VOTE:  6-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  1 – Shields

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.


 

040

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves HB 3981A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

040

 

VOTE:  4-2

AYE:               4 - Atkinson, Beyer R, Fisher, Messerle

NAY:               2 - Burdick, Deckert

EXCUSED:     1 – Shields

 

Chair Messerle

The motion CARRIES.

R. BEYER will lead discussion on the floor.

045

Chair Messerle

Closes work session on HB 3981 A.  Adjourns meeting at 11:12 a.m.

 

Submitted By,                        Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Patricia Nielsen,                        Judith Callens,

Committee Assistant                        Committee Administrator

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 3564 A, proposed dash-A5 amendments, Rep. Jenson, 2 pp

B – HB 3002 A, proposed conceptual amendment, staff, 2 pp

C – HB 3556 A, written testimony, Rep. Patti Smith, 2 pp

D – HB 3564 A, written testimony, Mike Barsotti, ODF, 7 pp

E – HB 3564 A, written testimony, Roy Elicker, ODFW, 5 pp

F – HB 3637 A, proposed dash-A23 amendments, staff, 1 p

G – SB 41, proposed dash-7 amendments, staff, 2 pp

H – SB 41, written testimony, Roy Elicker, ODFW, 7 pp

I – SB 41, written testimony, Lt. Cynthia Kok, OSP, 2 pp

J – SB 41, written testimony, Pete Test, Oregon Farm Bureau Association, 1 p

K – SB 41, written testimony, Phil Donovan, Oregon Guides and Packers Association, 1 p

L – HB 3981, proposed dash-A5 amendments, staff, 4 pp