SENATE SPECIAL COMMITTEE ON

GOVERNMENT AFFAIRS

 

 

June 17, 2002 Hearing Room B

6:00 p.m.      Tapes 5 - 6

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Sen. Bev Clarno, Chair

Sen. Jason Atkinson

Sen. Mae Yih

 

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Marjorie Taylor, Administrator

                                                Patsy Wood, Committee Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            SB 1026 Public Hearing and Work Session

SB 1025 Public Hearing

                                                SB 1026 Work Session to Reconsider Vote

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 5, A

003

Chair Clarno

Calls the meeting to order at 6:07 p.m. and opens a public hearing on SB 1026.

SB 1026 PUBLIC HEARING

006

Admin. Marjorie Taylor

Introduces SB 1026 which increases unemployment insurance benefits to eligible individuals by $13 per week and reduces unemployment insurance tax for first quarter of 2003.

012

Sen. Yih

Asks how taxes can be lowered when benefits are increased.

020

Joe Gilliam

Oregon Grocery Industry Association.  Testifies in support of SB 1026.  Explains how additional federal money lets them increase the benefits while decreasing the tax rate thus extending the economic stimulus package presented in HB 4021 (1st Special Session 2002).

052

J.L. Wilson

National Federation of Independent Business.  Testifies in support of SB 1026 echoing the sentiments of Mr. Gilliam.

059

Sen. Atkinson

For the record, asks whether the benefit is equally fair to employers and employees.

063

Gilliam

Responds that the $13 a week is equal to $14.14 million, and the .16% tax reduction is worth $15.68 million, so they are very close.

076

Sen. Atkinson

Asks if there is also an extension in the number of weeks.

080

Gilliam

Explains that the extension is adding a full quarter.

087

Chair Clarno

Closes the public hearing and opens work session on SB 1026. 

SB 1026 WORK SESSION

090

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves SB 1026 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

 

 

VOTE:  3-0

 

093

Chair Clarno

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

SEN. ATKINSON will lead discussion on the floor.

 

095

Chair Clarno

Closes the work session on SB 1026 and opens a public hearing on SB 1025.

SB 1025 PUBLIC HEARING

104

Chair Clarno

Recesses the committee.

105

Chair Clarno

Reconvenes the committee.

107

Admin. M. Taylor

Introduces SB 1025 which requires the Department of Education to adopt and administer norm-referenced academic achievement testing in Oregon public schools, and makes implementation by school district of Certificate of Initial Mastery (CIM), Certificate of Advanced Mastery (CAM) and state assessment system optional.

117

Stan Bunn

Superintendent of Public Instruction.  Testifies in opposition to SB 1025 saying Oregon’s 10-year old system of standards and assessment should not be changed.  Feels that allowing schools to opt out of the CIM/CAM requirement would send a message that the state is not serious about high standards in education.  Adds that with a new assessment system, clarity would be lost in identifying students with special needs.  Wonders what measurement the state will have to ensure that students are performing at a quality level if they do away with CIM/CAM.

148

Bunn

Discusses some of the complications in abandoning the CIM/CAM assessment system, including the risk of losing $500,000,000 in federal money, possible litigation at a high cost, and jeopardizing the ability to receive federal, competitive grants.  Describes problems that would occur with the legislatively mandated “report card” in Oregon. 

192

Bunn

Describes the problems if Oregon moves from CIM/CAM to a national test.  Urges the committee to not make the Department of Education abandon a system that has been in place for 10 years.

226

Sen. Atkinson

Expresses frustration experienced by rural Oregon regarding the cost of the program and the training of staff.  Says that students question the value of the CIM/CAM when moving on to college and wonder if other states have this program.  Mentions that the legislation is proposing that the CIM/CAM system become “optional.”

246

Bunn

Responds that “optional”, to him, means no standard.  Describes the value of the CIM/CAM: a higher number of third-grade students reading at a standard level, and benefits when going on to college such as scholarships and early or automatic entry.  Says that the cost to school districts and the Department of Education will be substantially higher (based on the federal government’s rigorous standards) if we abandon CIM/CAM and move to alternatives. 

299

Sen. Yih

Asks about the cost of norm-referenced academic achievement testing for every grade in Oregon.

304

Bunn

Responds that the federal government is going to have rigorous standards for third grade through tenth grade testing and Oregon wants to use a testing system and standards currently in the approval process to save money.

320

Bill Auty

Associate Superintendent for Assessment.  Says that Oregon would have to implement a norm-referenced national test in 7 different subject areas.  Discusses the increased cost of testing which is between $3 and $12 per student, per subject, and there are 40,000 students per grade.

347

Sen. Yih

Asks what grades are tested in Oregon.

351

Auty

Replies that testing is now done in grades 3, 5, 8 & 10.

353

Sen. Yih

Asks if this bill calls for testing of every grade.

354

Auty

Responds it will be grades 1 through12.

355

Sen. Yih

Asks if these tests can be administered by teachers in their classroom rather than through outside contracting.

360

Auty

Replies that these tests are constructed by publishers and they recoup their costs through their testing so they would be unlikely to give teachers the tests to score internally.

370

Bunn

Discusses TESSA – a computerized program that gives test results in 5 minutes.  Says it is unclear if a national test would be able to synchronize with TESSA which could significantly lengthen the time to get back test results.

395

Sen. Verne Duncan

Senate District 20.  Testifies in opposition to SB 1025 saying it is hard to think about spending money on a new program when the state is trying to find ways to save money.  Discusses the problem many teachers have with the amount of paperwork involved, but says using the TESSA program will give teachers instant information.  Comments that the legislature is part of the problem by cutting back on the funds for the computer system. 

TAPE 6, A

005

Sen. Duncan

Says you have to look at a trend through the years for evaluation purposes.  Emphasizes that we would be sending a terrible message to the schools in this state if we asked educators to start over with a new system.  Discusses this time as an era of accountability.  Urges the committee to not throw out a system that has the potential of being a great educational tool. 

050

Sen. Charles Starr

Senate District 13.  Testifies in support of SB 1025 saying he has heard from teachers that CIM/CAM are a failure, and heard from school board members that this is a burden that has not been funded.  Says our expectations are not high enough so we don’t compare well in the world.  Gifted students tell him CIM is a waste of time.  Discusses the cost of the new program saying it shouldn’t cost more.  Feels CIM/CAM will eventually be eliminated, if it is not done so today.  Says England tried this system for 20 years and they said it did not work.  Urges the committee to pass SB 1025 to the floor do pass.

126

Sen. Randy Miller

Senate District 19.  Testifies in support of SB 1025, saying it is very difficult to admit failure, but feels the CIM/CAM has been a monumental failure.  Notes that there is no value to colleges of the CIM or CAM.  Has heard that CIM/CAM deprives teachers of an opportunity to teach.  Notes that this legislation makes the CIM/CAM optional.  Urges the committee to pass the bill to the floor do pass saying it will save money, save time in the classroom and help save education.

218

Sen. Gary George

Senate District 12.  Testifies in support of SB 1025.  Comments about a town hall meeting where teachers and staff asked him to “get bureaucracy off their back” by making the CIM and CAM optional.  Describes how the CIM/CAM files are physically taking up a large amount of space.  Notes the amount of money this process has used up.  Says making CIM/CAM optional would leave those schools successfully using the program intact, while giving all school districts the option to choose.  Says this is a chance to reform the reform.

323

Chair Clarno

Asks if he has children in the school system.

324

Sen. George

Replies that he has five children that have graduated, but says that 19 members of his family are in the education profession.  Shares some of the discussions he has had with family members in California who feel bogged down in the classroom by this same type of testing.

348

Chair Clarno

Closes the public hearing on SB 1025 and opens a work session to reconsider SB 1026.

SB 1026 WORK SESSION

356

Sen. Atkinson

MOTION:  Moves to RECONSIDER the vote by which SB 1026 was sent to the floor DO PASS.

 

 

VOTE:  3-0

360

Chair Clarno

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

 

365

Chair Clarno

Closes the work session on SB 1026 and adjourns the meeting at 7:02 p.m.

 

Submitted By,                        Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Patsy Wood                        Marjorie Taylor,

Committee Assistant                        Administrator