SENATE SPECIAL SESSION COMMITTEE ON REVENUE

 

 

June 18, 2002 Hearing Room A

1:00 p.m. Tapes  13 - 14

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Sen. Ted Ferrioli, Chair

Sen. Joan Dukes

Sen. Bill Fisher

Sen. John Minnis

Sen. Cliff Trow

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Paul Warner, Administrator

Nancy Massee, Administrative Support

Cara Filsinger, Committee Administrator

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:        

                                                80A Work Session

                                               

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 13, A

004

Chair Ted Ferrioli

Convenes meeting at 1:20 p.m. Opens work session on HJR80.

 

 

 

WORK SESSION HJR 80

014

Paul Warner

LFO.  Explains the –10 amendment.  Changes on page 6 explained. (EXHIBIT A)

023

Sen. Fisher

MOVES the adoption of -10 amendment to substitute for the –9.

030

Sen. Dukes

Asks if a motion to reconsider is needed.

032

Warner

Explains the directions have been to substitute the -10 for the -9.

033

Sen. Dukes

Explains she is going to vote no. Says the voters do not want this.

038

Chair Ferrioli

Explains the choice of a conceptual amendment.

043

Sen. Trow

Does not agree that this is the right amount for this measure.  Will vote no on this.  Asks to delay the bill.

066

Chair Ferrioli

Replies the committee waited 20 minutes.  Says the Republican caucus will consider this as a catalyst to move to the floor.  There will be ample time for discussion.  Since there has been an impasse for a few days, the issue needs to move forward.

083

Sen. Trow

Emphasizes there is need for a pause before action is taken.

 

Chair Ferrioli

Says the request to delay is under advisement.

091

Chair Ferrioli

Continues the endowment fund is critical to budget and to the education community.  The question is an issue of choosing the right number. Excuses himself for a few minutes and hands gavel to Sen. Minnis.

123

Sen. Minnis

Discusses the amounts proposed in the fund.  Says this will go to a conference committee.

125

Warner

Explains that the -9 amendments are contained in the -10 amendments which are merely reference changes.  The substantive change in the -10 amendments is to change the amount from 180 to 220.

140

Sen. Minnis

Explains that there are not votes for some of the tax increase proposals.

144

Sen. Dukes

Agrees with Sen. Trow.  Says they will be resolved in conference committee.  Does not agree with the process.  The democrats want a chance to meet and talk and come to conclusions. 

169

Sen. Minnis

Comments that bills can be moved back to committees.

161

Sen. Fisher

Comments that Oregon is not recovering from the recession very fast.  Wants to support education but they must use their means as far as possible.  Asks for cooperation from recipients of funding.

181

Sen. Trow

Comments that the democrats have been working on the proposal presented by the Senate President.  Says this bill is a key part of a solution and the democrats need more time to consider a counter proposal. 

207

Sen. Minnis

Calls five minute recess at 1:35.  Chair Ferrioli returns.

214

Chair Ferrioli

Reconvenes meeting at 1:40 p.m. 

215

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HJR 880-10 amendments dated 6/10/02.

216

 

VOTE:  3-2

AYE:               3 - Fisher, Minnis, Ferrioli

NAY:               2 - Dukes, Trow

217

Chair Ferrioli

The motion CARRIES.

218

Sen. Fisher

MOTION:  Moves HJR 80 be sent to the floor with a BE ADOPTED AS AMENDED recommendation.

219

Sen. Dukes

This bill was not originally a stand alone bill, is that correct? 

220

Chair Ferrioli

Answers there are probably four bills that relate to this bill.

221

Sen. Dukes

Asks why they are not all being done at once.

222

Chair Ferrioli

Answers the bills will be returned to over and over. To make this bill effective, the other bills would have to be modified.  This bill will become a part of policy and a catalyst for discussion.

223

 

VOTE:  3-2

AYE:               3 - Fisher, Minnis, Ferrioli

NAY:               2 - Dukes, Trow

224

Chair Ferrioli

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. FERRIOLI will lead discussion on the floor.

 

Chair Ferrioli

Recesses committee until 3:00 p.m.

256

Chair Ferrioli

Reconvenes meeting at 6:20 p.m.

 

Chair Ferrioli

Opens work session on HJR 80.

HJR 80 – WORK SESSION

288

Sen. Minnis

MOTION:  Moves to RECONSIDER the vote by which the committee passed HJR 80 to the floor do pass as amended.

300

Sen. Dukes

Asks about vote required.  Is 2/3 required?

301

Committee Members

Discussion about vote requirements.  Chair Ferrioli clarifies that since this reconsideration is within the same day in the same committee, a simple majority is correct.

322

 

VOTE:  5-0

323

Chair Ferrioli

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

327

Chair Ferrioli

Asks Legisative Counsel to explain amendments.

328

Cindy Hunt

Legislative Counsel.  Says the –A11 amendments (EXHIBIT B) are a “gut and stuff” and restores the measure to its original introduced form. Says the measure will no longer be a constitutional revision, so the vote requirement will be a simple majority.  Details components of amendments.

338

Sen. Trow

Asks about purpose of amendments is to reduce vote requirements.

340

Hunt

Responds the amendments are one subject so the higher vote standard does not apply..

342

Sen. Trow

Clarifies they need 16 votes to pass HJR 80 with the new amendments.

345

Hunt

Responds yes. Further clarifies that the dollar amount is changed to $220 million.

348

Chair Ferrioli

Says the bill will likely go to conference committee.

350

Sen. Trow

Asks about the capital construction fund.

360

Chair Ferrioli

Says this will be a stand alone bill.

370

Sen. Dukes

Asks why the funds are transferred on May 1.  Questions how this will help schools make decisions if it is at the end of the school year

TAPE 14, A

007

Warner

Clarifies the transfer will take place at the same time as the May 15 final payment.  Says keeping the moneys in the fund will generate interest earnings.

015

Sen. Dukes

Asks if this will help schools.

017

Warner

Responds it will be part of their fiscal year.

020

Sen. Dukes

Opines this will be better timing for the legislature.

023

Sen. Trow

And also for some of the funds that work on the interest from that fund.  Like the grants going to college students and so forth.  There will be more of those because there will be more interest.

025

Sen. Dukes

Asks if this is backed by tobacco settlement funds.

026

Warner

Responds that is in another bill.

027

Chair Ferrioli

Responds that other bills will be scheduled soon.

034

Sen. Dukes

Asks if it is his intention to provide a back up for HJR 80.

037

Sen. Minnis

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HJR 80-A11 amendments dated 6/18/02.

 

 

VOTE:  3-2

AYE:               3 - Fisher, Minnis, Ferrioli

NAY:               2 - Dukes, Trow

039

Chair Ferrioli

The motion CARRIES.

040

Sen. Minnis

MOTION:  Moves HJR 80 be sent to the floor with a BE ADOPTED AS AMENDED recommendation.

 

 

VOTE:  3-2

AYE:               3 - Fisher, Minnis, Ferrioli

NAY:               2 - Dukes, Trow

042

Chair Ferrioli

The motion CARRIES.

SEN. FERRIOLI will lead discussion on the floor.

043

Chair Ferrioli

Adjourns committee at 6:35 p.m.

 

Submitted By,                        Reviewed By,

 

 

 

Nancy Massee                        Paul Warner

Administrative Support                        Administrator

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A –HJR 80 -10 amendments, staff, 6 pp

B – HJR 80 -11 amendments, staff, 6 pp