HOUSE COMMITTEE ON

AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL RESOURCES

 

 

March 04, 2003   Hearing Room D

1:00 PM Tapes  35 - 36

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Jeff Kropf, Chair

Rep. George Gilman, Vice-Chair

Rep. Kelley Wirth, Vice-Chair

Rep. Terry Beyer

Rep. Dave Hunt

Rep. Donna Nelson

Rep. Patti Smith

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Ray Kelly, Committee Administrator

David Peffley, Committee Assistant

 

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     HB 2209 – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                HB 2258 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2634 – Work Session

 

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 35, A

003

Chair Kropf

Calls the meeting to order at 1:39 and opens a public hearing on           HB 2209.

HB 2209 – PUBLIC HEARING

014

Ray Kelly

Submits (EXHIBIT A), the hand engrossed -1 amendments to           HB 2209, and summarizes the measure and the effects of the -1 amendment.

029

Jerod Broadfoot

Oregon Chapter, Safari Club International.  Testifies in favor of          HB 2209, but against the -1 amendments. 

041

Ron Anglin

Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW).  States that the department does not support the -1 amendments.

050

Rep. Wirth

Asks if this bill allows ODFW to shoot wolves from the air. 

053

Anglin

States that it depends on the classification of the wolf.  If it is classified as a predator, then the right is already granted.

063

Rep. Hunt

Asks for clarification of what the -1 amendment does. 

070

Anglin

Addresses the change and the inclusion of the term scientific research..

073

Rep. Hunt

Asks why ODFW opposes the -1 amendment. 

077

Anglin

Responds that it restricts ODFW for scientific research.

087

Rep. Hunt

Asks if this opinion is representative of the department. 

091

Anglin

Responds that he’s speaking on the behalf of the commission. 

100

Rep. Hunt

Asks for confirmation that the governor and commission supports the bill as is.

103

Anglin

Notes that he isn’t 100% sure about the current governor. 

108

Ray Kelly

Explains the effect of the amendment to the committee.

127

Anglin

States that ODFW already has broad enough authority without the amendment. 

138

Chair Kropf

Addresses the concern of a constituent and asks about an outbreak of chronic wasting.

143

Anglin

Responds that ODFW has not addressed the issue.

148

Martin Taylor

Sierra Club.  Addresses the process of the Sierra Club’s involvement with HB 2209.  Stresses their original support for HB 2209, but opposition to the -1 amendment.  States that their impasse surrounds wolves and elk. 

225

Chair Kropf

Confirms Taylor’s assumptions and asks about the frequency.

234

Taylor

Addresses the wolf concern and notes that other states routinely shoot them from the air. 

257

Carol Porto

Speaks to the Sierra Club’s work with ODFW on the amendment, but reasserts that they were not able to come to a consensus.  Reaffirms opposition to the -1 amendments. 

282

Sally Mackler

Sierra Club Wildlife Chair.  States opposition to the -1 amendments.  Submits (EXHIBIT B) and (EXHIBIT C) and explains that aerial hunting needs to be restricted to emergency use only.  Submits concerns about the ambiguity of the language in HB 2209.

377

Rep. Gilman

Asks about injuries to people on the ground in the airplane crashes. 

382

Mackler

States that she is not sure, but that enforcement agents have been shot at.

395

George Hutchinson

Southern Oregon Forest Coalition.  States bewilderment as to why ODFW needs this authority now and why a wolf is on the list.  States concern that this could be a back door attempt to override the ESA.

TAPE 36, A

002

Chair

Closes the public hearing on HB 2209 and opens a work session on   HB 2209.

HB 2209 – WORK SESSION

005

Chair Kropf

Addresses the financial issues brought up in relation to HB 2209 and mentions the subsequent referral to ways and means. 

012

Rep. Nelson

MOTION:  Moves HB  2209 to the floor WITHOUT RECOMMENDATION as to passage and BE REFERRED to the committee on Ways and Means.

018

Rep. Hunt

States a concern with elk which needs to be addressed.  States concern with the unintended consequences of broadening the scope too much.

015

Rep. Wirth

States opposition to HB 2209 due to concerns about the wolves.

020

Rep. Beyer

States opposition to HB 2209.

040

 

VOTE:  5-2

AYE:            5 - Rep. Gilman, Rep. Hunt, Rep. Nelson, Rep. Smith, Chair Kropf

NAY:            2 - Rep. Wirth, Rep. Beyer

041

Chair

The motion Carries.

050

Chair Kropf

Closes the work session on HB 2209 and opens a public hearing on        HB 2258.

PUBLIC HEARING – HB 2258

053

Ray Kelly

Summarizes HB 2258 and introduces the -1 amendment            (EXHIBIT D).

055

Ron Anglin

Wildlife Division Administrator, ODFW.  Submits (EXHIBIT E) and testifies in support of HB 2258.  Notes that this bill has broad support and that this program has been successful in the past.

079

Chuck Smith

Chairman, Access and Habitat Board. States support for HB 2258 as it’s an ongoing program and needs to retain funding.

088

Ward Armstrong

States support for the -1 amendments.  Gives background to the process of removing the sunset.  Testifies that the program would be more efficient if the sunset were to be removed.

144

Chair Kropf

Asks for clarification that -1 amendments remove sunseting. 

154

Rep. Nelson

Asks about the fiscal effect of the bill.

160

Smith

Answers that we receive about $1.5 million  per biennium.

165

Rep. Nelson

Asks if there is a requirement for continuance.

167

Smith

States that there isn’t, but that it’s highly desirable.

171

Rep. Nelson

Questions why we need this legislation.

175

Smith

Responds that most of the fees are voluntary, but adds that there is a $2 unvoluntary charge.

183

Rep. Nelson

Asks if this allows Oregon to maintain its hunting privileges.

187

Smith

Responds that the goal is to keep public lands open so that the public has a place to hunt.

195

Chair Kropf

References the emergency seeding project as an example of how this bill can help.  States that this bill is worthy of consideration.

213

Rep. Smith

Asks if this bill is part of the hunting fee increase.

216

Anglin

States that it is not.

219

Rep. Hunt

Asks how many years it would take for ODFW to reach their stated goals.

227

Smith

Suggests that this bill might give some trouble to landowners.

232

Armstrong

Speaks to the long-term nature of their projects.

246

Smith

Reaffirms the long-term nature of the projects.  

258

Al Elkins

Oregon Hunters Association (OHA).  Testifies that this is the best program he’s ever witnessed in strong support of HB 2258. 

299

Rod Harder

Oregon Sporting Dogs Association.  Gives a historical background to HB 2258.  Testifies that the program is working and that land owners are benefiting.  States though that he doesn’t support the permanency of the fee, but prefers the six year project before renewal.

378

Jerod Broadfoot

Safari Club International.  Speaks to the funding sources for this program.    Urges support for extending the sunset. 

412

Rep. Smith

Asks if the $2 million has already been allocated.

TAPE 35, B

004

Ron Anglin

Addresses the balance left in the account.

018

Rep. Smith

Asks about the nature of that balance.

021

Anglin

Responds to the projects vis-à-vis the balance in the account.

028

Vice-Chair Gilman

Asks how many projects were left unfunded.

030

Chuck Smith

Speaks to the spending limitations and to their effect on projects.

043

Rep. Hunt

Asks how grants are awarded typically.

049

Anglin

Speaks to the projects which come in that require grant money.

070

Rep. Hunt

Asks Broadfoot about past problems close to the end of sunset time.

079

Broadfoot

Responds that they haven’t experienced any major problems due to the sunset and affirms that six years is an appropriate amount of time.

088

Rep Gilman

Asks Elkins what OHA’s opinion of the -1 amendments are.

091

Elkins

Speaks to the -1 amendments removing the sunset, and the duration of the projects.  Affirms that OHA’s main concern is with the perpetuity of the program.

110

Greg Addington

Oregon Farm Bureau (OFB).  Affirms support for HB 2258.  States that OFB prefers the bill without the -1 amendment. 

141

Katie Fast

Oregon Cattlemen’s Association (OCA).  Speaks in favor of HB 2258 as written. Hopes this discussion to move forward and to address potential problems.

161

Rep. Beyer

Asks if removing the sunset would diminish OCA’s support.

166

Fast

Affirms that OCA would still support HB 2258, but that the membership prefers the sunset.

170

Addington

Restates that OFB would also still support HB 2258, but also support the sunset.

175

Chair Kropf

Asks if the two-year review is adequate to address future uncertainties.

178

Addington

States that they are more comfortable with the sunset.

188

Fast

Adds that access and local control are concerns, but not appropriate to discuss in this forum.

198

Chair Kropf

States that this bill makes sense and has a pretty good endorsement.

224

Rep. Wirth

Submits (EXHIBIT F) from a constituent in support of HB 2258.

238

Chair Kropf

Closes the public hearing on HB 2258 and opens a work session on  HB 2634.

HB 2634 – WORK SESSION

250

Rep. Smith

MOTION:  Moves HB  2634 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

257

Rep. Beyer

Offers support for HB 2634.

272

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Kropf

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

274

Rep. Smith

MOTION:  Moves HB  2634 be placed on the CONSENT CALENDAR.

277

 

VOTE:  7-0

279

Chair Kropf

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

282

Chair Kropf

Closes the work session on HB 2634 and adjourns the meeting at 2:56.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2209, HB 2209 hand engrossed with the –1 amendments, staff, 2 pp.

B – HB 2209, written testimony, Sally Mackler, 2 pp.

C – HB 2209, written information, Sally Mackler, 9 pp.

D – HB 2258, -1 amendments, staff, 5 pp.

E – HB 2258, written testimony, Ron Anglin, 2 pp.

F – HB 2258, written testimony, Rep. Kelley Wirth, 1 p.