HOUSE COMMITTEE ON

AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL RESOURCES

 

 

March 25, 2003   Hearing Room HR D

1:00 PM  Tapes 47 - 49

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Jeff Kropf, Chair

Rep. George Gilman, Vice-Chair

Rep. Kelley Wirth, Vice-Chair

Rep. Terry Beyer

Rep. Dave Hunt

Rep. Donna Nelson

Rep. Patti Smith

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Ray Kelly, Committee Administrator

David Peffley, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     HB 2372 – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                SJM 2 A – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                HJM 6 – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                HB 2754 – Public Hearing

                                                Work Session

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 47, A

003

Chair Kropf

Calls the meeting to order at 1:07 and opens a public hearing on        HB 2372.

HB 2372 – PUBLIC HEARING

008

Chair Kropf

Introduces the -2 amendments (EXHIBIT A)

011

Ray Kelly

Committee Administrator.  Summarizes HB 2372.

024

Jim Geisinger

Association of Oregon Loggers.  Testifies in favor of the -2 amendments. 

042

Rep. Beyer

Offers thanks to everyone for addressing her concerns.

055

Chair Kropf

Closes a public hearing on HB 2372 and opens a work session on      HB 2372.

HB 2372 – WORK SESSION

093

Rep. Wirth

Addresses the -1 amendments in relation to HB 2372. 

140

Rep. Beyer

States that she will support this bill.

151

Rep. Gilman

States that he will not support the -2 amendments.

157

Rep. Hunt

Responds that he has concerns regarding the amendments, although he generally supports the principles.

190

Rep. Nelson

Indicates support for the -2 amendments over the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT B).

206

Rep. Smith

States that she will support the -1 amendments.

210

Chair Kropf

Comments that this bill needs a larger policy discussion but offers Rep. Wirth the chance to withdraw.

211

Rep. Wirth

Indicates she will not make a motion.

235

Rep. Nelson

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2372-2 amendments dated 03/19/03.

237

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Kropf

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

237

Rep. Gilman

MOTION:  Moves HB 2372A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and the SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to the committee on Revenue BE RESCINDED.

238

 

VOTE:  7-0

240

Chair Kropf

Closes the work session on HB 2372A and opens a public hearing on SJM 2A

270

Chair Kropf

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

REP. NELSON will lead discussion on the floor.

297

Rep. Wirth

Responds in support of this bill, but will probably not vote for any other tax credit bills.

SJM 2A – PUBLIC HEARING

333

Senator Atkinson

District 2. Testifies in favor of SJM 2A and notes the passage is needed in order to take advantage of the salvage logging, due to the biscuit fire.

TAPE 48, A

015

Sen. Atkinson

Concludes his testimony stating that it is on the front burner in Washington DC.  Appeals to the committee to help the loggers in his district.

043

Rep. Nelson

Responds with support for SJM 2A. 

055

Sen. Atkinson

Notes how neighbors responded to the fire and that Oregon doesn’t needs to act proactively to prevent another tragedy.

077

Rep. Nelson

Asks for figures.

080

Sen. Atkinson

Replies that he doesn’t know for sure. 

094

Rep. Nelson

Asks if we have previously passed a bill to deal with salvage logging.

100

Chair Kropf

States that HB 2344 will be heard today dealing with the same issue.

117

Rep. Smith

Asks how many jobs are we talking about.

120

Sen. Atkinson

Replies that over three hundred jobs are at stake.

133

Rep. Smith

Asks how this bill would impact the schools in the area.

136

Sen. Atkinson

Responds it would be a big impact.

149

Ralph Saperstein

Boise-Cascade.  Testifies in favor of SJM 2A and explains the impact of the ten thousand acres lost in 2002 due to forest fires.  Urges support for SJM 2A.

170

Chair Kropf

Closes the public hearing on SJM 2A and opens a work session on  SJM 2A.

 

SJM 2A – WORK SESSION

218

Rep. Nelson

MOTION:  Moves SJM 2A be sent to the floor with a BE ADOPTED recommendation.

219

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 - Rep. Gilman

 

Chair Kropf

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

REP. GILMAN will lead discussion on the floor.

232

Chair Kropf

Closes a work session on SJM 2A and opens a public hearing on     HJM 6.

HJM 6 – PUBLIC HEARING

233

Rep. Nelson

District 24.  Submits (EXHIBIT C) and testifies that HJM 6 is a substantial ingredient that would bring economic healing to Oregon.

330

Ted Lorensen

Assistant State Forester, Oregon Department of Forestry (ODF).  Submits (EXHIBIT D) and testifies in favor of HJM 6 explaining that this memorial promotes positions that ODF has advocated for years .

377

Rep. Nelson

Asks how many people were once employed in forestry.

388

Lorensen

Responds that he will get the figures and states that timber employment has been greatly reduced from previous levels.

410

Rep. Nelson

Asserts that this legislation is prudent and necessary.

430

Lorensen

Responds to the difficulty in addressing all the trade offs to formulate good policy.

TAPE 47, B

027

Chair Kropf

Refers to Lorensen’s written testimony and asks why projects must be held up.

031

Lorensen

Addresses the difficulties in dealing with the eco-system.

044

Chair Kropf

Asks about the most important of the proposed rule-changes.

048

Lorensen

States that these changes deal with process and method. States that when the rules are processed, he will supply them for the committee.

055

Chair Kropf

Asks for the biscuit fire report.

059

Lorensen

States that Chair Kropf’s ballpark figure is probably pretty close to reality.

066

Chair Kropf

Restates his desire for the figures.

071

Rep. Hunt

Asks if board feet is from federal lands.

077

Lorensen

Answers that the given figure is for the entire state.

082

Rep. Hunt

Asks if language has been drafted or is in the process.

085

Lorensen

Addresses the amendment and the findings and notes some adornments could be added.

103

Saperstein

Boise-Cascade.  Comments on previous testimony and concerns.

120

Rep. Nelson

Asks if Saperstein worked on the plan.

122

Saperstein

States that he worked against the plan.

126

Chair Kropf

Asks for confirmation that current federal policy has failed miserably for the State of Oregon.

143

Saperstein

Notes that the figures include western Washington.

150

Chair

Asks if we could get to one million board feet.

155

Saperstein

Responds not soon.

167

Rep. Nelson

Suggests that we wouldn’t have a school funding problem if we could solve this problem.

173

Chair Kropf

States that the formula for the distribution of dollars has been changed.  Closes the public hearing on HJM 6 and opens a work session on    HJM 6.

The following  prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony for HJM 6.

 

Jim Geisinger

Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT E).

HJM 6 – WORK SESSION

178

Chair Kropf

Asks Rep. Nelson if the language in the bill has been amended.

179

Rep. Nelson

Answers that it has been and notes that it could be further amended on the Senate side.

205

Rep. Nelson

MOTION:  Moves HJM 6 be sent to the floor with a BE ADOPTED recommendation.

206

 

VOTE:  7-0

210

Chair Kropf

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

REP. NELSON will lead discussion on the floor.

214

Chair Kropf

Closes the work session on HJM 6 and opens a public hearing on HB 2754.

HB 2754 – PUBLIC HEARING

205

Ray Kelly

Summarizes HB 2754.

222

John McDonald

Executive Director, Oregon Association of Conservation Districts.  Submits (EXHIBIT F) and testifies in favor of HB 2754, explaining that the bill is adding soil and conservation districts to the list of those who already have authority.

237

Tim Stieber

District Manager, Yamhill Soil and Water Conservation District.  Submits (EXHIBIT G) and testifies in favor of HB 2754.  Notes that he has managed conservation easements and will offer his experiences.

269

MacDonald

Describes the background information on easements.

314

Chair Kropf

Asks MacDonald to define conservation easement for the committee.

316

MacDonald

Describes easement as putting a particular restriction on a piece of property as to how it can be used.

327

Rep. Nelson

Asks if one important reason is the water.

329

MacDonald

Responds that water could be a key consideration.

344

Rep. Nelson

States the importance of grass waterways.

347

MacDonald

Responds to the importance of both grass waterways, as well as conservation districts.

390

Rep. Nelson

Comments that this process is very important and simplifies things with the death of an owner.

402

MacDonald

Answers that there are tax implications and other advantages when the land has a conservation easement.

406

Rep. Wirth

Asks if they are a public or a private district.

417

MacDonald

Replies that they are a public subdivision of state government.

425

Rep. Wirth

Asks why we do not have watershed districts if we have conservation districts.

432

MacDonald

Notes a percentage of the conservation districts are landowners.

462

Rep. Nelson

States that the conservation districts are landowner groups.

463

MacDonald

Answers that it is hard to make that distinction and generally that is true.

TAPE 48, B

006

Rep. Wirth

Inquires whether this bill will allow not only conservation easements but highway scenic easements as well.

010

MacDonald

Replies that he’s not sure.

015

Rep. Nelson

Asks how much land are we protecting.

024

MacDonald

Responds to the different kinds of easements.

039

Rep. Nelson

Asks if we can carry this out without a raise in labor costs.

057

Steiber

Explains his concerns about sustainability.

109

Rep. Nelson

Asks to confirm that we do have the money to do this.

111

Steiber

Answers that we do but we need to reevaluate annually.

120

Rep. Nelson

Asks if that is permanent. 

124

Steiber

Responds that it is, but the easement could be transferred.

130

Rep. Gilman

Asks for a response on the easement being held with the Department of Agriculture.

134

Steiber

Answers that process would work but adds that additional staff would be needed.

141

MacDonald

Adds that the state does not want to get involved in easements.

154

Rep. Smith

Asks if we could do this without the easement.

156

MacDonald

Answers that property could not be held if there was a transfer.  Adds that the easement probably would not go along.

166

Rep. Smith

Asks who advised them of this.

170

MacDonald

Replies that the Attorney General’s Office advised them.

173

Rep. Nelson

Asks if the State of Oregon is already competing with someone in this business.

180

MacDonald

Responds there are many people doing this.

185

Chair Kropf

Adds that he thinks that governmental agencies are responsible.

198

Chuck Craig

Deputy Director, Oregon Department of Agriculture (ODA).  Submits (EXHIBIT H) and (EXHIBIT I) and testifies in favor of HB 2754. Gives legal explanation and states that this bill is a technical correction.

266

Matt Blevins

Legislative Affairs Director, Oregon Environmental Council.  Submits (EXHIBIT K) and testifies in favor of HB 2754.  Explains that soil conservation districts are locally based well established organizations that are normally well respected by landowners

337

Bruce Taylor

Defenders of Wildlife.  Submits (EXHIBIT L) and testifies in favor of HB 2754, providing more options for conservationists

346

Glen Stonebrink

Oregon Cattlemen’s Association.  Submits (EXHIBIT M) and testifies in opposition to HB 2754. 

351

Don Schellenberg

Oregon Farm Bureau (OFB).  States that OFB is in support of this bill.

352

Chair Kropf

Notes the bill needs further discussion before it is passed. Closes the public hearing on HB 2754 and opens a work session.

The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony for HB 2754.

 

Karen Lewotsky

Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT J).

WORK SESSION

354

Rep. Hunt

MOTION:  Moves to SUSPEND the rules for the purpose of RECONSIDER the vote by which on HB 2436 was passed to the floor with a do pass recommendation.

375

 

VOTE:  7-0

377

Chair Kropf

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

379

Rep. Hunt

MOTION:  Moves to RECONSIDER the vote by which HB 2436 was sent to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

408

Chair Kropf

Points to an agreement for an amendment which would be in everyone’s best interest.

418

Rep. Hunt

Responds to Rep. Nelson’s concern, notes the concern for public safety and the desire for consensus.

430

Chair Kropf

Refers to some of the concerns for amendments.

440

Rep. Nelson

Expresses concern for the safety of the public and the potential for weapons in the hands of the wrong people.

Tape 49, A

026

 

VOTE:  7-0

032

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Kropf

The motion CARRIES.

045

Chair Kropf

Closes the work session on HB 2436 and adjourns the meeting at 3:06.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2372, -2 amendments, Rep. Kropf, 1 p.

B – HB 2372, -1 amendments, Rep. Donna Nelson, 1 p.

C – HJM 6, written testimony, Rep. Donna Nelson, 12 pp.

D – HJM 6, written testimony, Ted Lorensen, 3 pp.

E – HJM 6, written testimony, Jim Geisinger, 1 p.

F – HB 2754, written testimony, John MacDonald, 2 pp.

G – HB 2754, written testimony, Tim Stieber, 1 p.

H – HB 2754, written testimony, Chuck Craig, 1 p.

I – HB 2754, written material, Chuck Craig, 2 pp.

K – HB 2754, written material, Matt Blevins, 45 pp.

L – HB 2754, written testimony, Sara Vickerman, 1 p.

M – HB 2436, written testimony, Glen Stonebrink, 1 p.

 

The following exhibit is listed out of order in the body of the tape log:

 

J – HB 2754, written testimony, Karen Lewotsky, 2 pp.