HOUSE COMMITTEE ON

AGRICULTURE AND NATURAL RESOURCES

 

 

April 01, 2003 Hearing Room D

1:00 PM  Tapes 52 - 54

 

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Jeff Kropf, Chair

Rep. George Gilman, Vice-Chair

Rep. Kelley Wirth, Vice-Chair

Rep. Terry Beyer

Rep. Dave Hunt

Rep. Donna Nelson

Rep. Patti Smith

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Ray Kelly, Committee Administrator

David Peffley, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     HB 3232 - Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                HB 3252 – Public Hearing

HB 2957 – Public Hearing

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 52, A

OO4

Chair Kropf

Calls the meeting to order at 1:36.  Announces that Vice-Chair Wirth will serve as the Chair for the day.

022

Vice-Chair Wirth

Opens a public hearing on HB 3232.

HB 3232 – PUBLIC HEARING

030

Senator Harper

Announces support for HB 3232. 

040

Representative Alan Brown

Co-sponsor, announces support for HB 3232.  States that this bill would create a great deal of needed revenue.

054

Chair Kropf

Asks how much the current raffle is producing.

057

Rep. Brown

Responds that he doesn’t know the figures involved.

084

Al Elkins

Submits (EXHIBIT A) and testifies in support of HB 3232 as the funding is vital and this program would continue such funding.

100

Ron Anglin

Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW).  Submits (EXHIBIT B) and testifies in support of HB 3232, as this program has generated over $1 million and will continue to generate a great deal of revenue.

168

Rep. Nelson

Asks about the population for both mountain goats and antelope.

173

Anglin

Responds with the present populations.

177

Rep. Beyer

Asks how much it generally costs to enter the raffle.

181

Anglin

Responds that raffles for bighorn sheep vary and that antelope raffles go for $5.

189

Rep. Beyer

Asks how much they anticipate charging for the two new species.

191

Anglin

States that the commission has yet to discuss the prices. 

205

Rep. Beyer

Asks about fiscal impact.

208

Anglin

States that he’ll have to get back with the committee.

212

Chair Kropf

Asks how the revenue will be used.

215

Anglin

Responds to the direction of the dedication of dollars.

229

Chair Kropf

Asks about FTE.

233

Anglin

States that they would not need any additional personnel.

238

Rep. Nelson

Asks how the auctions are handled.

241

Anglin

Speaks to the process of the auction.

271

Jerod Broadfoot

Safari Club International.  Affirms support for HB 3232.  Notes that hunters are stepping forward to pay their share for wildlife management.

315

Vice-Chair Wirth

Closes the public hearing on HB 3232 and opens a public hearing on HB 3252.

HB 3252 – PUBLIC HEARING

326

Ray Kelly

Summarizes HB 3252.

341

Rep. Nelson

Submits (EXHIBIT C) and testifies in support of her bill, HB 3252, in that it is a viable source of revenue and also accomplishes a myriad of important objectives.

444

Vice-Chair Wirth

Asks Rep. Nelson’s opinion about the passage of fee bills in general.

TAPE 53, A

005

Rep. Nelson

States that she never signed a pledge that she wouldn’t vote for fee bills.

014

Rep. Hunt

Asks how Rep. Nelson arrived at the proposed fee numbers.

019

Rep. Nelson

States that she didn’t want to further restrain the citizens of Oregon and that’s why the figure is so low.

026

Rep. Hunt

Asks about the non-resident fees.

031

Rep. Nelson

States that she doesn’t want to discourage out of state residents.

041

Shirley Lauviolette

Nehalem Bay Fisher.  Submits (EXHIBIT D) and testifies against    HB 3252.  Asks whether a study was conducted on the effects on local businesses which may be affected by this bill.

250

Rep. Nelson

Clarifies the differences between this bill and that put forth by Senators Dukes and Beyer.  Asks Laurolette about the surcharges.

271

Lauviolette

States her understanding of the surcharges.

281

Rep. Nelson

Asks if the vendors keep revenue for selling the licenses. 

288

Lauviolette

States that they do keep $1.50 for each license they sell.

293

Rep. Nelson

Asks what Laurolette needs to make this bill so that it wouldn’t affect their business adversely.

295

Lauviolette

Talks about seasonal differences in the money taken.

320

Rep. Nelson

Asks what would make this viable for her business.

326

Lauviolette

States that it wouldn’t make up for the lost revenue. Affirms that        HB 3252 might be an acceptable concept for clams, but definitely not for crabs, due in part to unenforceability.

353

Rep. Nelson

States that the same would hold true for fishing licenses.

365

Lauviolette

Asserts that the situation would be different, that confusion would ensue.

376

Brendan McCarthy

Addresses the issue of the surcharge and the agent fee as stated in the statutes.

422

Rep. Nelson

Asks McCarthy to elaborate on the agent fee.

426

McCarthy

States that the fee is in the statute, but not in the proposed legislation.

448

Rep. Nelson

Asks how much the agent fee would be.

450

McCarthy

Asserts that he believes that it’s $1.50.

TAPE 52, B

002

Kay Brown

Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife (ODFW). Affirms that the fee would be $1.50.

010

Rep. Nelson

Asks how much the seller of the license is allowed to keep.

013

Brown

States that she can’t recall.

016

Rep. Nelson

Questions the fiscal assessment on the staff measure summary.

020

Ray Kelly

Testifies as to the fiscal impact of the bill.

041

Ruth Agresti

Walla Walla, Washington, marina owner. Testifies that they would not come to Oregon to hunt crabs if they had to pay a fee. States that a fee would negatively impact local businesses.

087

Rep. Nelson

Asks what a crab ring costs.

092

Ron Agresti

States that it costs $6 and might possibly come with a $2 rebate. Reaffirms previous testimony that this bill will hurt local businesses. 

135

Rep. Nelson

Asks what would make this worthwhile to work this bill out.

149

Ron Agresti

States that they’d have to work it out, but maybe combine it with a fishing license.

156

Rep. Nelson

Restates the problem for Judi James to address.

166

Judi James

Legislative Fiscal.  Speaks to angling license fees.

195

Rep. Nelson

Asks for confirmation on the fiscal impact.

215

James

States that the figures have not been arrived at.

220

Peter Roscoe

Friends of Razor Clams, Astoria.  States that the fee is very insignificant and supports the revenue to come from this bill.

275

Bob Jacobson

Submits (EXHIBIT E) and (EXHIBIT F) and testifies with strong support for HB 3252.  References the Shellfish Advisory Committee’s report of the Shellfish License Citizen’s Committee and their findings. Recommends a possible rewording of the bill, however.

414

Rep. Nelson

Asks if the committee addressed seniors and veterans in the committee.

428

Jacobson

States that they didn’t, but that they did address children’s licensing.

440

Rep. Nelson

Asks if automation was discussed.

TAPE 53, B

004

Jacobson

Notes that automated machines are available.

008

VC Wirth

Recesses the public hearing on HB 3252 and opens a work session on HB 3232.

HB 3232- WORK SESSION

016

Rep. Kropf

MOTION:  Moves HB 3232 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation and BE REFERRED to the committee on Ways and Means by prior reference.

022

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

026

Chair Garrard

The motion CARRIES.

027

Vice-Chair Wirth

Closes the work session on HB 3252 and reopens a work session on     HB 3252. 

HB 3252 – PUBLIC HEARING

045

Vice-Chair Wirth

Recesses the public hearing on HB 3252 opens a public hearing on       HB 2957.

HB 2957 – PUBLIC HEARING

055

Darcy Cronin

Submits (EXHIBIT G) and testifies in opposition to HB 2957 in order to protect the right to know about genetically-engineered foods. 

081

Vice-Chair Wirth

Closes the public hearing on HB 2957 and reopens a public hearing on HB 3252.

HB 3252 – PUBLIC HEARING

090

Dennis Richey

Oregon Anglers.  Testifies in support of HB 3252 and states that anglers believe that this fee is long overdue.  Testifies that Washington’s fees are far more costly.

100

Patty Burke

Manager, Marine Resources Program, ODFW.  Submits        (EXHIBIT H), (EXHIBIT I), and (EXHIBIT J) and supplies neutral testimony regarding HB 3252.

154

Rep. Nelson

Asks Burke where she came up with the fiscal figure.

156

Burke

States that ODFW economists came up with the economic impact.  Speaks to the costs of the crabs and clams in terms of impact.  Discusses needed programs to responsibly manage the shellfish industry.

250

Dave Cleary

Oregon State Police, Fish and Wildlife Division.  Submits    (EXHIBIT K) and expresses concern with the definition of shellfish and also to the resident exemption.

290

Phil Donovan

Northwest Sportfishing Association.  Submits (EXHIBIT L) and states that sportsmen support this legislation.  Asserts the value to bringing in financial resources and how this bill can help in this process.  

370

Ron McKay

Food Safety Division, Oregon Department of Agriculture (ODA).  Submits (EXHIBIT M) and testifies in favor of HB 3252, but urges that revenues be used to support the entire shellfish program.

388

Rep. Nelson

Asks for ODA’s cost for this program.

390

McKay

Replies that the costs vary, depending on the program.  Notes that $250,000 is an approximate figure.

401

Rep. Nelson

Asks if that figure includes OSP.

402

McKay

Replies that it does not.

405

Wayne Van Dyke

Testifies with strong support for HB 3252.  Points out that the proposed license has nothing to do with food, but rather with recreation and states that crabbing compares favorably with the price of other forms of recreation. 

TAPE 54, A

002

Chair Kropf

Asks Cleary if there is any funding to help OSP with enforcement.

007

Cleary

Responds to the funding mechanisms.

012

Chair Kropf

Asks about the costs involved with this program.

020

Cleary

References Patty Burke’s exhibits and notes that due to revenue cutbacks, they would have to add two FTE and that it would cost about $185 thousand.

028

Jean Lauviolette

Part owner, Jetty Fishery, Nehalem.  Explains his crabbing business.  Discusses drag nets and the commercial crabber as they relate to the inequity of the system in opposition to HB 3252. 

111

Rep. Nelson

Asks how many pounds of crab could one catch in a boat.

119

Lauviolette

Speaks to the costs and limits for a day of crabbing.

150

Vice-Chair Wirth

Closes the public hearing on HB 3252 and adjourns the meeting at 3:40 PM.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 3232, written testimony, Al Elkins, 1 p.

B – HB 3232, written testimony, Ron Anglin, 4 pp.

C – HB 3252, written testimony, Rep. Donna Nelson, 2 pp.

D – HB 3252, written testimony, Shirley Lauviolette, 34 pp.

E – HB 3252, written testimony, Bob Jacobson, 2 pp.

F – HB 3252, written testimony, Bob Jacobson, 5 pp.

G – HB 2957, written testimony, Darcy Cronin, 1 p.

H – HB 3252, written information, Patty Burke, 1 p.

I – HB 3252, written information, Patty Burke, 8 pp.

J – HB 3252, written information, Patty Burke, 50 pp.

K – HB 3252, written testimony, David Cleary, 3 pp.               

L – HB 3252, written testimony, Phil Donovan, 1 p.

M – HB 3252, written testimony, Ron McKay, 1 p.