HOUSE COMMITTEE ON

BUSINESS, LABOR AND CONSUMER AFFAIRS

 

 

April 02, 2003 Hearing Room E

8:30 A.M. Tapes  75 - 78

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Betsy Close, Chair

Rep. Derrick Kitts, Vice-Chair

Rep. Diane Rosenbaum, Vice-Chair

Rep. Mary Gallegos

Rep. Bill Garrard

Rep. Jeff Merkley

Rep. Mike Schaufler

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Megan Palau, Committee Administrator

Mike Reiley, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            HB 3063 – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                HB 3097 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2779 – Public Hearing

HB 2908 – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                HB 3130 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 75, A

003

Chair Close

Calls meeting to order at 8:33 a.m. Opens public hearing on HB 3063.

HB 3063 – PUBLIC HEARING

010

Megan Palau

Committee Administrator. Summarizes HB 3063.

015

Rep. Jerry Krummel

House District 26. Testifies in support of HB 3063.

035

Dan Ruediger

Sherwood. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony (EXHIBIT A).

110

Rep. Schaufler

Asks what provoked need for issue to be addressed.

122

Ruediger

Explains issue and necessity for remedy.

135

Rep. Krummel

Discusses proposed amendments.

172

Chair Close

Closes public hearing on HB 3063. Opens work session on HB 3063.

HB 3063 – WORK SESSION

180

Rep. Rosenbaum

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3063-1 amendments dated 3/25/03 (EXHIBIT B).

 

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Close

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

185

Rep. Rosenbaum

MOTION:  Moves HB 3063 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

190

Rep. Gallegos

Asks about inserting emergency clause.

192

Chair Close

Expresses concern that legislative timeframe may be too short to address issue in committee.

200

Rep. Krummel

Suggests that amendments be made in Senate committee.

 

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Close

The motion CARRIES.

REP. KRUMMEL will lead discussion on the floor.

215

Chair Close

Closes work session on HB 3063. Opens public hearing on HB 3097.

HB 3097 – PUBLIC HEARING

212

Chair Close

Closes public hearing on HB 3097. Opens public hearing on HB 2779.

HB 2779 – PUBLIC HEARING

220

Megan Palau

Committee Administrator. Summarizes HB 2779.

230

John Killin

Director of Government Affairs, Associated Builders and Contractors, Inc. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony in support of HB 2779 (EXHIBIT C).

275

Rick Thomas

Executive Director, Independent Electrical Contractors of Oregon. Testifies in support of HB 2779.

309

Dean Glover

Hunter-Davison. Testifies in support of HB 2779.

TAPE 76, A

011

Rep. Schaufler

Speaks in favor of apprenticeship programs. Asks for explanations of problems with apprenticeship programs that led to HB 2779.

026

Killin

Concurs that apprenticeship programs are successful. Describes issues that led to HB 2779.

039

Rep. Rosenbaum

Asks if HB 2779 would make it impossible for Oregon to have higher standards than federal standards.

048

Thomas

Explains apprenticeship programs in Oregon and state and federal standards.

057

Rep. Garrard

Asks how many apprenticeship programs meet federal standards, but are denied by state of Oregon.

060

Thomas

Explains standards for apprenticeship programs.

065

Garrard

Asks for clarification of standards for apprenticeship program.

070

Thomas

Offers clarification of standards for apprenticeships programs.

075

Killin

Offers additional clarification of standards.

085

Dan Gardner

Commissioner, Bureau of Labor and Industries. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony in opposition to HB 2779 (EXHIBIT D).

155

Chair Close

Asks about lawsuits regarding compliance with provisions for apprenticeship programs.

160

Gardner

Responds.

180

Rep. Garrard

Asks if there is union bias regarding apprenticeship programs.

181

Gardner

Answers that he does not know.

192

Rep. Gallegos

Asks about public expenditure for apprenticeship programs.

196

Gardner

Explains funding of apprenticeship programs.

212

Rep. Gallegos

Asks if there is public expenditure with apprenticeship programs.

215

Gardner

Explains public expenditures and funding.

238

Rep. Gallegos

Asks for further information about expenditures.

256

Bob Shiprack

Executive Secretary, Oregon Building Trades Council. Testifies in opposition to HB 2779. Explains importance of apprenticeship programs.

300

Bob Kimes

Training Director, Plumbers and Steamfitters, Local 290. Testifies in opposition to HB 2779.

321

Dan Campbell

Training Director, Central Electric Training Center. Testifies in opposition to HB 2779.

356

Chair Close

Asks about situation of six month timeframe for developing apprenticeship program south of Eugene.

360

Shiprack

Notes that committee meets quarterly and process for approval took two meetings.

379

Jessica Harris

Associated General Contractors (AGC). Testifies in support of HB 2779.

TAPE 75, B

002

Dan Graham

Workforce Manager, AGC. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony in support of HB 2779 (EXHIBIT M).

033

Harlow Harris

Bricklayer. Testifies in support of HB 2779.

060

Graham

Explains apprenticeship programs at community colleges.

071

Rep. Schaufler

States that issue is about money. Asks if wages are equal in union and non-union apprenticeship programs.

084

Graham

Answers that non-union program wages are higher than union wages.

097

Terry Hatch

Oregon Pacific Cascade Chapter, National Electrical Contractors Association. Testifies in opposition to HB 2779.

121

Jerry Galarneau

Training Director, Sheet Metal Apprenticeship, Portland. Testifies in opposition to HB 2779.

144

Chris Davis

Oregon/Southwest Washington Cement Masons Apprenticeship. Testifies in opposition to HB 2779.

166

Chair Close

Closes public hearing on HB 2779. Opens public hearing on HB 2908.

HB 2908 – PUBLIC HEARING

170

Megan Palau

Committee Administrator. Summarizes HB 2908.

174

Rep. Billy Dalto

House District 21. Testifies in support of HB 2908.

195

John Powell

State Farm Insurance. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony in support of HB 2908 (EXHIBIT E).

280

Rep. Schaufler

States support for concept.

300

Chair Close

Closes public hearing on HB 2908. Opens work session on HB 2908.

HB 2908 – WORK SESSION

 

Rep. Garrard

MOTION:  Moves HB 2908 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

 

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Close

The motion CARRIES.

REP. ROSENBAUM will lead discussion on the floor.

320

Chair Close

Closes work session on HB 2908. Opens public hearing on HB 3130.

HB 3130 – PUBLIC HEARING

325

Megan Palau

Committee Administrator. Summarizes HB 3130.

342

Peter Graepel

OLCC Agent #193, Eugene. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony in support of HB 3130 (EXHIBIT F).

TAPE 76, B

001

Chair Close

Asks how long Mr. Graepel has been in liquor industry.

003

Graepel

Answers that he has been in industry since 1978.

005

Rep. Rosenbaum

Asks if HB 3130 would make liquor cheaper or more accessible to Oregonians.

008

Graepel

Explains how bill would be implemented.

023

Rep. Merkley

Asks if HB 3130 would allow hard liquor sales in grocery stores.

026

Graepel

Answers that bill is not specific.

030

Matt Lowe

Attorney, O’Donnell and Clark. Testifies in support of HB 3130.

081

Rep. Garrard

Asks if issue with HB 3130 is employer/employee relationship.

085

Lowe

Explains his opinion of HB 3130.

094

Rep. Garrard

Asks for further clarification of intention of HB 3130.

098

Lowe

Clarifies intention and impact of HB 3130.

108

Rep. Garrard

Asks if passage of HB 3130 would affect lawsuit of Mr. Lowe.

111

Lowe

Answers that it would negate lawsuit.

113

Rep. Schaufler

Asks how many agents are in Oregon and how many want to eliminate Oregon Liquor Control Commission (OLCC).

115

Graepel

Answers that there are 240 agents in Oregon and explains operations under OLCC.

140

Chair Close

Asks how many states have gone to privatization.

142

Graepel

Answers that there are 18 control states, more than half of which have private retail systems.

152

Chair Close

Asks what liquor privilege taxes would be.

154

Graepel

Explains taxes on liquor sales and distribution.

160

Rep. Merkley

Asks about effect of HB 3130 on agents purchasing liquor.

173

Graepel

Explains that there is work to be done to improve system.

178

Rep. Merkley

Asks what other changes should be made to HB 3130.

180

Graepel

Explains changes that should be made.

200

Karen Gregory

Interim Director, OLCC. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony in opposition to HB 3130 (EXHIBIT G).

245

Bill George

OLCC Agent. Testifies in opposition to HB 3130.

312

Judy Cushing

President, CEO, Oregon Partnership. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony in opposition to HB 3130 (EXHIBIT H).

392

Eric Winters

Oregon Free Spirits Coalition. Testifies in support of HB 3130.

TAPE 77, A

046

Richard Burke

Executive Director, Libertarian Party of Oregon. Testifies in support of HB 3130.

090

Chair Close

Asks how privatization would affect businesses.

092

Burke

Explains how it would affect various establishments differently. Argues that OLCC should be abolished.

122

Frank Siegler

Founder, Oregon Wine Market. Testifies in support of HB 3130.

165

Mark Karson

Liquor Store Owner. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony in support of HB 3130 (EXHIBIT I).

274

Thomas Matthews

Submits and summarizes prepared testimony in support of HB 3130 (EXHIBIT J).

339

Paul Romain

Oregon Beer and Wine Distributors Association. Testifies in opposition to HB 3130.

395

Mary Botkin

American Federation of State and Municipal Employees. Testifies in opposition to HB 3130.

TAPE 78, A

026

Jason Williams

Executive Director, Taxpayer Association of Oregon. Submits and summarizes prepared testimony in support of HB 3130 (EXHIBIT K).

Written testimony submitted by Michelle Deister, League of Oregon Cities, in opposition to HB 3130 (EXHIBIT L).

057

Chair Close

Closes public hearing on HB 3130. Adjourns meeting at 10:58 a.m.

Written testimony submitted by Gordon Fultz, Policy Manager, Association of Oregon Counties, in opposition to HB 3130 (EXHIBIT N).

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 3063, written testimony, Dan Ruediger, 9 pp.

B – HB 3063, -1 amendment, staff, 1 p.

C – HB 2779, written testimony, John Killin, 4 pp.

D – HB 2779, written testimony, Dan Gardner, 6 pp.

E – HB 2908, written testimony and information, John Powell, 7 pp.

F – HB 3130, written testimony, Peter Graepel, 1 p.

G – HB 3130, written testimony, Karen Gregory, 5 pp.

H – HB 3130, written testimony, Judy Cushing, 3 pp.

I – HB 3130, written testimony, Mark Karson, 3 pp.

J – HB 3130, written testimony, Thomas Matthews, 2 pp.

K – HB 3130, written testimony, Jason Williams, 1 p.

L – HB 3130, written testimony, Michelle Deister, 1 p.

M – HB 2779, written testimony, Dan Graham, 2 pp.

N – HB 3130, written testimony and information, Gordon Fultz, 20 pp.