HOUSE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

January 27, 2003   Hearing Room E

1:00 PM   Tapes  9 - 10

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Vic Backlund, Chair

Rep. Pat Farr, Vice-Chair

Rep. Elaine Hopson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Billy Dalto

Rep. Mary Nolan

Rep. Wayne Scott

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Jim Keller, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

ISSUES HEARD:                       Informational Meeting

                                                -Overview of community colleges presented by Andrea Henderson.

-Overview of the Oregon University System (OUS) presented by Richard Jarvis, Chancellor.

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 9, A

004

Chair Backlund

Calls meeting to order at 1:07 PM. Welcomes audience and presenters. Opens informational meeting on educational issues.

INFORMATIONAL MEETING

012

Andrea Henderson

Executive Director Community College Association. Introduces herself.

017

Cam Preus-Braly

Commissioner, Oregon Department of Community Colleges and Workforce Development. Begins presentation (EXHIBIT A). Provides picture of those served by community colleges.

037

Chair Backlund

Presumes the statistic in (EXHIBIT A) concerning minority students is growing.

039

Preus-Braly

Agrees.

041

Rep. Hopson

Asks how the statistic compares with the demographic percentages of the state by group.

047

Preus-Braly

Responds that she can find out.  

055

Rep. Hopson

Asks what the cause for the decrease in average student age can be attributed to.

059

Preus-Braly

Remarks that it is early to say, but the increase of freshman and transfer students is a contributor.

066

Gretchen Schuette

President, Chemeketa Community College (CCC). Adds to that.

074

Preus-Braly

Continues presentation with regard to enrollment in the nineteen nineties. Details enrollment with regard to programs.

089

Rep. Dalto

Requests an example of a lower division transfer student.

090

Preus-Braly

Explains it is a student preparing to transfer to four-year university. Explains that process.

097

Chair Backlund

Requests examples of adult basic skills.

099

Preus-Braly

Lists English as a Second Language (ESL), General Equivalency Diploma (GED), and students not ready for collegiate work as participants in the program.

108

Schuette

Explains charter of community colleges. Elaborates on the type of student served by community colleges. Explains program enrollment further by category.

158

Rep. Dalto

Asks if trends in student enrollment are due to economic struggles and to preparing students for professional jobs.

160

Schuette

States the increased need in technical training is a clear trend and adds there have been changes in the specific skills students need.

173

Rep. Dalto

Wonders if those considering another career also look to community colleges.

177

Schuette

Agrees that community colleges play an important role in those fields. Points out the average age of community college students reflects the needs for this type of education with regard to achieving certain skills. Continues presentation of program enrollment. States that those who take one class often realize the value of gaining more skills at the community college level. Details partnerships and subsequent enrollment. Explains how community colleges assist in circumstances employment and displaced workers.

275

Preus-Braly

Overviews community college governance. Breaks down funding sources prior to Ballot Measure Five (1989-90) and funding for 2001-2003. Provides the cost of attending.

336

Rep. Dalto

Requests if there is a sense as to the actual cost overall for providing the education.

349

Preus-Braly

Responds that was studied and based on those figures, estimated cost per average full-time enrollee was somewhere around $5,000.

364

Rep. Dalto

Requests the number for two and four year programs.

369

Preus-Braly

Adds that cost differs greatly depending on the program.

379

Rep. Dalto

Clarifies tuition levels.

385

Preus-Braly

Explains costs is on a per credit hour basis, and that students pay the same.

TAPE 10, A

006

Henderson

Continues presentation on student financial aid. Mentions current budget for community colleges and its allocation.

020

Chair Backlund

Clarifies the figures are for 2003-2005.

021

Henderson

Affirms.

027

Chair Backlund

Inquires about Ballot Measure 28 impact on budget for 2001-2003.

029

Henderson

Explains how the college prepared for the cuts and the impact that has occurred.

077

Richard Jarvis

Chancellor, Oregon University System (OUS). Introduces himself and provides educational background. Provides information on the OUS system (EXHIBIT B). States that the OUS system is a fine one. Adds that it needs to be maintained. Explains the funding threatens a quality of education. Details enrollments in OUS and how it is inverted towards funding. Explains how the Oregon Opportunity Grant is declining.

141

Chair Backlund

Asks if those capable of attending college are able to.

144

Jarvis

Replies that with a substantial amount of debt burden provided by financial aid loans a student can attend.

147

Jarvis

Compares difference in funding between Oregon and Washington State.

173

Rep. Farr

Requests if Washington State colleges have other sources of income,

175

Jarvis

Replies that both states do in the form of private fundraising for scholarships. Points out that the challenge among the public is that they already pay the state to fund the schools.

189

Rep. Farr

Asks if some of the money raised by OUS is spent on grants.

193

Jarvis

Affirms and adds that the problem is providing not only need-based, but merit-based aid for the student body schools seek to acquire.

201

Rep. Nolan

Requests Mr. Jarvis to address the issue of grant accessibility to students.

203

Jarvis

States Oregon leads the West in tuition rates. Point out that those not considered to be needy have an even greater burden.

230

Rep. Farr

Asks if it is a ‘bargain’ for out of state residents to attend school in Oregon.

234

Jarvis

Responds that the goal is to make it a value, but not a ‘bargain’. Explains that out-of-state residents provide the excess funds and OUS pushes those to find what market will bare.

237

Avakian

Inquires if it is less expensive for Oregon students to attend out-of-state.

239

Jarvis

Responds that would be rather surprising as other states are also raising out-of-state tuition costs, but will find that out. Switches topic to infrastructural financial aid. Explains one method used to continue high student enrollment is to defer maintenance. Notes $500 million in backlog maintenance. Reiterates the need to maintain quality. Highlights measurement of accountability and performance. States four goals of Oregon public universities. Informs of how OUS serves the state. Illustrates the drivers for enrollment. Begins explanation of revenue.

TAPE 9, B

003

Jarvis

Continues presentation. Highlights the Resource Allocation Model (RAM) and its components. Illustrates OUS “peer groups” to explain the quality funding index. Shows the committee the funding targets and elaborates on the recent history of the targets.

071

Rep. Hopson

Asks that in determining a median that like schools were used.

078

Jarvis

Concurs and explains there was a consistent set of comparisons with the peers included in the group. Voices concern that as OUS drops below that median, it will no longer belong in that peer. Summarizes earlier topics.

109

Jarvis

Shows how access is denied in the OUS. Explains how it stretches out the cost to student, and cost to the community because students may have been unable to complete their program. Details the increases in cost of attendance. 

163

Jarvis

Begins a description of a program OUS has created to assist challenges in the form of a partnership.

196

Rep. Avakian

Clarifies the term ‘fair share analogy’.

201

Jarvis

Explains it as trying to establish a relationship between the state and resident undergraduates.  Adds OUS is requesting that the state contribution remain at 50%. Believes it is important for states to make necessary commitment to that so the ratio refrains from becoming unfair to students.

221

Rep. Avakian

Inquires if, in an ideal situation OUS would want the state to provide even more making it a “fairer” share for residents.

225

Jarvis

Affirms.

229

Rep. Dalto

Understands that tuition is about half of what state is providing for.

231

Jarvis

Affirms and adds that is for resident undergraduates only.

245

Jarvis

Highlights goals and performance indicators laid out and how OUS can perform at a higher level if funding increases. States they will put them into quantifiable standards for the state. Elaborates on the state and OUS requirements of the plan. Summarizes presentation.

357

Rep. Dalto

Requests the total for backlog of maintenance in OUS.

358

Jarvis

Answers $500 million.

360

Chair Backlund

Poses question regarding the past admissions system.

361

Jarvis

States OUS would like to see students more successful and adds he will return with more information.

390

Rep. Avakian

Asks Mr. Jarvis to explain his last statement.

395

Jarvis

Explains the attempt to better align competencies of high school and college.

410

Rep. Avakian

Asks if nothing exists to serve that function currently.

415

Jarvis

States he does not have that information currently, but will return.

425

Chair Backlund

Closes informational meeting. Adjourns at 2:31 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – Informational, OCC, Andrea Henderson, 8 pp

B – Informational, OUS, Richard Jarvis, 41 pp