HOUSE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

February 10, 2003   Hearing Room E

1:00 PM Tapes  21 - 23

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Vic Backlund, Chair

Rep. Pat Farr, Vice-Chair

Rep. Elaine Hopson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Billy Dalto

Rep. Mary Nolan

Rep. Wayne Scott

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Jim Keller, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD: Informational Meeting

                                                Estimated Costs of the Certificate of Initial Mastery (CIM) and the    Certificate of Advanced Mastery (CAM)

                                                -Frank McNamara, Confederation of Oregon School Administrators 

                                                -Doug Nelson, Bend-LaPine School District

                                                -Ron Naso, North Clackamas School District

                                                -Nancy Heiligman, Oregon Department of Education

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 21, A

004

Chair Backlund

Calls meeting to order at 1:05 PM. Welcomes colleagues and the audience. Opens informational meeting on costs of the Certificate of Initial Mastery (CIM) and the Certificate of Advanced Mastery (CAM).

OPENS INFORMATIONAL MEETING

015

Susan Castillo

Superintendent, ODE. Statement on CIM/CAM. Wishes to clear up inconsistencies in cost estimates fro CIM/CAM. Estimates the figure at around $50 Million.

045

Frank McNamara

Confederation of Oregon School Administrators (COSA). Provides overview of the costs of CIM/CAM. Refers committee to survey of school districts on CIM/CAM elimination (EXHIBIT A). 

123

Doug Nelson

Superintendent, Bend-LaPine School District. Presents (EXHIBITS B and C).  States they do not believe eliminating CIM/CAM will be cost effective. Explains the ways that data provided by CIM/CAM is pertinent. Uses R.E. Jewell Elementary School to illustrate the importance of CIM Standards. States CAM is cost effective in high-school reform and explains why.

222

Chair Backlund

Asks if he believes CAM elimination could represent a savings.

236

Nelson

States they are already practicing these standards and will continue to.

242

Chair Backlund

Asks if he views individualized education  plans favorably.

244

Nelson

Affirms and adds they assist students, teachers, and parents to reach their goals.

249

Chair Backlund

Inquires as to time spent on these programs.

251

Nelson

Uses LaPine High School as an example of cam implementation. States students meet weekly with a guide group teacher and earn credit for doing so.

264

Chair Backlund

Appreciates how helpful his information has been.

272

Ron Naso

Superintendent, North Clackamas School District (NCSD). Presents North Clackamas School Board resolution with regard to CIM/CAM (EXHIBIT D). Provides their progress as a school district can be credited to CIM standards. Points out that CIM/CAM costs have been grossly overstated. Lists savings for the NCSD if CIM/CAM was to be eliminated.

388

Rep. Hopson

Seems to her that attributed costs for CIM/CAM programs would have been created in some form anyway.

392

Naso

Explains that if programs had not been required they would not have been instituted. 

TAPE 22, A

003

Rep. Hopson

Clarifies cost interpretation of COSA survey.

009

McNamara

Affirms her interpretation.

011

Rep. Hopson

Concludes that cost is well worth the program.

017

Naso

Concurs, stating it is priceless.

020

Rep. Hopson

Clarifies the breakdown of funds.

023

Naso

Affirms.

024

Nelson

Adds that he concurs with this.

030

McNamara

Responds regarding (EXHIBIT A) and adds that they believe the issue is one of time.  Adds that this is a best practice. Remarks that if CIM/CAM is eliminated it will only be recreated in some form.

045

Naso

Comments on the investment of time in these standards.    

069

Rep. Dalto

Asks if the investment of time is accounted for in the budget figures provided.

073

Naso

Understands that the question was what savings there would be if the program went away.

080

Rep. Dalto

Asks why in-service days were not included.

083

Naso

Explains they cannot eliminate those days, they will have to be retained anyway. Supposes a sort of audit could be used. Adds that this reading would be false.

094

Rep. Hopson

Points out the additional support of other superintendents.

102

Nelson

Adds to Superintendent Naso’s comments.  Believes the CIM/CAM provide a focus that makes planning more effective providing a quality education for every child.

125

McNamara

Comments that there are districts who have sent data in that were not included in this survey. Lists Portland and summarizes their comments.

155

Nancy Heiligman

ODE. Refers the committee to (EXHIBIT E). Explains how ODE created their analysis of CIM/CAM. Provides the savings they believe will be achieved by the elimination of CIM/CAM. Presents key findings of the study. States ODE sees that elimination of the programs would not involve savings as programs are incorporated into curriculum. Refers the committee to the statewide annual cost estimates for CIM/CAM on page three of (EXHIBIT E). Overviews the remainder of the document.

294

Chair Backlund

Clarifies these estimates are annual.

295

Heiligman

Affirms.

305

Rep. Hopson

Questions a figure presented in the estimate.

310

Heiligman

Responds.

312

Rep. Dalto

Clarifies this further.

320

Heiligman

Responds.

334

Steve Shoppe

Citizen of Tualatin. Calls committee attention to the relevancy of CIM/CAM with regard to cost. Reads a news brief from North Clackamas School District to illustrate his opinion on CIM/CAM. Believes the public does not support the CIM/CAM although they do support education.      

TAPE 21, B

002

Shoppe

Reads an opinion letter of teachers’ views on CIM/CAM.  Comments on the relevance of CIM/CAM in college application and studies. Does not believe that superintendent figures should be solely utilized to estimate costs of CIM/CAM. Relates other national test scores to concentration on CIM/CAM. Urges the committee to consider public opinion when considering reform. Points out safeguards abandoned when first considering CIM/CAM.    

100

Rep. Dalto

States he struggles with issues of CIM/CAM. Asks where the concerned citizens are not speaking up.

123

Shoppe

Responds that people are reluctant to come against administration views. Believes

135

Rep. Dalto

Voices concern that these opposing views are not being shared with legislators.

144

Shoppe

Responds that teachers do not wish to become advocates. Believes it is unnecessarily hard to compete with administrative opinion.

160

Rep. Dalto

Informs him teachers that support CIM/CAM have come in to testify. Asks if the large groups of teachers exist.

165

Shoppe

Affirms.

182

Rep. Avakian

Adds validity to their committee process by stating the extensive nature of response regarding CIM/CAM in his district.

192

Rep. Farr

Comments that he has heard both sides on this issue. Assures Mr. Shoppe of their confidence as legislators in finding the right answer.

214

Bonnie Hill

English teacher, Elsie High School. Testifies in favor of CIM/CAM. Addresses the cost of CIM/CAM to her district. Believes that many aspects of CIM/CAM such as writing have been well established and practiced in schools. Reviews the history of the CIM from a teacher’s perspective. Voices concern with the diploma system.

TAPE 22, B

003

Hill

Explains her perception of CIM/CAM content and skill based assessments as parts of a naturally occurring curriculum.  Describes a third-tier of assessment relating it to goals for education.  Reiterates that teaching is not to the ‘test,’ but to the standards.  Believes standards are reasonable and achievable. Comments on the misconception of work-samples or portfolios. Lists the benefits of CIM standards. Points out the lack of incentives yet the increase of standards for CIM. Illustrates student concern for schools. Concludes that CIM/CAM needs to be retained and supported.    

218

Ed Johnston

Citizen, Lincoln County. Voices frustration about CIM/CAM and wishes to see them eliminated. Believes money should be allocated to vocational fields of study to ensure students’ future employment. States citizens want to support education.  Voices concern about the intentions of legislators.  Believes CIM/CAM funds should be allocated to fund vocational skills. Reiterates the importance of this matter.        

415

Beth Ann Darby

Oregon Education Association (OEA). States the membership is divided in this issue although overall their stance is one of support.

TAPE 23, A

007

Velma Hartwig

Citizen, Lincoln County. States that teachers are afraid to voice opposition to superintendents in this matter. Points out the Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) scores are decreasing.

034

Chair Backlund

Provides he wishes he had an answer to that.

041

Diane Waldren

Teacher, Tillamook County. Voices concern that the true costs of these programs are not being shared. Shares the belief that superintendents do not look kindly on voiced opposition among teachers.

089

Chair Backlund

Closes informational meeting. Adjourns meeting at 3:03 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – Informational, survey, Frank McNamara, 6 pp

B – Informational, letter, Doug Nelson, 2 pp

C – Informational, prepared testimony, Doug Nelson, 1 p

D – Informational, statement, Ron Naso, 3 pp

E – Informational, CIM/CAM costs, Nancy Heiligman, 9 pp