HOUSE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

February 17, 2003   Hearing Room E

1:00 PM Tapes  26 - 27

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Vic Backlund, Chair

Rep. Pat Farr, Vice-Chair

Rep. Elaine Hopson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Billy Dalto

Rep. Mary Nolan

Rep. Wayne Scott

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Jim Keller, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

 

ISSUES HEARD:                     HB 2450 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2395 – Public Hearing

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 26, A

004

Chair Backlund

Calls meeting to order at 1:06 PM. Welcomes colleagues and visitors. Opens public hearing on HB 2450.

HB 2450 PUBLIC HEARING

008

Jim Keller

Committee Administrator. Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS).

015

Rep. Deborah Kafoury

House District 43. Testifies in favor of HB 2450. Explains the measure and its merits with regard to Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANA). 

 

Sarah Merten

Oregon Food Bank. Submits written testimony on HB 2450 (EXHIBIT A).

045

Sandra Morgen

Director, Center for the Study of Women in Society, University of Oregon. Testifies in favor of HB 2450 (EXHIBIT B). Describes the bill.

112

Chair Backlund

Requests the types of typical jobs former program participants may move into once educated.

118

Morgen

Responds listing examples of positions.

136

Rep. Hopson

Asks if statistics for the study with regard to two and four year college program attendance are available.

138

Morgen

Answers that many begin in two-year institutions and some continue onto four-year institutions.

149

Chair Backlund

Concludes there are few reasons not to support the bill.

153

Morgen

Concurs there are none.

160

Tracy Jones

Portland Community College student and parent. Gives a perspective on student financial aid with regard to HB 2450 (EXHIBIT C). Voices concern about the lack of resources available. Points out the sacrifices made by those like her to education themselves while earning a living wage. Offers that grants are more practical ways to   

253

Rep. Dalto

Asks about her food situation on weekends, etc.

259

Jones

Explains that ‘the poor give to the poor’.

266

Brenda Sifuentez

Co-Chair, Oregon Students of Color Coalition (OSCC). Explains the purpose of the commission (EXHIBIT D). Describes the situations of TANF recipients. Explains the importance of the Parents as Scholars Program (EXHIBIT E). Testifies in favor of HB 2450.

340

Rep. Dalto

Observes the well-prepared testimony of the OSCC.

350

Steven Kafoury

Testifies in favor of HB 2450. Relates the bill statute (EXHIBIT F).

TAPE 27, A

001

Rep. Farr

Asks if Mr. Kafoury recommends an amendment.

002

S. Kafoury

Refers to line 29. Adds views on wording.  

005

Chair Backlund

Adds the committee will not be having a work session today due to the lack of a fiscal impact statement for HB 2450.

015

Patrick Green

American Federation of Labor and Congress of Industrial Organizations (AFL-CIO) of Oregon. Testifies in favor of HB 2450. Explains the desire of the AFL-CIO to reduce hunger in Oregon. Adds the bill could help to alleviate hunger.

041

Rep. Farr

Requests that an amendment be drafted.

045

Chair Backlund

Explains that any member can draft an amendment.

052

Marcia Kelley

Women’s Rights Coalition. Testifies in favor of HB 2450 (EXHIBIT G). Informs members of Maine’s Parents as Scholars program. Refers members to the stance of Senator Olympia Snowe of Maine (EXHIBIT H).

110

Sen. Kate Brown

Senate District 21 . Provides written testimony in favor of HB 2450 (EXHIBIT I). Describes the ‘walk a mile’ program. Gives a perspective on TANF.

136

Betty Haus

American Association of University Women of Oregon. Testifies in favor of HB 2450 (EXHIBIT J). Provides perspective on the bill. Explains its merits.

173

David Robinson

Vice President of Informational Technology, Pioneer Pacific College. Testifies in favor of HB 2450. Expresses support for an amendment that would include private schools in the bill.

211

Ruth Ellen White

Parent. Gives her perspective on government assistance with regard to HB 2450.

256

Beverly Logan

Parent. Comments on the difficulty single mothers face when trying to educate themselves and work. Explains how the system has helped her. Voices support for HB 2450.

291

Rep. Dalto

Asks what Ms. Logan’s Master’s Degree was in.

296

Beverly Logan

Answers sociology.

302

Rep. Hopson

Requests the numbers and names of the schools that would be included by the amendment.

307

Chair Backlund

Closes public hearing on HB 2450. Opens public hearing on HB 2395.

HB 2395 PUBLIC HEARING

405

Jim Keller

Reads SMS.

TAPE 26, B

003

Rep. Betsy Close

House District 15. Testifies in support of HB 2395 (EXHIBIT K).  Provides that an amendment will need to be created to remove Pre-Scholastic Aptitude Test (PSAT) scores from the report.

020

Rep. Farr

Comments on the change of language in the bill. Offers that information concerning the number of student taking the tests should be included.

025

Rep. Close

Agrees that the information would be helpful. Adds she would like to see input from the districts on other inclusions.

040

Rep. Farr

Offers a possible amendment to HB 2395 that would include further information on Scholastic Aptitude Test (SAT) scores.

044

Rep. Close

Agrees and expresses that OR has high SAT scores are high.

047

Rep. Nolan

Asks if a higher average salary for teachers improves grades on the Oregon Report Card (ORC). 

055

Rep. Close

Responds that she is unsure as to the calculation of the grade.

059

Rep. Nolan

Questions why Rep. Close believes this is pertinent information for the ORC.

063

Rep. Close

Explains using examples of teacher salaries.

073

Rep. Nolan

Requests her intention of ‘staff members’ in the bill.

075

Rep. Close

Responds with her intention. Agrees it is an unclear term.

083

Rep. Avakian

Asks is Rep. Close suggests that school districts are paying teachers too much.

090

Rep. Close

Comments she does not believe that reducing class sizes improves achievement. Adds that parents are concerned with the statistics the bill would include.

101

Rep. Avakian

Refers to specific part of bill with regard to personnel costs. Asks if it would include administrators.

105

Rep. Close

Responds that it would include administration.

107

Rep. Avakian

Inquires if the figure is intended to be included so parents may compare the salaries to class sizes.

109

Rep. Close

Explains she has not specified, but feels further identification would be helpful.

109

Chair Backlund

Comments on personnel costs.

116

Rep. Close

Responds to his comments.

121

Rep. Farr

Refers to line 18 of bill. Asks how staff would be calculated.

124

Rep. Close

Expresses she is unsure of how to answer. Gives example of the Portland School District.

135

Rep. Farr

Comments on service staff.

145

Rep. Close

Explains she wants to find the actual costs involved.

150

Rep. Scott

Questions whether the intent is to elucidate the costs.

155

Rep. Close

Responds it is an attempt to look at overall personnel costs in order to compare districts.

165

Chair Backlund

Asks if personnel costs are available as part of the Database Initiative Project (DIP).

168

Jim Keller

Affirms.

172

Ed Johnston

Lincoln County resident. Offers ideas for an amendment to the bill concerning public information. Testifies in favor of HB 2395. States the Lincoln County School Board recalls occurred because of similar issues.

212

Chuck Bennett

Confederation of Oregon School Administrators (COSA). States COSA appreciates the examination of the issue of funds. Comments on the DIP with regard to the measure.  Poses question concerning HB 2395 and the Oregon Report Card (ORC). Points out the ORC is meant to serve parents and students. Adds that the information HB 2395 would include is already available in some form to the public. 

291

Patty O’Sullivan

Portland School District. Concurs with Mr. Bennett on the matter. Comments on the definition of terms in HB 2395. Clarifies earlier inquiries regarding staff member costs.

335

Rep. Farr

Comments on the clarification.

340

Bennett

Points out the confusion that may be created by multiple reports to the public.

366

Chair Backlund

Closes the public hearing on HB 2395. Adjourns the meeting at 2:28 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2450, Betty Merden, 1 p

B – HB 2450, Sandra Morgen, 2 p

C – HB 2450, Tracy Jones, 1 p

D – HB 2450, Brenda Sifuentez, 2 p

E – HB 2450, Brenda Sifuentez, 2 p

F – HB 2450, Steven Kafoury, 1 p

G – HB 2450, Marcia Kelley, 2 p

H – HB 2450, Marcia Kelley, 2 p

I – HB 2450, Betty Haus, 1 p

J – HB 2450, Sen. Kate Brown, 1 p

K – HB 2395, Rep. Betsy Close, 1 p