HOUSE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

February 24, 2003   Hearing Room E

1:00 PM Tapes  30 - 31

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Vic Backlund, Chair

Rep. Pat Farr, Vice-Chair

Rep. Elaine Hopson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Billy Dalto

Rep. Mary Nolan

Rep. Wayne Scott

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Jim Keller, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD: -Informational Meeting

                                                Proficiency-based Admissions Standards System (PASS) presentation, Oregon University System (OUS)

                                                - HB 2585 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 30, A

004

Chair Backlund

Calls meeting to order at 1:04  PM. Welcomes colleagues and audience. Opens informational meeting.

INFORMATIONAL MEETING

006

Jim Keller

Committee Administrator. Introduces Ms. Tell.

009

Christine Tell

Director, Proficiency-based Admissions Standards System (PASS), Oregon University System (OUS). Introduces Mr. Jarvis.

011

Richard Jarvis

Chancellor, OUS. Introduces the issue.

013

Christine Tell

Refers committee to (EXHIBITS A and B). Overviews PASS. Explains how PASS was developed. Describes ‘aligned standards’. Informs of the First Year study (EXHIBIT C).

142

Chair Backlund

Asks if there is a known reason Oregon has a high college attendance rate.

144

Tell

Believes it be accounted to the large university system. Defers to Mr. McDonald.

150

David McDonald

Director of Student Outreach, OUS. Concurs with Ms. Tell’s comments. Adds that high school dropouts rate may account the percentage as well.

162

Tell

Points out that the 25% that do not go onto college is mostly due to financial need. Refers committee to Attachment D of the study. Highlights assessment performance analysis. Explains the implications of the study results.  

398

Rep. Hopson

Comments on the study. Poses question regarding remediation.

407

Tell

Explains the remedial rate has not been studied yet. Continues relating remediation to the current study.

TAPE 31, A

005

Jim Keller

Informs the committee of meeting changes.

020

Rep. Farr

Informs the committee of a coming town-hall meeting in Eugene.

028

Chair Backlund

Closes informational meeting. Opens public hearing on HB 2585.

HB 2585 PUBLIC HEARING

030

Jim Keller

Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS).

033

Stephen Kafoury

University of Phoenix (UP), Art Institute of Portland. Testifies in favor of HB 2585 (EXHIBITS D and E). Relates the measure to HB 2450. Explains HB 2585. Discusses the Art Institute of Portland with regard to the Oregon Opportunity Grant (OOG). Notes the opposing viewpoints on the measure.

091

Pat Hardie

Campus Director, University of Phoenix. Testifies in favor of HB 2585 (EXHIBIT F). Explains the UP program. Notes the change in financial aid over time. Relates changes to the need for the OOG.

174

Rep. Dalto

Asks how the programs at UP differ from those at the state level.

176

Hardie

Explains the differences in the programs.

186

Rep. Dalto

Clarifies UP has locations on community college campuses.

190

Hardie

Affirms.

198

Rep. Avakian

Clarifies the current law.

200

Kafoury

Explains the law.

206

Rep. Avakian

Inquires as to the reasoning of not-for-profit private schools versus that of for-profit private schools.

209

Kafoury

Responds in terms of flexibility.

233

Rep. Avakian

Clarifies the terms further.

236

Hardie

Concurs. Explains accreditation of UP.

247

Rep. Avakian

Asks if there are scholarship and grant programs within UP.

252

Hardie

Affirms.

255

Kafoury

Adds the same is true of the Art Institute of Portland.

260

Rep. Farr

Requests the percentage of students that obtain UP scholarships and grants.  

264

Hardie

States she is unsure. Explains the percentage of UP students eligible to apply for the OOG is small.

270

Rep. Farr

Requests a comparison of the community college tuition with the schools.

273

Hardie

Answers that UP tuition cost is around $8,000 a year.

276

Kafoury

Provides perspective as to where UP cost of education falls compared to other schools.

282

Rep. Farr

Clarifies the price is greater than that of a community college.

285

Kafoury

Affirms.

290

Rep. Hopson

Asks why the committee would choose to fund private for-profit schools of higher education when the legislature does not fund private for-profit kindergarten through twelfth grade education. 

301

Kafoury

Questions the differentiation between funding of private not-for-profit versus private for-profit when money goes to the student.

313

Rep. Avakian

Comments on funding provided as a private institution.

324

Kafoury

Responds concerning the types of private schools.

333

Rep. Nolan

Asks for the profit obtained by UP.

336

Hardie

States she is unsure, but will provide that information to Rep. Nolan.

345

Rep. Nolan

Requests the stock prices and the performance in the past five years.

350

Kafoury

Differentiates private programs to explain the performance of UP concerning stock.

396

Rep. Dalto

Asks if the OOG money comes from a finite pool.

400

Kafoury

Affirms and adds that he hopes it is not a continually diminishing one.

412

Rep. Dalto

Inquires if UP students would compete for OOG money.

416

Kafoury

Affirms.

418

Rep. Dalto

Comments on the funds remainder in state.

424

Rep. Hopson

Asks for the number of schools that would be involved due to the bill.

428

Kafoury

Explains there would be five or six.

TAPE 30, B

003

Melissa Unger

Oregon Student Association (OSA). Testifies in opposition to HB 2585 (EXHIBIT G). Explains that Oregon cannot afford the bill presently.

031

Julie Sehaneck

Oregon Community College Association (OCCA). Testifies in opposition of HB 2585 (EXHIBIT H).

053

Rep. Farr

Clarifies price of education at UP versus the cost at a community college.

056

Grattan Kerans

Director of Government Relations, OUS. Testifies in opposition of HB 2585.

100

Rep. Avakian

Requests his opinion on the inclusion of not-for-profit private schools in the OOG pool.  

102

Kerans

Explains the inclusion is a long-standing policy decision of the legislature.

110

Rep. Avakian

Requests Mr. Kerans specific objection to for-profit private schools inclusion in the bill.

115

Kerans

Reiterates it is a policy choice for the committee.

123

Rep. Avakian

Inquires about investment concerns.

126

Kerans

Restates it is policy issue for the legislators.  

133

Rep. Avakian

Asks that, given the current budget, a policy could allow students the opportunity to attend for-profit private schools

143

Kerans

States the students at the universities he represents do not agree with the measure.

154

Rep. Farr

Clarifies the community college costs per credit hour versus the UP cost per credit hour. 

160

Sehaneck

Responds she is unsure of the per credit hour definition between the institutions.

164

Rep. Farr

Comments on the figures. Requests an explanation of UP credit.

170

Hardie

Explains the difference in credits with regard to semesters.

175

Chair Backlund

Speaks to Ballot Measure 19 regarding funds withheld from the OOG.

185

Kerans

Responds about the figure.

187

Chair Backlund

Comments.

190

Kerans

Discusses the coming cuts to OOG funds.

213

Rep. Nolan

Requests how OUS is responding to the increasing age of college attendees.

230

Kerans

Replies that the average age of college students is 27. Explains the situations of non-traditional college students already existing within OUS.

251

Rob Wagner

American Federation of Teachers (AFT) of Oregon. Explains the AFT. Testifies in opposition of HB 2585. Defines the reasons behind the opposition. Comments on the proponents reasoning. 

299

Jeff Svejcar

Executive Director, Oregon Student Assistance Commission (OSAC). Explains the current financial situation of Oregon students. Outlines the priorities of OSAC with regard to student financial aid. Concludes that the commission does not approve of the addition of students or schools to the pool.

400

Chair Backlund

Closes public hearing on HB 2585. Adjourns meeting at 2:27 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – Informational, PASS, Christine Tell, 9 p

B – Informational, PASS, Christine Tell, 17 p

C – Informational, PASS, Christine Tell, 55 p

D – HB 2585, Stephen Kafoury, 1 p

E – HB 2585, Stephen Kafoury, 2 p

F – HB 2585, Pat Hardie, 4 p

G – HB 2585, Melissa Unger, 2 p

H – HB 2585, Julie Suchanek, 1 p