HOUSE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

March 3, 2003 Hearing Room E

1:00 PM Tapes  34 - 36

                         

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Vic Backlund, Chair

Rep. Pat Farr, Vice-Chair

Rep. Elaine Hopson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Billy Dalto

Rep. Mary Nolan

Rep. Wayne Scott

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Jim Keller, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

 

ISSUES HEARD:                     HB 2415 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2744 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 34, A

004

Chair Backlund

Calls meeting to order at 1:03 PM. Welcomes colleagues and audience. Opens public hearing on HB 2415. Opens public hearing on HB 2744.

HB 2415 PUBLIC HEARING and HB 2744 PUBLIC HEARING

009

Jim Keller

Committee Administrator. Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS) on HB 2415. Reads SMS on 2744.

013

Rep. Randy Miller

House District 37. Testifies in favor of HB 2415 (EXHIBIT A).  Speaks to the rationale behind opposition of the Certificate of Initial Mastery (CIM) and the Certificate of Advanced Mastery (CAM). Speaks to the percentage of the public in opposition of CIM and CAM.

140

Rep. Hopson

Asks how he equates a nationalized test with local control issues.

149

Rep. Miller

Explains the potential of local involvement with national testing corporations.

168

Chair Backlund

Comments on the reasoning behind the committee’s sponsorship of HB 2744. Points out that the bill does not encompass CAM. Informs of the intent of the measure. Submits the merits of HB 2744. Counters opposition of the CIM as a test of mastery. States belief that the CIM is a necessary standard.

253

Jill Kirk

Chair, Oregon State Board of Education. Testifies in favor of HB 2744 (EXHIBIT B).  Refers to the Oregon Report Card (ORC) and the First Year study. States that the board recognizes the need for improvement and refinement of assessment standards. Explains the board has asked the Oregon Department of Education to provide assessment models in other subject areas. Explains the intent of CAM.  

350

Pat Burk

Deputy Superintendent, Oregon Department of Education. Explains the lack of nationwide assessment. Testifies in favor of HB 2744 (EXHIBIT C).

TAPE 35, A

002

Burk

Relates the measure to statute. Points out the penalties of non-compliance.   

017

Bill Auty

Associate Superintendent, Office of Assessment and Evaluation, ODE. Provides information on the statewide assessment system (EXHIBIT D). Testifies in favor of HB 2744. Speaks to the time required by testing.  

069

Rep. Farr

Poses question regarding the need for a CIM outside of high school.

078

Kirk

Negates. Speaks to the value of the standards set by CIM.

082

Rep. Farr

Clarifies that the business community is becoming more accepting of the CIM.

085

Kirk

Believes the worlds are merging and that proficiency is affected by the CIM.

091

Farr

Inquires about the need for the current standards.

093

Kirk

Responds that legislation and implementation may have differed with current knowledge. Believes the high standards and assessments are still necessary.

106

Rep. Nolan

Speaks on Mr. Auty’s comments on CIM’s effectiveness in college success and testing. Asks if they may have a marketable product to other states.

124

Bill Auty

Comments that ODE has looked into tradeoffs especially in the areas of the online assessments.

129

Rep. Nolan

Responds.

133

Auty

Speaks to proficiency testing relating to federal grants.

138

Rep. Dalto

Asks Mr. Auty to elaborate on the test time matrix.

146

Auty

Explains the ODE recommendations in testing areas.

152

Rep. Dalto

Refers to the time allotted for the testing provided in EXHIBIT D and poses question.

159

Auty

Explains the calculation time for testing.

167

Rep. Dalto

Inquires how ODE is able to verify the time spent.

171

Auty

Responds that there are several mechanisms and elaborates.

186

Susan Castillo

Superintendent of Public Instruction, ODE. Explains that ODE welcomes changes to the current assessment system. Testifies in favor of HB 2744. Speaks to the accountability of the system. Expresses that the elimination of the system in not a proper way to reduce funding.

230

Michael Kozlow

Northwest Regional Education Laboratory. Comments on the issues that states face in contraction of testing services to meet federal requirements. Speaks on the strengths of the system. Testifies in favor of HB 2744. States that teachers will teach ‘to the tests’.

304

Rep. Linda Flores

House District 51. Conveys the views of her constituents on CIM and CAM. Expresses belief that a CIM falls third in importance to grade point average (GPA) and Student Achievement Test (SAT).

353

Rep. Hopson

Notices Rep. Flores has placed SAT higher in the system of CIM. Asks how she regards grade school assessments.

360

Flores

Responds.

367

Rep. Hopson

Asks if she is aware the state has gained approval for the use of CIM and CAM as part of the No Child Left Behind (NCLB) Act.

375

Rep. Avakian

Comments on HB 2744. Poses question to Ms. Castillo about content of the bill.

385

Castillo

Clarifies

395

Rep Avakian

Explains he believes should have more discussion on certain areas of the bill.

410

Rep. Dalto

Comments.

420

Castillo

Refers to Rep. Avakian’s earlier comments and explains.

436

John Valley

Oregon Advocacy Director, American Heart Association. Testifies against HB 2415 (EXHIBIT E).

TAPE 34, B

003

Valley

Continues testimony. Explains the importance of continuing the physical education requirements of CIM.

046

Jim Needham

Molalla River School District. Testifies in favor of HB 2415 (EXHIBIT F). Explains that CIM and CAM have been under funded since inception.  

073

Rep. Hopson

Clarifies that NCLB should replace CIM and CAM.

077

Needham

Responds that NCLB should be the focus to eliminate duplication.

082

Rep. Hopson

Points out that the federal government has agreed that CIM and CAM meet NCLB standards.

085

Needham

Believes there is an extra burden on teachers.

090

Bob Willner

Executive Director, Oregon International Coalition (OIC) . Expresses concern for non college bound students in relation to CIM and CAM. Testifies against HB 2415. Believes that the foreign language and social science areas of the CIM are necessary.  

133

Keith Thomson

Oregon Business Coalition (OBC) Education Committee. Testifies in favor of HB 2744.

185

Morgan Anderson

Education Manager, Intel Corporation. Testifies in favor of HB 2744. Calls attention importance of the math and problem-solving portions of the CIM. Notes that the standards set out by CIM help Oregon students to compete.

242

Bill Scott

Leaders Roundtable of Multnomah County. Testifies in favor of HB 2744 (EXHIBIT G). Expresses the belief of local business leaders in the merits of the CIM and CAM. Speaks of early education reform.

314

Rep. Kropf

House District 17. Testifies in support of HB 2415. Recalls the initiation of the CIM and CAM. Explains the views of his constituents on the CIM and CAM. States that he approves of high standards, but does not agree with the current reforms as they reduce flexibility. 

408

Rep. Hopson

Requests the portion of the CIM Rep. Kropf suggest be removed.

TAPE 35, B

003

Rep. Kropf

Replies he is speaking the views of his constituents. Conveys that standards should be equal. Expresses his desire for districts to be accountable. 

034

Caleb Burns

Testifies in support of HB 2415. Qualifies ‘good’ and ‘bad’ tests. Refers to ‘high stakes’ tests. Points out that there were no pilot tests on the CIM and CAM. Speaks to the recent high school GPA and SAT scores.

073

Brian Brown

Senior, Sheldon High School. Testifies in support of HB 2415. Explains the feelings of high school students who do not achieve a CIM.

102

Aeylin Summers

Principal, Milwaukee High School. Testifies in favor of HB 2744.

150

Joel Mobley

Teacher, Putnam High School. Testifies in favor of HB 2744. Testifies in opposition of HB 2415 (EXHIBIT H).

172

Tim King

Teacher, Putnam High School. Testifies in favor of HB 2744 (EXHIBIT I). Describes the relevance of the CIM to his physics class.

220

Martha W. Daniels

Teacher. Testifies in favor of HB 2415 (EXHIBIT J).

278

Velma Hartwig

 Testifies in favor of HB 2415 (EXHIBIT K). Suggests an alternative to the CIM and CAM. Describes the programs at her school.

337

M.L. Young

Testifies in opposition of HB 2415.

410

Courtni Dresser 

Oregon Advocacy Manager, American Cancer Society. Testifies in opposition to HB 2415 (EXHIBIT L). Speaks specifically to wording in HB 2415.

TAPE 36, A

002

Jason Williams

Executive Director, Oregon Taxpayers Association Testifies in favor of HB 2415 (EXHIBIT M). Expresses there is no viable success evident with the CIM and CAM.

030

Brent Jostad

Student, Lake Oswego High School (LOHS) and Member, Student Alliance for Economic Responsibility (SAER). Testifies in favor of HB 2415. Explains opposition to curriculum, scoring, and grading of the assessments. Notes GPA as the most important factor of assessment. Displays a petition of those opposed to CIM and CAM.

110

Steve Dickenson

Student, LOHS. Lists the goals he believes CIM intended upon inception. Expresses there are extensive costs of CIM and CAM.

154

Ian Green

Student, LOHS. Informs the committee of a recent Youth in Government meeting where CIM and CAM was discussed. Explains that the assessment system was opposed and that the Iowa Test of Basic Skills was favored as a replacement.

 

Dick Trtek

Student and Science Chair, LOHS. Submits written testimony on HB 2415 (EXHIBIT N).

186

Dick O’Connor

Testifies in opposition of HB 2415 from a business perspective.

228

Chair Backlund

Informs of future public hearings on the measures. Closes public hearings on House Bills 2415 and 2744. Adjourns meeting at 3:21 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2415, Rep. Randy Miller, 2 p

B – HB 2744, Jill Kirk, 12 p

C – HB 2744, Pat Burk, 6 p

D – HB 2744, Bill Auty, 4 p

E – HB 2415 and HB 2744, John Valley, 2 p

F – HB 2415, Jim Needham, 1 p

G – HB 2415, Bill Scott, 2 p

H – HB 2415, Joel Mobley, 1 p

I – HB 2415, Tim King, 2 p

J – HB 2415, Martha Daniels, 1 p

K – HB 2415, Velma Hartwig, 1 p

L – HB 2744, Courtni Dresser, 1 p

M – HB 2415, Jason Williams, 1 p

N – HB 2415, Dick Trtek, 3 p