HOUSE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

March 05, 2003   Hearing Room E

5:00 PM Tapes  37 - 39

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Vic Backlund, Chair

Rep. Elaine Hopson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Billy Dalto

Rep. Mary Nolan

Rep. Wayne Scott

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:             Rep. Pat Farr, Vice-Chair

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Jim Keller, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     HB 2415 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2744 – Public Hearing

                                               

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 37, A

004

Chair Backlund

Calls meeting to order at 5:07 PM. Welcomes colleagues and audience. Opens public hearing on HB 2415. Opens public hearing on 2744.

HB 2415 PUBLIC HEARING and HB 2744 PUBLIC HEARING

010

Jim Keller

Committee Administrator. Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS) on HB 2415. Reads SMS on HB 2744.  

 

Marge Ellis

Fifth grade teacher, Canby School District. Submits written testimony in opposition to HB 2415 and in favor of HB 2744 (EXHIBIT A).

 

Deborah Sommer

Superintendent, Canby School District. Submits written testimony in support of HB 2744 (EXHIBIT B).

 

Dee Swettman

Language Arts teacher, Parrish Middle School. Submits written testimony in support of HB 2415 (EXHIBIT C).

 

Kristen Meyer

Fourth grade teacher, Beach Elementary and Adjunct Professor, Concordia University. Submits written testimony in support of HB 2415. (EXHIBIT D).

028

Dawn Phillips

Legislative Assistant, Rep. Randy Miller, House District 37. Testifies in favor of HB 2415. Notes coming amendments on HB 2415 on the testing component of the bill.

048

Rob Kremer

Oregon Education Coalition. Explains the amendments to HB 2415.

063

Chair Backlund

Comments.

067

Rep. Hopson

Poses questions concerning the contraction of testing versus the standing tests.

071

Kremer

Answers new tests would differ significantly and lists differences. Responds that an entirely new system of tests would actually be more cost efficient than the continuation of the current system.

089

Rep. Hopson

Assumes that a cost analysis is not available. Asks if it is his belief that teachers should not then test their students.

095

Kremer

Responds that teachers are not the proper administrators of high stakes tests.

105

Rep. Hopson

Offers that the accumulation of credits for a high school diplomas is also high stakes. Asks how he accounts for that.

115

Kremer

Responds.

120

Rep Hopson

Asks how he considers a high school diploma.

124

Kremer

Answers the acquisition of a diploma is not a test.

128

Phillips

Adds to this.

133

Rep. Nolan

Poses question relating to testing.

140

Kremer

Offers the tests available to illustrate how the institution would be achieved.

155

Rep. Nolan

Clarifies that Mr. Kremer does not belong to any agency planning to compete for testing were that situation to arise.

159

Kremer

Negates he belongs to any agency involved.

161

Rep. Hopson

Asks if Mr. Kremer is aware that many school districts already use the testing.

165

Kremer

Acknowledges and points out that districts have also stopped using the tests.

173

Chair Backlund

Testifies in favor of HB 2744. Explains the current standards of the Certificate of Initial Mastery (CIM). Describes the changes that the bill would make to the current system. Notes that the bill would only address CIM and not the Certificate of Advanced Mastery (CAM). Provides a situation involving Oregon State University (OSU) students and the CIM. Adds that standards need to be fitted to the No

262

Wayne Feller

Oregon State Board of Education member. Comments on the intent of the CIM and CAM. Testifies in favor of HB 2744. Speaks to the subject areas embraced by the CIM. Comments on knowledge and skills tests.

335

Steve Novick

Legislative Coordinator, Oregon Department of Education (ODE). Testifies on HB 2744. Notes that the federal government has approved the current system of standards. Offers that elimination of the system, if approved, would not occur overnight.  

385

Bob Siewert

Associate Superintendent, Office of Curriculum Instruction Field Services and Special Education, ODE. Testifies on HB 2744.

TAPE 38, A

003

Siewert

Speaks to the required content standards. Explains purchased tests may not meet federal standards.

033

Vickie Fleming

Office of the Superintendent, ODE. Testifies on HB 2744. Recognizes that there is concern as to funding. Explains that cost of eliminating the testing system would also require funds.

053

Keller

Explains rules of public testimony.

064

Kris Kain

President, Oregon Education Association (OEA). Testifies in support of HB 2744 (EXHIBIT E). Explains reasoning behind the support of the agency.

115

Kay Baker

Superintendent, Salem-Keizer Public Schools. Testifies in favor of HB 2744 (EXHIBIT F).

148

Harvey Mathews

Legislative Representative, Associated Oregon Industries (AOI). Testifies in favor of HB 2744. Provides an article on the issue of CIM/CAM (EXHIBIT G). Voices concern on the elimination of assessments laid out by HB 2415.

193

Rep. Dalto

Requests the OEA opinion of the foreign language portion of HB 2744.

 

Kain

Expresses the OEA would like language clarified on the inclusion of subject areas.

200

Chair Backlund

Notes a coming amendment to the language of HB 2744.

217

Marie Cramer

Teacher and Board member. Speaks to the scoring of assessments. Testifies in favor of HB 2744.

255

Darrell Trussell

High School Teacher. Testifies in favor of HB 2744. Notes improvement of students arriving in high school due to the CIM with regard to mathematics. Expresses the importance of the problem solving and performance assessment section inherent to the CIM.

300

Diane McKillop

McNary High School. Testifies in favor of HB 2744. Addresses the English section of the CIM. Speaks to the alignment of standards. Acknowledges the opposing viewpoints on the CIM.

358

Hans van der Mars

OSU Professor and Parent. Testifies against HB 2415 and in favor of HB 2744 (EXHIBIT H).

TAPE 37, B

003

van der Mars

Continues testimony with regard to physical education. Comments on stable and sufficient funding to education.

015

Marcia Kelley

American Association of University Women of Oregon. Testifies on HB 2415 (EXHIBIT I). Explains the association remains divided currently

035

Rep. Dalto

Speaks to funding and poses question.

045

van der Mars

Responds regarding assessment strategies due to funding issues.

060

Sandra Smith-Gangle

Marion-Polk County, League of Women Voters. Testifies on HB 2744 (EXHIBIT J). Explains the League urges the continuation of standards in the area of social sciences in addition to the other three areas.

112

Chair Backlund

Comments on the difficulty the committee had in not including social sciences. Explains its reasons for doing so and its hopes for school districts continuation of the standards.

133

Gangle

Responds with the hopes of the League.

145

Chair Backlund

Requests that Ms. Gangle choose one area to retain in the area of the social sciences.

155

Gangle

Explains that she cannot divorce history and civics.

158

Rep. Dalto

Asks why the CIM is necessary for responsible citizenship

163

Gangle

Responds that the standards that have been developed are well-thought and thorough assessment tools to address the learning in the area of social science.

177

Rep. Dalto

Discusses HB 2744 with regard to standards versus assessment.

183

Rep. Hopson

Explains that the course-content standards would not be required although standards may be retained.

195

Rep. Dalto

Comments on the need for the certificate.

200

Chair Backlund

Remarks on the obtainment of a CIM.

210

Pat Bedore

Superintendent, Greater Albany Public School District. Testifies in favor of HB 2744 (EXHIBIT K). Suggests changes to the current assessment system. Provides information (EXHIBITS L and M).  

280

Chair Backlund

Comments on the mandates imposed by the government. Informs of a subcommittee that addresses and studies the subject.

297

Bob Willner

Oregon International Council (OIC). Voices concern as to language in HB 2744. Testifies against HB 2744 (EXHIBIT N). Discusses foreign language requirements. 

349

Daniel Tindall

OSU doctoral candidate. Speaks to his experiences in the field of physical education. Testifies in opposition of HB 2415.

TAPE 38, B

003

Marietta Edwards

Teacher. Testifies in favor of HB 2415 (EXHIBIT O). Explains situations of transfer students, district program differentiation, and funding.

020

Marsha Akarlund

Citizen. Testifies in favor of HB 2415. Informs the committee of documents on Germany model testing. States the CIM and the CAM were established to foster labor.  

069

Rene Leger

Employers for Education Excellence. Explains the mission of the non-profit organization (EXHIBIT P). Points out the significant gains made by the CIM and CAM. Discusses the value of CIM and CAM with regard to employment. Testifies in favor of HB 2744.

130

Francis Charbonnier

School Board Member, McMinnville School District. Discusses the Oregon Education Act of the Twenty-First Century (OEA21). Testifies in favor of HB 2744 (EXHIBIT Q). Comments on the alignment of standards. States he is firmly opposed to HB 2415.  

180

Aleita Hass-Holcombe

Teacher. Comments that NCLB is the vision of educators. Provides history of standards in Oregon with regard to physical education. Testifies against HB 2744 (EXHIBIT R).

235

Rep. Hopson

Comments on the relation between CIM and standards. Asks what the legislature can do to encourage the support of CIM in the business community.

245

Leger

Answers that they provide clarity that the program will stay the course.

254

Rep. Dalto

Clarifies as to hiring objectives and the CIM.

260

Leger

Affirms that the CIM appears on some job applications.

270

Rep. Dalto

Requests his feelings on foreign language requirements of HB 2744.

279

Charbonnier

Comments on the OEA21. Remarks on subject areas.

355

Rep. Nolan

Requests that Mr. Leger provide an opinion of the subject areas.

374

Leger

Responds that all subject areas are valuable, but that there is a compromise.

381

Rep. Nolan

Suggests that budget limitations could be alleviated by raising the amount of money available instead of cutting services.

390

Leger

Clarifies.

394

Rep. Nolan

Speaks to budget issues and business involvement in funding.

398

Leger

Replies he is unsure.

399

Charbonnier

Answers that business would be interested in this.

417

Meg Greiner

Physical education teacher. Testifies against HB 2744. Reasons that great progress has been made in physical education because of the coming accountability.

TAPE 39, A

003

Greiner

Continues testimony.

012

Karen Kinnett

Teacher, North Salem High School and CIM grader. Testifies in favor of HB 2415. Explains the situation of graders and budget allocations.

042

Tom Henry

Assistant Superintendent, Eugene School District. Testifies against HB 2744. Believes the awarding of the certificates pose challenges. Suggests alternatives to the requirements. Speaks to the CAM and its ties to graduation in 2006-7.     

081

Chair Backlund

Discusses the separation of CIM subject areas.

088

Henry

Responds.

097

Rep. Dalto

Comments on CIM essays of North Salem High School and the grading. Asks how effective CIM grading is.

110

Kinnett

Responds that she approves of the breakdown of the scoring. Adds that the tests are subjective.

125

Rep. Dalto

Speaks to comments on the essay.

128

Kinnett

Clarifies that the samples must be work samples.

132

Rep. Hopson

Requests writing sample suggestions.

135

Kinnett

Remarks a statewide assessment could focus on grammar although content would not be addressed. Comments further.

148

Gary Riddell

Physical education teacher, Eugene and parent. Testifies against HB 2415 and HB 2744 (EXHIBIT S). Asks if there is a physical education teacher on the committee

165

Chair Backlund

Responds he was a student teacher for physical education.

180

Riddell

Continues. States he opposes both of the bills. Comments on the coming budget cuts to his department. Provides that the Fitness for Life program is something that is able to be retained.

204

Rep. Dalto

Requests an explanation on the three strands.

208

Riddell

Lists them and explains the purpose of each strand.

215

Rep. Dalto

Asks why Mr. Riddell regards that program as most important.

220

Riddell

Believes children can have feedback on their health.

223

Chair Backlund

Closes public hearing on HB 2415. Closes public hearing on HB 2744. Adjourns meeting at 7:19 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2415 and HB 2744, Marge Ellis, 3 p

B – HB 2415, Deborah Sommer, 2 p

C – HB 2415, Dee Swettman, 2 p

D – HB 2415, Kristen Meyer, 2 p

E – HB 2744, Kris Kain, 2 p

F – HB 2744, Kay Baker, 1 p

G – HB 2744, Harvey Mathews, 2 p

H – HB 2415 and HB 2744, Hans van der Mars, 6 p

I – HB 2415, Marcia Kelley, 1 p

J – HB 2744, Sandra Smith-Gangle, 2 p

K – HB 2415 and HB 2744, Pat Bedore, 1 p

L – HB 2415 and HB 2744, Pat Bedore, 4 p

M – HB 2415 and HB 2744, Pat Bedore, (oversized exhibit – see archives)

N – HB 2744, Bob Willner, 1 p

O – HB 2415, Marietta Edwards, 1 p

P – HB 2744, Rene Leger, 28 p

Q – HB 2744 and HB 2415, Francis Charbonnier, 3 p

R – HB 2744 and HB 2415, Aleita Hass-Holcombe, 2 p

S – HB 2415 and HB 2744, Gary Riddell, 3 p