HOUSE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

March 24, 2003   Hearing Room E

1:00 PM Tapes  49 - 52

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Vic Backlund, Chair

Rep. Pat Farr, Vice-Chair

Rep. Elaine Hopson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Billy Dalto

Rep. Mary Nolan

Rep. Wayne Scott

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Jim Keller, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     HB 2816 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2843 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 3480 – Public Hearing

                                               

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 49, A

002

Chair Backlund

Calls meeting to order at 1:04 PM. Opens public hearing on HB 2816. Opens public hearing on HB 2843. Opens public hearing on HB 3480.

HB 2816 PUBLIC HEARING, HB 2843 PUBLIC HEARING, HB 3480 PUBLIC HEARING

016

Rep. Billy Dalto

House District 21. States his support for the Talented and Gifted (TAG) program and its students. Speaks about the students involved in the program and the responsibility of society to provide a related education. Testifies in favor of HB 2816, HB 2843, and HB 3480. Explains the requirements of the bills. Notes no employee at the Oregon Department of Education (ODE) specializes in TAG.

080

Pat Burk

Deputy Superintendent, ODE. Testifies on HB 2816, HB 2843, and HB 3480. Discusses the TAG program and service delivery systems. (EXHIBIT A).

090

Laura Pehkonen

Department of Special Education.

095

Burk

Explains Title II funds with regard to the bills. Provides information on current funding of TAG and the requested budget (EXHIBIT B).  Informs of the zero funding allotted by the Governor’s budget. Concurs with Rep. Dalto on the need fro improvement of TAG.

215

Sen. Kate Brown

Senate District 21. Appreciate the hearing of TAG issues. Believes the issue is extremely important.

227

Chair Backlund

Appreciates her presence and support.

235

Sen. Brown

Comments.

237

Pehkonen

Informs the committee of the status of her employment in terms of time allotted to TAG.

263

Rep. Dalto

Asks her to elaborate on the term ‘0.32’.

265

Pehkonen

Explains ‘0.32’ of her Full-time Equivalent (FTE) job is spent on TAG.

268

Chair Backlund

Clarifies Ms. Pehkonen is the sole representative of ODE for TAG.

271

Pehkonen

Affirms. Refers committee to TAG expenditures (EXHIBIT C). Explains her position and the information the programs gathers. Elaborate on the per student expenditures (EXHIBIT D).

TAPE 50, A

006

Burk

Comments on the funding needed for the programs. Believes there are overlapping ways to obtain fund for TAG beyond the ODE. Speaks to the requirements of federal agencies regarding Title II funds. Explains the implications of funding. Speaks to Title I and III funds. States he is unsure of dictates on the funds.

096

Burk

Speaks on HB 2843. Explains there is no money in the TAG discretionary fund. Offers that the option is to shift funds from a different department. Notes the need for better data on the students. Remarks on HB 3480 regarding FTE allocations and related implications. States ODE strongly supports funding in the areas.  

155

Chair Backlund

Asks the level of interest in TAG regarding the time Ms. Pehkonen spends on the program.

164

Pehkonen

States there are many requirements on time in the area of TAG. Explains it is not possible to be proactive with the time allotted.

175

Burk

Provides five FTE may not solve the problem. Believes the problem is more a district one in terms of local resources.

199

Rep. Dalto

Questions who would be responsible for working with school districts in the amount of time Ms. Pehkonen is allowed.

205

Burk

Notes the issue is creating and monitoring systems for improvement and expansion to solve the problem. Offers a partnership could be established to train teachers in the program.

237

Rep. Dalto

Asks if Ms. Pehkonen can effectively manage TAG responsibilities with the time allotted.

242

Pehkonen

Explains she can react to concerns, but not effectively. Reiterates there is not time to be proactive concerning the issue.

248

Rep. Dalto

Comments on the flexibility of her time being taken by TAG.

255

Pehkonen

Responds there is an overlap with ‘twice-exceptional’ children.

261

Rep. Dalto

Comments on the need for services in the area. Recognizes the budget situation. States the addition of an FTE is not a waste. Submits the issue is not being effectively managed by the department. Wishes ODE would return with some solutions.

296

Burk

Clarifies that more people on the problem would help. Acknowledges Ms. Pehkonen’s position is not enough. Reiterates the Governor’s balanced budget does not even include the program. Explains his point was work to guide districts in instituting a greater program. Suggests TAG be included in the program consolidation for funding. Adds the situation can be improved.

365

Rep. Farr

Clarifies fund would come form the curriculum department.

370

Burk

Explains ODE is attempting to consolidate the departments within itself to better utilize fund in the matter.  

396

Rep. Farr

Requests the number of FTE’s in Special Education.

401

Burk

States he is unsure.

404

Rep. Farr

Requests an estimate.

406

Burk

Estimates ten FTE.

410

Rep. Farr

Asks for the curriculum field numbers.

412

Burk

Estimates fifteen FTE.

414

Rep. Farr

Notes ODE is looking into the approach of departments.

TAPE 49, B

003

Margaret DeLacy

Oregon Association for Talented and Gifted (OATAG). Testifies in favor of HB 2816, 2843, and 3480 (EXHIBITS E and F). Comments on the statements made by Mr. Burk. Informs the committee of the importance of TAG for students and society. Speaks on the funding of TAG. Provides statistics (EXHIBIT G). Comments on priorities set by ODE and the state. Urges support of the bills and of the program.

112

Rep. Farr

Comments on his sons who are TAG students. Concurs with DeLacy.

123

DeLacy

Notes the negative effects of not funding the program.

131

Chair Backlund

Asks how the Advanced Placement (AP) program could assist in the matter.

135

DeLacy

Notes AP classes are helpful for high achievers, not TAG students. Provides alternatives.

180

Deb Andrews

Testifies in favor of HB 2816, 2843, and 3480. Explains her son’s progression in school to illustrate the need for TAG (EXHIBIT H).

249

Sally Phillips

TAG Advocate and Teacher, Salem-Keizer School District. Testifies in favor of HB 2816, 2843, and 3480. Describes the situation of TAG advocates in the district and explains the program.

TAPE 50, B

004

Phillips

Continues. Lists points to consider regarding the issue.

053

Rep. Hopson

Comments on the testimony. Poses question on the program.

058

Phillips

Outlines the program. Comments on the changes due to lack of funding.

077

Rep. Farr

Asks if they use non-certificated employees in the program

079

Phillips

Negates. Notes ten testers have been hired for the district.

087

Rep. Farr

Clarifies hiring of advocates.

090

Phillips

Responds regarding how the program pays advocates.

097

Rep. Farr

Asks if the program uses volunteers.

100

Phillips

Negates. Comments on assessments.

107

Rep. Farr

Notes the availability of qualified parents to assist.

112

Phillips

Responds concerning parent advocacy and assistance.

116

Rep. Farr

Points out services offered by universities.

120

Phillips

Concurs the universities offer summer programs.

134

DeLacy

Makes request of the Chair.

140

Jackie Buisman

Educator of the gifted. Testifies on TAG and in favor of HB 2816, 2843, 3480 (EXHIBIT I). Comments on the work of Ms. Pehkonen. Offers a curriculum project as a probable solution. Notes a letter from Susan Castillo, Superintendent of Public Instruction.

285

Jim Dufala

Parent. Testifies in favor of TAG and HB 2816, 2843, 3480 (EXHIBIT J). Offers a TAG model could be created to allow for responsible curriculum. Notes charter schools are a means to create a curriculum.

389

Rep. Dalto

Requests the process to have his son tested for ability.

394

Dufala

Explains another superintendent who has his son tested.

410

Rep. Nolan

Speaks on solutions.

418

Dufala

Sees it as a regional solution. Believes there are enough students to constitute a class.

426

Rep. Dalto

Comments on his own experience in school with regard to

TAPE 51, A

003

Rep. Dalto

Continues regarding magnet schools as a solid model for education.

012

Tanner Mathison

Student, Riley Creek School. Testifies in favor of TAG and HB 2816, 2843, 3480 (EXHIBIT K). Describes his own experiences and hardship due to ability. Comments on special education matters with regard to allocation of funds. Notes his family will be leaving the state to pursue a high school education.

113

Edith Gillis

Parent. Describes the situation of her son who was home schooled and later public schooled. Discusses his experiences later on. Notes the family is unable to afford advanced placement tests. Lists the programs the family is unable to afford. Gives accounts of her other two children, her husband, and her siblings. Testifies in favor of HB 2816, 2843, and 3480. Offers taxation as a means for funding the programs.  

350

Kimberly Robinson

TAG Student. Testifies in favor of HB 2816, 2843, and 3480 (EXHIBIT L).

384

Darlene Robinson

TAG Parent. Testifies in favor of HB 2816, 2843, and 3480 (EXHIBIT M). Believes TAG children are a silent minority.

TAPE 52, A

003

D. Robinson

Continues and explains the need to support TAG children. Provides accounts her children’s experiences. Notes the TAG mandate has made it possible to educate children properly.  

063

Sue McGrory

Teacher and Parent, Linn County. Provides her difficulties in children to meet the CIM while educating those who exceed standards. Voices concern for HB 2843 with regard to data. Testifies in favor of HB 2816 and 3480. Offers that students should be held accountable. Notes TSPC requires teachers to be able to differentiate curriculum.

150

Chair Backlund

Comments.

155

Rep. Dalto

Thanks Oregon TAG for its presence.

157

Chair Backlund

Closes public hearings on HB 2816, 2843, 3480. Adjourns the meeting at 3:33 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – TAG, Pat Burk, 1 p

B – TAG, Pat Burk, 4 p

C – TAG, Laura Pehkonen, 1 p

D – TAG, Laura Pehkonen, 1 p

E – HB 2816, 2843, 3480, Margaret DeLacy, 5 p

F – TAG, Margaret DeLacy, 20 p
G – TAG, Margaret DeLacy, 25 p

H – HB 2816, 2843, 3480, Deb Andrews, 11 p

I – HB 2816, 2843, 3480, Jackie Buisman, 2 p

J – HB 2816, 2843, 3480, Jim Dufala, 3 p

K – HB 2816, 2843, 3480, Tanner Mathison, 5 p

L – TAG, Kimberly Robinson, 2 p

M – HB 2816, 2843, 3480, Darlene Robinson, 2 p