HOUSE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

April 14, 2003 Hearing Room E

2:00 PM Tapes  66 - 68

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Vic Backlund, Chair

Rep. Pat Farr, Vice-Chair

Rep. Elaine Hopson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Billy Dalto

Rep. Wayne Scott

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:             Rep. Mary Nolan

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Jim Keller, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     SB 10-A – Public Hearing

                                                SB 130 – Work Session

                                                SB 287 – Work Session

                                                SB 388-A – Work Session

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 66, A

004

Chair Backlund

Calls meeting to order at 2:04 PM. Welcomes colleagues and audience. Opens public hearing on SB 10-A.

SB 10-A – PUBLIC HEARING

007

Jim Keller

Committee Administrator. Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS) on SB 10-A.

 

John Ingram

Submits written testimony on SB 10-A (EXHIBIT A).

010

Senate President Peter Courtney

District 11. Defers to Rep. Dalto.

018

Rep. Billy Dalto

House District 21. Testifies in favor of HB 10-A. Explains the bill. Believes the bill solves an education policy issue with regard to access. Recognizes there are flaws with the federal immigration policy. Adds the bill does nothing to change or affect immigration policy. Submits that parents all want the same access and benefits for their children. Comments on the cost and believes any fiscal impact will be absorbed by the Oregon University System (OUS).

125

Sen. Courtney

Testifies in favor of SB 10-A. (EXHIBITS B and C). Informs the committee of the work of the Senate on the issues. Speaks on the tuition fees for in and out-of state residents. Believes the vast majority of students in OUS could not afford out-of-state tuition. Notes the educational backgrounds of the committee members. Refers to statute to inform committee of educational requirements for children. Notes the bill was pioneered in California and Texas and that the decision was a bipartisan one. States that SB 10-A does not displace Oregon citizens. Does not believe students should be responsible for the choices of their parents. 

278

Rep. Dalto

Mentions that the bill passed in Texas and that President George W. Bush signed it into law. Believes the bill should be addressed in Oregon because it is being recognized federally. Speaks on the ‘duty’ for children to attend school.

315

Rep. Hopson

Clarifies the states that have these bills.

323

Sen. Courtney

Responds that other states are considering the law and believes there are four states with the law currently.

335

Rep. Dalto

Comments.

338

Chair Backlund

Explains the rules for testimony.

355

Grattan Kerans

OUS. Testifies in favor of SB 10-A as amended (EXHIBIT D). Explains the policy behind SB 10-A.

TAPE 67, A

013

David McDonald

Director of Enrollment Services, OUS. Testifies in favor of SB 10-A. Explains the estimated range of student affected by SB 10-A (EXHIBIT E).

050

Kerans

Adds that looking at the issue dispassionately, there would not be a great impact fiscally.

058

Rep. Farr

Asks to what extent education in-state is subsidized.

065

Kerans

Responds state support declines by the month, but the number is around 5,000 in full.

068

Rep. Hopson

Requests the foreign student tuition.

070

Kerans

Responds that foreign and out-of-state tuition are the same.

075

Rep. Hopson

Answers that the board has rejected caps and that enrollment management is utilized. Speaks on the range of students the bill could affect. Notes that the application requires students to indicate they will seek citizenship.

114

Rep. Dalto

Requests the rate of students who graduate from Oregon high schools who matriculate to college.

119

McDonald

Notes 70% of the class of 2001 sought postsecondary somewhere if not in Oregon.

127

Rep. Dalto

Asks if he could surmise the percentage of students would attend college given a gap in enrollment.

130

McDonald

Concurs the amount of attendance decreases every three years a student remains out of school.

139

Rep. Dalto

Believes it is not easy to determine the amount of subsidized aid.

150

Kerans

Responds.

169

Rep. Scott

Requests how long after entry do students become citizens.

172

Kerans

Replies there is no administrative rule, believes it should be demonstrated progress as a student is enrolled.

174

Scott

Requests an estimate.

177

Kerans

Acknowledges that students do not always receive citizenship

182

Rep. Scott

Asks if it is reasonable to obtain citizenship status in a four year time period

185

Kerans

Responds that within five years a student could probably obtain that.

195

McDonald

Offers that citizenship rules are influx currently and that any estimate of INS would be difficult.

205

Kerans

Concludes.

210

Abel Carbgjal

LUS. Testifies in favor of SB 10-A.

268

Dr. Trevino

Commission on Hispanic Affairs. Testifies in favor of SB 10-A. Provides personal experience regarding education of immigrants. Believes it is much more expensive to deal with immigrants if they are not educated. Speaks on the armed forces involving immigrants.

354

Brenda Sifuentez

Oregon Students of Color Coalition, Oregon Students Association. Testifies in favor of SB 10-A (EXHIBIT F). Addresses and rebuts the arguments of the opposition.

424

Rep. Dalto

Comments on students who have not yet matriculated. Asks about his experiences with attaining citizenship.

432

Carbgjal

Responds that youth tend to lose hope over time.

TAPE 66, B

018

Rep. Dalto

Asks what happens to the students who cannot afford college. Asks if the students are deported.

025

Carbgjal

Comments on the situations of those who do not attend college.

035

Sifuentez

Adds she knows of a situation of deportation.

038

Rep. Dalto

Asks if there is an overflow room.

040

Carbgjal

Notes there is an overflow room full of students in support of SB 10-A.

045

Rep. Farr

Notes he spent six years in the United States before attaining citizenship.

053

Margarita Vazquez

Woodburn High School. Testifies in favor of SB 10-A. Believes some students are in the process of legalization as they apply and attend school.

083

Sen. Gary George

District 12. Notes he was a ‘no’ vote in the Senate. Testifies in opposition to SB 10-A. Refers the committee to section 2 of the bill and to the Illegal Immigration Act. Believes illegal immigrants will be considered U.S. citizens. Believes the issue will be challenged.

120

Rep. Dalto

Poses question regarding the bill.

130

Sen. George

Responds.

140

Rep. Dalto

Poses question concerning the implications of SB 10-A.

142

Sen. George

Believes the bill sends a bad message and provides an incentive for those to immigrate illegally.

153

Rep. Avakian

Does not see that illegal immigrants are treated as United States citizens in the bill.

158

Sen. George

Responds that treatment is that of a citizen.

168

Jim Ludwig

Oregon for Immigration Reform (OFIR). Testifies in opposition of SB 10-A (EXHIBIT G). Believes in the current budget crisis that it is unfair to provide these options. Presents information on a fiscal impact. Believes SB 10-A is a ‘sneaky attempt’ to outlaw the federal government. States it is a ‘slap in the face’ to those who have followed immigration law to become citizens.

284

Rep. Dalto

Clarifies he believes there are 10,000 students that would take advantage of this.

290

Ludwig

Answers that if one percent of the illegal immigrants in the system took advantage, it would cost ten million dollars.

299

Rep. Dalto

Requests if Mr. Ludwig is a sociologist.

301

Ludwig

American citizen.

303

Rep. Dalto

Clarifies his testimony. Asks how many of those immigrants are even qualified to attend college.

323

Ludwig

Responds that according to statute that you cannot ask if a person is an illegal immigrant in Oregon.

327

Elizabeth Van Staaveren

Citizen, McMinnville. Testifies in opposition to SB 10-A (EXHIBIT H). Believes the bill condones and encourages illegal immigration. Acknowledges that all children deal with the decisions of their parents. 

401

Rep. Dalto

Asks if she is a member of OFIR.

403

Van Staaveren

Affirms.

405

Rep. Dalto

Requests how many are in the group.

407

Van Staaveren

Answers 200-300 members.

410

Bob Phillips

OFIR. Testifies in opposition of SB 10-A (EXHIBIT I). Provides statistics on immigration. Believes the data on the problem is irrefutable.

TAPE 67, B

007

Phillips

Clarifies the issues is not one of groups or exclusion. Believes the bill is discriminatory. Voices concern that any legislator would consider the vote for the bill without knowing the financial impact on

040

Rep. Farr

Clarifies he believes that immigrants are degrading Oregon.

045

Phillips

Responds yes.

048

Rep. Farr

Asserts that he and the members of his family are immigrants and are degrading the quality of Oregon.

055

Phillips

Responds that they are talking about each other.

060

Rep. Dalto

Wonders if immigrants go straight to college when they immigrate.

070

Phillips

Believes the bill provides special treatment and an incentive for immigrants to come to Oregon.

074

Rep. Dalto

Mentions that two of the six members present are members of an immigrant family.

080

Phillips

Believes when people cross borders they choose the best, and they would choose Oregon. Believes the more people there are in Oregon, the more the quality of life de

090

Bob Van Ry

OFIR. Testifies in opposition to SB 10-A.

100

Peter Dane

(EXHIBIT J)

199

Doug Smith

Requests a formal fiscal statement be created and issued.

 

Bob Pankratz

Submits written testimony on SB 10-A (EXHIBIT K).

205

Chair Backlund

Closes public hearing on SB 10-A.  Open work session on SB 388.

SB 388 – WORK SESSION

225

Sen. Rick Metsger

District 26. Testifies in favor of HB 388-A. Explains the bill with regard to the Oregon School Athletics Association (OSAA). Believes the bill would provide clarity to the issue.

260

Chair Backlund

Refers the senator to the amendment and poses question.

270

Sen. Metsger

Concurs.

275

Chair Backlund

Offers that the OSAA has an important role and believes the essence of the bill should be moved.

283

Sen. Metsger

Comments.

305

Rep. Hopson

MOTION:  Moves SB 388A to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

309

 

VOTE:  6-0-1

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  1 - Nolan

 

Chair Backlund

The motion CARRIES.

REP. AVAKIAN will lead discussion on the floor.

315

Chair Backlund

Closes work session on SB 388. Opens work session on SB 130.

SB 130 – WORK SESSION

326

Jim Keller

Reads SMS on SB 130.

334

Joyce Dougherty

Oregon Department of Education (ODE). Testifies in favor of SB 130 (EXHIBIT L).

375

Rep. Hopson

MOTION:  Moves SB 130 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

379

 

VOTE:  6-0-1

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  1 - Nolan

 

Chair Backlund

The motion CARRIES.

REP. DALTO will lead discussion on the floor.

391

Chair Backlund

Closes work session on SB 130. Opens work session on SB 287.

SB 287 – WORK SESSION

393

Jim Keller

Reads SMS on SB 287 (EXHIBIT M).

395

Sen. Ryan Deckert

Testifies in favor of SB 287 (EXHIBIT N). Notes Oregon is the hungriest state in the nation. Believes SB 287 would help children to eat in the summer months. Requests the committee to adopt the -2 amendments and pass the bill without a sub ref.

460

Chair Backlund

Notes the creation of a task force with the -2 amendment.

465

Sen. Deckert

Responds on the changes. Believes they

471

Rep. Hopson

Understands the -2 will create a volunteer task force and there will be no cost.

TAPE 68, A

040

Sen. Deckert

Concurs.

049

Karen Roth

FOOD for Lane County. Testifies in favor of SB 287 (EXHIBIT O).

102

Jennifer Gibson

Clatsop County. Testifies in favor of SB 287 (EXHIBIT P). Shares a personal family experience with hunger to illustrate the need for the summer food service program.

137

Tina Kotek

Children First for Oregon. Testifies in favor of SB 287(EXHIBIT Q). Believes the bill is the most important for hunger in the state. States Children First supports the bill with the amendments. Notes Oregon is one of the few states that do not provide funds. Informs the committee of the vision for the task force. Requests the committee rescind the subsequent referral to Ways and Means.

198

Chair Backlund

Clarifies her feelings on the -2.

204

Kotek

States they had more of a ‘advisory group’ ideal, instead of ‘task force’.

210

Chair Backlund

Requests they work with Jim Keller on the amendments.

219

Patricia O’Sullivan

PPS, Oregon School Boards Association (OSBA), Confederation of School Administrators (COSA). Testifies in favor of SB 287. Notes she opposed the bill in the Senate without amendments as it provided an unfunded mandate. Explains the intentions of summer food programs. Notes her intentions for the money.

332

Rep. Avakian

Asks if they really need a task force.

335

O’Sullivan

Responds.

343

Rep. Avakian

Restates question. Asks if a task force is needed in statute.

347

O’Sullivan

Replies that others believe so and that she does not oppose them.

355

Patti Whitney-Wise

Oregon Hunger Relief Task Force. Testifies in favor of SB 287 (EXHIBIT R). States the group is willing to work on the amendments.

376

Chair Backlund

Requests they work on the amendments. Adjourns meeting at 4:30 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – SB 10-A, John Ingram, 2 pp

B – SB 10-A, Sen. Peter Courtney, 2 pp

C – SB 10-A, Sen. Peter Courtney, 2 pp

D – SB 10-A, Grattan Kerans, 2 pp

E – SB 10-A, David McDonald, 2 pp

F – SB 10-A, Brenda Sifuentez, 2 pp

G – SB 10-A, Jim Ludwig, 7 pp

H – SB 10-A, Elizabeth Van Staaveren, 4 pp

I – SB 10-A, Bob Phillips, 1 p

J – SB 10-A, Peter Dane, 1 p

K – SB 10-A, Bob Pankratz, 1 p

L – SB 130, Joyce Dougherty, 15 pp

M – SB 287-2, Staff, 3 pp

N – SB 287, Sen. Ryan Deckert, 1 p

O – SB 287, Karen Roth, 2 pp

P – SB 287, Jennifer Gibson, 1 p

Q –  SB 287, Tina Kotek, 1 p

R – SB 287, Patti Whitney-Wise, 2 pp