HOUSE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

April 21, 2003 Hearing Room E

1:00 PM Tapes  73 - 74

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Vic Backlund, Chair

Rep. Pat Farr, Vice-Chair

Rep. Elaine Hopson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Billy Dalto

Rep. Mary Nolan

Rep. Wayne Scott

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Jim Keller, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            Informational Meeting

                                                -Oregon University System Report on Performance Indicators

                                                SB 525-A – Work Session

                                                SB 761 – Work Session

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 73, A

004

Chair Backlund

Calls meeting to order at 1:35 PM. Welcomes colleagues and audience. Opens informational meeting.

INFORMATIONAL MEETING

009

Dr. Richard Jarvis

Chancellor, Oregon University System (OUS). Presents OUS Performance and Accountability as required by SB 919 (EXHIBIT A). Refers the committee to the annual report card adopted by OUS (EXHIBIT B). Lists the performance indicators, focusing on quality. Notes all quality measures have improved steadily since 1997 when SB 919 was passed. Overviews quality related measures:

  • Diversity
  • Freshman persistence to second year
  • Bachelor’s completion
  • Sponsored research and other support
  • Philanthropic support

112

Rep. Farr

Asks if philanthropic support listed includes athletic donations.

115

Dr. Jarvis

Responds he is unsure. Begins results overview of the five year change. Notes early warning signs by the study and elaborates:

  • Increasing student-faculty ratios
  • Non-competitive faulty compensation
  • More part-time faculty
  • Reduced course sections
  • Deferring life-cycle capital repairs

170

Dr. Jarvis

Speaks on access driven by funding in two and four year colleges in terms of annual FTE (Full Time Equivalent) enrollment.

201

Chair Backlund

Remarks on the current system.

207

Dr. Jarvis

Believes that is a fair statement.

213

Rep. Hopson

Speaks on the lack of intention to cap enrollment. Wonders how this will be balanced with increased funding and  class sizes

221

Dr. Jarvis

Responds with regard to ‘capping’ and notes they will take all students they have a schedule for, although it may not be what students need.

234

Chair Backlund

Closes informational meeting. Opens work session on SB 525-A.

SB 525-A – WORK SESSION

237

Jim Keller

Committee Administrator. Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS) on SB 525-A. Notes a -2 amendment (EXHIBIT C).

250

Rep. Alan Brown

House District 10. Shares account of a student seeking admission within OUS. Testifies in favor of SB 525-A. 

299

Mark Bigger

Office of Rep. Brown. Speaks to the -2 amendments as they specifically help the student’s case.

320

Grattan Kerans

OUS. States OUS will work to ensure those who serve in the armed forces will receive every possible benefit. Notes there is a type of reverse discrimination represented in the measure as OUS believes that residency by mail could be obtained. States that the residency requirements are present in the state for one year prior to enrollment. 

370

Chair Backlund

Appears that the current requirement would be superceded if the person was paying Oregon taxes.

377

Kerans

Affirms.

382

Chair Backlund

Any ideas as to how many in OUS the bill would affect.

387

Kerans

Responds there is no certain way of knowing.

400

Chair Backlund

Adds that a public hearing was overlooked in considering the bill. Asks if there is anyone in the audience to testify.

TAPE 74, A

007

Rep. Dalto

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 525A-2 amendments dated 4/16/03.

012

Rep. Hopson

Informs the committee she will vote ‘yes’. Voices concern in the potential to limit others from participating in OUS. Believes at some point, long-term residents may be precluded by those allowed for by measures like these.

020

Rep. Nolan

Does not believe the bill presents a genuine emergency.

031

Rep. Dalto

MOTION:  Moves SB 525A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

039

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Backlund

The motion CARRIES.

REP. BROWN will lead discussion on the floor.

039

Chair Backlund

Closes work session on SB 525-A. Opens work session on SB 761.

SB 761 – WORK SESSION

043

Jim Keller

Reads SMS on SB 761.

047

Chair Backlund

Explains the committee will take some public testimony on the measure.

055

Sen. Bruce Starr

District 13. Testifies in favor of SB 761. Notes the cost savings to be achieved by the bill. Recognizes that in order to have a successfully educated child, their parents must be actively involved in their education. Informs he is working with the Governor on the issue on concerns with the issue. Speaks on issues of the opposition.

166

Rep. Hopson

Poses question regarding the Education Service District (ESD) testing mechanism and for the parents.

171

Sen. Starr

Believes it is an extrapolation of the costs for the tests.

183

Dorothy Karman

Oregon Christian Home Education Association. Testifies in favor of SB 761 (EXHIBIT D). Believes the bill will align Oregon law with the United States Constitution. Presents Supreme Court cases to illustrate that ‘parents’ rights are fundamental’. Requests equity in issues of private schools and home education. Speaks on the No Child Left Behind (NCLB) Act HR 1 SEC. 9506 by Congress addressing home school education. Addresses opposing viewpoints. Believes that there is no procedure that guarantees children will learn in public schools. Does not feel there is a compelling reason to require testing of home schooled students. Notes that conversations are being held with the Governor and request that voting on the measure be held.

330

Jean Biggerstaff

Oregon Home Education Network (OHEN). Testifies in favor of SB 761. Speaks on reports that correlate data. Notes there are many ways for home schoolers to obtain resources. States that home schooling is the epitome of parental involvement.

375

Amy Grant

President, OHEN. Highlights statistics on home schooled versus public schooled students with regard to progress. Speaks on state mandates with regard to public, private, and home school education. Addresses concern that arose on the Senate side. Poses hypothetical situation to illustrate those who break the law will not educate their child with or without state laws on home education.

TAPE 73, B

004

Grant

Suggests that the current home school law is ineffective, inappropriate, and places the burden of solving a ‘significant social issue’ on a minute group of home schooled students. Mentions a discussion with the Governor’s aide. Responds to an earlier questions regarding the $500,000 estimate in savings for services and the $250,000 savings in cost to the government for testing.

058

Rep. Hopson

Appreciates the data. Asks how the comparative data with public schools was solicited and ascertained. Notices a common thread of an imposing burden on home schoolers and requests what entails the verbiage.

077

Grant

Believes the state is imposing a mandate on testing. Relates personal experiences. Believes it is very important for families to tailor information and learning to the individual student. Discusses critical thought.  

113

Rep. Hopson

Agrees with her thinking, but questions the imposition as the tests are basic reading and mathematics.

123

Grant

Responds her daughter has always tested well but does not agree with the tests. Notes her son has a learning disability and she will not subject him to the tests.

133

Biggerstaff

Responds to assessments and believes they work well to compare large groups of students and does not feel they are a valid individual assessment tool.

143

Karman

Adds to the statements regarding individualized testing. Comments on percentiles versus percents represented in material.

162

Rodger Williams

Board Member, Oregon Christian Home Education Association. Responds to Rep. Hopson’s earlier questions. Offers personal account of his daughter and son relating to the standardized tests. States that the testing was an unnecessary burden to his family as his son developed at a much slower rate than his daughter. 

215

Scott Perry

Students Services Director, Linn-Benton ESD. Testifies on SB 761. Explains his involvement with home school families. Sees two types of homes schooling families. Offers patterns in requests for home schooling for youth in question, and truant youth. Informs the committee of his request for Ann Lundin to track attendance patterns with regard to home schooling. Voices concern for the 5-10% of home schooled youth who are not receiving a valid education. Believes home school law should be strengthened, not eliminated. Restates his hope for responsible home schooling families to have little restriction placed on them.

315

Ann Lundin

Attendance Officer, Linn-Benton ESD. Voices concerns for the accountability aspect of parental registration with the ESD. Notes she does offer citations for truant families and in doing so, often incurs another home school registry. Offers negative effects the measure would allow for. Voices concern for educated youth and the need for job skills later in life. Discusses her personal experiences with truant families.

TAPE 74, B

001

Jonathan Hill

Superintendent, Lake County ESD. Comments on the seldom occurrence of truant families in Lake County as it is a small ESD. Does not feel the registration process should be a burden to families. Lists the benefits of registration. Discusses testing for home schools students. Voices concern for testing results being very low or very high. Notes there is not a great alternative for truant youth to be educated.

058

Lundin

Comments on parents of a truant student. 

065

Rep. Dalto

Asks Ms. Lundin if her comments are an indictment to home schooling in general or representative of worst case scenarios.

075

Lundin

Responds that as a social worker, she does see many worst case scenarios. Reiterates concern for home schooling used as a ‘way out’.

084

Rep. Dalto

Requests who she is addressing.

088

Lundin

Notes her comments are of those who use homes schooling as a ‘way out’.

091

Perry

Adds that is 5-10% of the home school population. Explains his data.

105

Rep. Farr

Requests the percentage of truant students who become home schooled students.

110

Lundin

Responds.

114

Rep. Farr

Clarifies there is a means for identifying students.

118

Hill

Answers concerning the registration system. Argues that there is no other comparable system for obtaining the information without the system.

125

Lundin

Informs further of the system.

136

Steve Novick

Assistant to Superintendent of Public Instruction, Oregon Department of Education (ODE). Informs the committee that Superintendent Susan Castillo is opposed to the bill (EXHIBIT E). Presents provisions for school attendance (EXHIBIT F). Notes there is regulation of private schools. Explains the reasons behind opposition. 

180

Laurie Wimmer-Whalen

Oregon Education Association (OEA). Testifies in opposition to SB 761. Discusses the need for educational access. Believes most parents who choose to home school have great results. Believes a minimum state requirement should exist. Notes 41 states have minimum home schooling requirements. Adds that Oregon requirements are already minimal in comparison. Points out that the bill received 20 votes on the Senate side but notes that the lobby against the bill was not as present.  

267

Randy Harnisch

ODE. Believes the bill could impact attendance officers in dealing with truancy.

289

Rep. Nolan

Speaks on the rights of children to an education, believes it is in the interest of citizens to have a commonly educated student. Requests Mr. Novick to respond.

309

Novick

Believes that if a ‘common heritage’ was heavily sought, home school would be abandoned. Concurs society does have an interest in a commonly educated child.

326

Rep. Avakian

Requests the number of truant families is acceptable to the witnesses.

334

Harnisch

Believes it is a fair approximation, although an approximation.

336

Rep. Avakian

Wonders if the truant statistics are failing anyway, the home school system students are not failing.

349

Whalen

Does not think the system is failing families, but that parents are failing the students.

360

Novick

Responds that passage of the bill relays a message that society accepts truancy by some families.

367

Rep. Avakian

Discusses that the students are already failing. Requests why removal of testing as a home school student assessments would affect the family dynamic.

390

Whalen

Believes that if there is a law, families will comply.

393

Rep. Dalto

Cautions Mr. Novick for his use of language.

397

Novick

Apologizes.

404

Chair Backlund

Closes the work session on SB 761. Adjourns the meeting at 3:25 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – Informational, Richard Jarvis, 9 pp

B – Informational, Richard Jarvis, 4 pp

C – SB 525-A2, Staff, 1 p

D – SB 761, Dorothy Karman, 2 pp

E – SB 761, Susan Castillo, 1 p

F – SB 761, Steve Novick, 3 pp