HOUSE COMMITTEE ON EDUCATION

 

 

April 23, 2003 Hearing Room E

1:00 PM Tapes  75 - 76

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Vic Backlund, Chair

Rep. Pat Farr, Vice-Chair

Rep. Elaine Hopson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Billy Dalto

Rep. Mary Nolan

Rep. Wayne Scott

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Jim Keller, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     SB 374A – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                SB 185 – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                SB 870 – Public Hearing and Work Session

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 75, A

004

Chair Backlund

Calls meeting to order at 1:40 PM. Welcomes colleagues and audience. Opens public hearing on SB 374A.

SB 374A – PUBLIC HEARING

009

Senator Vicki Walker

District 7. Testifies in favor of SB 374. Explains the bill gives high schools diplomas upon request to veterans of certain wars. Notes that Sen. Hannon also proposed a similar bill and this bill is the result of the interests. Lists there is an emergency clause. Points out there are thirty two states already bestowing honorary diplomas on veterans.

044

Chair Backlund

Adds comment on Vietnam War.

048

Sen. Walker

Does not feel addition of the war in Vietnam should be added.

050

Rep. Dalto

Speaks on a separate bill.

056

Sen. Walter

Responds on the inclusion of student in the process.

060

Chair Backlund

Appreciates the inclusion of World War I (WWI).

065

Sen. Walter

Offers her father participated in World War II (WWII).

070

Paula Brown

Oregon Department of Veterans’ Affairs (DVA). Testifies in favor of SB 374 A. Lists reasons veterans should receive an honorary diploma. Speaks on the learning experiences of veterans. Notes the DVA worked with the Oregon Department of Education (ODE) and states the diplomas are ‘honorary’ due to Certificate of Initial Mastery and Certificate of Advanced Mastery (CIM/CAM) requirements.

120

Dennis Hooyman

Vietnam Veteran. Explains he is not offended by being excluded by the bill. Believes the Korean veterans should be honored. Testifies in favor of SB 374A.

125

Brown

Recognizes there are six living WWI veterans in Oregon.

130

Greg Warnock

Oregon Veterans’ Association. Testifies in favor of SB 374A. Believes it is a tangible honor to veterans.

150

Rep. Nolan

Asks what the tangible value of a ‘real’ versus ‘honorary’ diploma. Requests differentiation.

155

Warnock

Explains veterans typically receive honorary notes often, and that a real diploma is more meaningful.

171

Hooyman

Agrees with Mr. Warnock that an ‘honorary’ award was often a ‘fake’ award as many Vietnam awards were ‘honorary’.

190

Rep. Nolan

States she wishes to honor veterans. Explains she has difficulty in awarding a full diploma to veterans.

204

Brown

Explains a real high school diploma validates veterans’ time served. Submits that those who received a full diploma would not take issue with the veterans’ receipt of a full diploma.

232

Rep. Avakian

Clarifies that the government would give the benefit of the doubt in the situation and have received a full diploma.

238

Brown

Believes that is a fair statement.

245

Warnock

Explains that is exactly what the intention.

252

Chair Backlund

Closes public hearing and opens work session on SB 374A.

SB 374A – WORK SESSION

258

Rep. Scott

MOTION:  Moves SB 374A to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

260

 

VOTE:  6-1

AYE:               6 - Avakian, Dalto, Farr, Hopson, Scott, Backlund

NAY:               1 - Nolan

 

Chair Backlund

The motion CARRIES.

REP. DALTO will lead discussion on the floor.

269

Chair Backlund

Closes work session on SB 374A. Opens public hearing on SB 185.

SB 185 – PUBLIC HEARING 

280

Jim Keller

Committee Administrator. Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS) on SB 185.

282

Jeff Svejcar

Oregon Student Assistance Commission. Explains the reasoning behind SB 185 and why the bill is before the committee. Refers committee to the information provided on the student loan guarantee business (EXHIBIT A).  Points out the loan program provides for state government service changes. Speaks further on the loan program.

373

Rep. Farr

Asks if the bill would diminish opportunities for Oregon students.

376

Svejcar

Responds it would not.

385

Rep. Farr

Confirms.

389

Rep. Hopson

Clarifies the student loans policy.

401

Svejcar

Affirms and explains that the commission has relationships with border states coming into Oregon schools.

TAPE 76, A

007

Rep. Hopson

Understands the policy for those in close proximity. Clarifies Oregon is providing a process for out of state students. Asks what is missing.

016

Svejcar

Responds that students do not care who their guarantor is.

020

Rep. Hopson

Asks why they are providing the service to out of state students.

024

Svejcar

Responds it is a federal student loan program and that the federal government accepts the program and would allow for more resources.

031

Rep. Hopson

Questions how Oregon benefits from this.

033

Svejcar

Answers that increased volumes allow for more resources to use for Oregon students.

040

Rep. Nolan

Asks what the default rate is.

042

Svejcar

Answers five percent.

044

Rep. Nolan

Asks what occurs there is no adverse impact for those from other states who default on the loans.

052

Svejcar

Explains they are reinsured by the federal government.

057

Rep. Nolan

Inquires if other states ‘poach’ on Oregon.

059

Svejcar

Affirms and adds the bill would allow us to compete nationally.

063

Rep. Nolan

Asks how the commission would measure performance.

066

Svejcar

Revenue and budget expenditure standpoint would allow the commission to redirect funds.

075

Rep. Nolan

Requests the net benefit from the bill the commission the commission assumes for its 2003-2005 budget.

085

Svejcar

Answers $160,000 net.

091

Chair Backlund

Asks about the number of student the commission guarantees and what it would project.

095

Svejcar

Notes he does not have the information.

103

Chair Backlund

Closes the public hearing and opens work session on SB 185.

SB 185 – WORK SESSION

106

Rep. Farr

MOTION:  Moves SB 185 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

111

Rep. Nolan

Notes the bill seems like a reasonable experiment, and would be comfortable with it being treated as a pilot with a sunset clause to show it is helping Oregon students.

122

Chair Backlund

Notes the subsequent referral to Ways and Means.

126

Rep. Farr

Withdraws motion.

127

Rep. Farr

MOTION:  Moves SB 185 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation and BE REFERRED to the committee on Ways and Means by prior reference.

129

Rep. Nolan

Explains her concerns with the bill. State she will vote no on passage.

136

Rep. Hopson

Offers she will vote yes, but shares Rep. Nolan’s concerns. Poses question regarding funds.  

140

Rep. Dalto

Questions the reason for subsequent referral.

144

Jim Keller

Notes there is a fiscal impact.

155

Chair Backlund

Informs the committee the bill will be brought back.

165

Rep. Nolan

Adds this will give the commission to amendment the bill. Comments on the subsequent referral to Ways and Means. Amend it too. And rescind ref.

171

Rep. Farr

Withdraws motion.

173

Chair Backlund

Closes work session on SB 185. Opens public hearing on SB 870.

SB 870 – PUBLIC HEARING

185

Jim Keller

Reads SMS on SB 870. (EXHIBIT B).

205

Dr. Phillip Creighton

President, Eastern Oregon University (EOU) Testifies in favor of HB 870. Notes EOU intends to work closely with the state board on the matter. Explains the reasoning for the pilot program and its intentions.

235

Chair Backlund

Asks if supports the -1 amendment.

240

Dr. Creighton

Affirms he does.

244

Dr. Jim Sorenson

President, Treasure Valley Community College (TVCC). Testifies in favor of HB 870. Believes there are great benefits in the pilot program.

296

Rep. Farr

Asks if he is comfortable with the -1 amendments.

300

Dr. Sorenson

Prefers the original language, but would be comfortable with the -1 amendments.

310

Rep. Farr

Believes one of the sponsors of the bill is has concerned with the -1 amendments.

317

Grattan Kerans

Oregon University System (OUS). Testifies in support of the -1 amendments to SB 870 as it would be acceptable to OUS and the State Board of Education (EXHIBIT C). Explains the -1 amendments.

351

Cam Preus-Braly

Commissioner of Community Colleges, Department of Workforce Development (CCWD). Testifies on SB 870. Notes CCWD does not have calendar authority. States CCWD support the bill with the -1 amendments.  Believes quarter and semester system issues should be taken on at a state level.

371

Kerans

Adds that in a conversation with Rep. Greg Smith, it was indicated that if the university presidents agreed with the -1 amendments, he would also. Suggests a work session at the next meeting to allow for work on the amendments.

400

Rep. Hopson

Clarifies that the work group would encompass the whole university system.

405

Kerans

Responds that the study would include the joint boards and the three institutions.

414

Rep. Hopson

Asks if the colleges have already approached the state board.

419

Kerans

Notes he is not aware of any formal requests for a study

424

Rep. Hopson

Asks why the universities would not then approach the state board on the matter.

430

Kerans

Defers to Dr. Creighton

435

Dr. Creighton

Responds that the parties involved felt that legislative direction would be a helpful first step.

TAPE 75, B

003

Rep. Hopson

Questions if it would be appropriate to got through the State Board of Education.

007

Dr. Creighton

Responds that the parties are not seeking to change the schedule, but to implement a pilot program.

011

Rep Avakian

Asks if the State Board of Education has the authority to agree to the pilot program, why that outlet is not utilized.

015

Dr. Creighton

Answers and speaks on a legislative mandate being helpful.

032

Kerans

Speaks on what the -1 amendments would accomplish. Explains they would call for a feasibility study.

047

Rep. Farr

Notes Rep. Smith is in the audience.

052

Rep. Greg Smith

House District 57. Testifies in favor of SB 870 in its current form. Explains the bill would allow universities to put additional dollars into its program.

080

Rep. Hopson

Clarifies the savings incurred by a switch in semester and quarter system.

084

Rep. Smith

Responds with regard to various savings enjoyed by the change in system. Shares that the idea came from the educational leaders in Eastern Oregon.

101

Rep. Hopson

Wonders why OUS and the community college system are not suggesting the system.

107

Rep. Smith

Notes today was the first time he knew of any opposition to the bill.

114

Rep. Hopson

Asks if there has been attempt to work with OUS and the community college system on the program.

116

Rep. Smith

Believes so.

117

Rep. Hopson

Requests what the outcome was.

119

Rep. Smith

Responds with the reasons he supports the measure. Reiterates the program is an opportunity to save funds to redirect them to students. Restates he does not wish for the bill to be amended.

130

Rep. Hopson

Asks about the fiscal impact.

132

Jim Keller

Responds there is a fiscal, and upon recess it will be received.

136

Kerans

Responds to Rep. Smith’s earlier comments. Explains his situation for failure to testify in opposition and his request for amendments and apologizes to Rep. Smith.

152

Preus-Braly

States she is aware of what has transpired on the issue. Adds she cannot imagine interest in a pilot that would offer a cost savings.

171

Rep. Hopson

Clarifies that all community colleges are now on the quarter system.

173

Preus-Braly

Affirms.

175

Rep. Hopson

Clarifies that ODE makes the decision of quarters versus semesters for colleges.

177

Preus-Braly

Negates. State Board of Education. Speaks further on control over the issue.

197

Rep. Hopson

Understands that the community colleges involved have the authority to make the change of system from semesters to quarters.

200

Preus-Braly

Affirms the colleges do, but adds that all the other colleges have quarter systems.

207

Rep. Farr

Believes the intent of the bill is valid. Requests his concerns with the amendments.

213

Rep. Smith

States this is the first opportunity he has had to see the amendments. Believes that if there was opposition, he should have been informed of it prior to the public hearing.

232

Chair Backlund

Closes public hearing and opens work session on SB 870.

SB 870 – WORK SESSION

236

Rep. Farr

MOTION:  Moves SB 870 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation and the SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to the committee on Ways and Means BE RESCINDED.

252

Rep. Hopson

Avows she is strongly opposed to the measure. Believes the colleges involved are able to make decisions on their own. Does not feel it is the place of the legislature to make the decision, and it should fall to OUS. Notes she is not opposed to the quarter or semester system. States she will be a ‘no’ vote.

272

Rep. Avakian

Agrees with Rep. Hopson’s opinions with the exception that he is frustrated that the parties would attempt to pass a law on the issue seeing as they may already have the authority to accomplish the task. Asserts that for that reason he must oppose the bill.

289

Rep. Scott

Asks Rep. Smith for his reasons for opposing the -1 amendments.

301

Rep. Smith

Responds the university system would like to maintain the relationships it currently enjoys. Notes the constituents of his district have requested he seek savings and that funds be directed to classroom instruction. Points out the Senate agreed. Mentions if the bill does pass he will work with opposition on the measure.

344

Chair Backlund

States discontent with the disagreement among the committee on the measure. Adds he will be a ‘yes’ vote.

367

Dalto

Requests the motion be restated.

370

Chair Backlund

Repeats the motion.

374

 

VOTE:  4-3

AYE:               4 - Dalto, Farr, Scott, Backlund

NAY:               3 - Avakian, Hopson, Nolan

 

Chair Backlund

The motion CARRIES.

REP. SMITH will lead discussion on the floor.

377

Chair Backlund

Closes work session on SB 870. Adjourns the meeting at 3:04 PM.

 

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – SB 185, Jeff Svejcar, 1 p

B – SB 870-1, Staff, 1 p

C – SB 870, Grattan Kerans, 1 p