HOUSE COMMITTEE ON
ENVIRONMENT AND LAND USE
April 10, 2003 Hearing Room HR E
8:30 AM Tapes 52
- 54
MEMBERS PRESENT: Rep. Bill Garrard, Chair
Rep. Dennis Richardson, Vice-Chair
Rep. Cliff Zauner, Vice-Chair
Rep. Robert Ackerman
Rep. Dan Doyle
Rep. Mitch Greenlick
Rep. Diane Rosenbaum
STAFF PRESENT: Ray
Kelly, Committee Administrator
David Peffley, Committee Assistant
MEASURES HEARD: HB
3175 – Work Session
HB 3106 - Work Session
HB 3228 – Public Hearing
HB 3211 – Public Hearing and Work
Session
HB 3013 – Public Hearing
HB 3061, HB 2898, HB 2899, HB 2945, HB 3245 – Public
Hearing
HB 3408, HB 3017, HB 3144, HB 2617,
HB 3315 – Public Hearing
HB 3137, HB 2909, HB 2910, HB 3404,
HB 2790 – Public Hearing
HB 3561, HB 3121, HB 3083, HB 3457,
HB 3282 – Public Hearing
HJR 35, HB 3558, HB 3120, HB 3181,
HB 3459 – Public Hearing
These minutes are in
compliance with Senate and House Rules.
Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact
words. For complete contents,
please refer to the tapes.
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TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
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TAPE 52, A |
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003 |
Chair Garrard |
Calls the meeting to order at 8:43 AM and opens a
work session on HB 3175. |
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HB 3175
– WORK SESSION |
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012 |
Chair Garrard |
Announces the -2 amendments (EXHIBIT A) to HB 3175. |
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015 |
John Ledger |
Associated Oregon Industries (AOI). Testifies to the drafting and the
modifications to HB 3175 as put forth by the -2 amendments. |
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033 |
Lauri Aunan |
Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ). Submits (EXHIBIT B) and testifies that the amendments met DEQ’s
requirements. |
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052 |
Rep.
Richardson |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 3175-2 amendments dated 4/9/03. |
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058 |
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VOTE:
6-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 - Rosenbaum |
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061 |
Chair Garrard |
The motion CARRIES. |
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093 |
Rep.
Greenlick |
MOTION: Moves HB
3175 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and the
SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to the committee on Ways and Means BE RESCINDED. |
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100 |
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VOTE:
6-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 - Rosenbaum |
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106 |
Chair Garrard |
The motion CARRIES. |
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113 |
Rep.
Richardson |
MOTION: Moves HB
3175 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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117 |
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VOTE:
7-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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121 |
Chair Garrard |
The motion CARRIES. |
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123 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the work session on HB 3175 and opens a work
session on HB 3016. |
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HB 3016
– WORK SESSION |
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123 |
Ray Kelly |
Introduces the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT C). |
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139 |
Ross Day |
Oregonians In Action (OIA). Speaks to the -1 amendment language
modifications and their effects. |
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196 |
Rep. Ackerman |
Addresses financing mechanisms and asks Day how they
would work. |
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203 |
Day |
Addresses maintenance agreements and improvement
districts as they relate to the bill. |
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217 |
Rep. Richardson |
Asks about local governmental obligations. |
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219 |
Day |
Notes that local governments would be under no
obligations. |
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226 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Asks for clarifications about Section 4 with regard
to regulations. |
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250 |
Day |
States that there are no unintended consequences. |
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274 |
Bob Rindy |
Department of Land Conservation and Development
(DLCD). States that Goal 11 would
have to be amended or repealed as a result of this legislation. |
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279 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Restates the question about repealing Goal 11. |
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281 |
Rindy |
States that the amendment would cause DLCD to amend
Goal 11. |
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286 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Asks what Goal 11 specifically deals with. |
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290 |
Rindy |
States that Goal 11 deals with urban growth
boundaries. |
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302 |
Day |
Reaffirms the effect on shared community sewers. |
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305 |
Rindy |
Affirms that is correct. Adds that it can vary with geographic area. |
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310 |
Rep. Rosenbaum |
Asks about the bearing of costs on local government.
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321 |
Day |
Affirms that the intention is to lessen the burden
on local communities. |
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328 |
Rep. Rosenbaum |
Asks for clarification of the language on Page 2 of
the amendment. |
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334 |
Day |
Affirms that the intention is to hold local
governments harmless. |
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339 |
Rep. Rosenbaum |
Expresses concern that differing situations could
lead to contrary rulings. |
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345 |
Day |
Explains his broad concept of community. |
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352 |
Kelly |
Explains the process of moving the -1 amendments and
the subsequent referral to ways and means. |
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374 |
Rep.
Richardson |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 3016-1 amendments dated 4/9/03. |
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383 |
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VOTE:
7-0 |
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385 |
Chair Garrard |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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388 |
Rep.
Richardson |
MOTION: Moves HB
3016 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and BE
REFERRED to the committee on Ways and Means. |
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400 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Notes a potential conflict of interest. |
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420 |
Ray Kelly |
Clarifies laws relating to conflicts of interest. |
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428 |
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VOTE:
7-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. |
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433 |
Chair Garrard |
The motion CARRIES. |
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438 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the work session on HB 3016 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3228. |
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HB 3228
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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440 |
Ray Kelly |
Summarizes HB 3228. |
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TAPE 53, A |
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041 |
Art Schlack |
Association of Oregon Counties (AOC). Submits (EXHIBIT D) and urges the passage of HB 3228. Announces that the forthcoming amendments
will include infrastructure development and will be acceptable to DLCD. |
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064 |
Nan Evans |
Department of Land Conservation and Development
(DLCD). Submits (EXHIBIT E) and affirms that DLCD would support HB 3228 with some
key amendments. |
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097 |
Matt Spangler |
Planning and Development Director, Lincoln County. Gives historical background to HB 3228 and
affirms support for HB 3228. |
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155 |
Schlack |
Addresses Goal 19 and the issue of rip-rap. |
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175 |
Rep. Richardson |
Asks Evans if her objection might be assuaged if
1977 were added into the bill. |
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190 |
Evans |
Addresses DLCD’s concern and the additions which
could lead to support of this legislation. |
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198 |
Richardson |
Confirms Evans’ support for Section 1. |
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200 |
Evans |
States that her concern is with Section 2, sub
1. Offers further clarification. |
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220 |
Rep. Greenlick |
States that he believes the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT F) address Evans’ concern. |
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233 |
Evans |
States that they do not and notes her specific
concerns. |
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241 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Follows up by confirming Evans’ concern. |
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247 |
Evans |
Reiterates DLCD’s concerns regarding Section 2, sub
1 in the changing or removal of development criteria. |
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251 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Confirms his understanding DLCD’s criteria. |
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256 |
Evans |
Affirms that Rep. Greenlick’s concerns are correct. |
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260 |
Onno Husing |
Director, Oregon Coastal Zone Management Association
(OCZMA). Submits (EXHIBIT G) and testifies in support of HB 3228. Asserts that Oregon’s land use system
gives us a competitive advantage but that we need to eliminate rip-rap. |
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410 |
Rep. Richardson |
States concern that citizens have a sense of anxiety
of the obstacles involved in the process.
Asks for a flow chart. |
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430 |
Husing |
Avers that he will produce the flow chart. |
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TAPE 52, B |
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015 |
Michael Collmeyer |
Submits (EXHIBIT
H) and testifies in opposition to HB 3228, citing concerns about eroding
the protection of public beaches. Attests
that such protection would be eroded by the weakening of Goal 18 as a result
of the passage of HB 3228. |
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060 |
Liz Frenkel |
League of Women Voters. Submits (EXHIBIT I) and
testifies in opposition to HB 3228, as there is not a demonstrated need to
amend Goal 17 or Goal 18. |
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101 |
Fran Recht |
Oregon Shores Conservation Coalition. Submits (EXHIBIT J) and testifies in opposition to HB 3228, also citing
Goal 18 concerns vis-à-vis rip-rap.
Affirms that this process is not redundant and is important to
protecting the beach. |
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166 |
Rep. Rosenbaum |
Asks Recht about her concerns about amending the
definition of infrastructure leading to a proliferation of rip-rap. |
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171 |
Recht |
Agrees that she is concerned about that scenario. |
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177 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Asks about protection of private property. |
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188 |
Collmeyer |
Refers to amendments to Goal 18, which would occur
by result of the passage of HB 3228. |
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202 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Asks about protection of private streets under the
current language. |
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205 |
Collmeyer |
Agrees with Rep. Greenlick’s interpretation. |
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211 |
Harlan Levy |
Oregon Association of Realtors (OAR). Testifies in support of HB 3228, which
would codify the status quo which has existed on the beach since Goal 18 was
established. |
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230 |
John Rosenberger |
Oregon Department of Transportation. Submits (EXHIBIT K) and testifies in favor of HB 3228. Affirms that ODOT does not automatically
default to rip-rap on projects without proper analysis. |
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260 |
Linda Ludwig |
League of Oregon Cities. Submits (EXHIBIT L) and
reaffirms earlier testimony that HB 3228 merely confirms the current policy
which has existed since 1977. |
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277 |
Rep. Rosenbaum |
Asks Rosenberger if Goal 18 prevents ODOT from erecting
rip-rap under emergency circumstances. |
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280 |
Rosenberger |
Replies that ODOT is granted the authority to erect
rip-rap in an emergency. |
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282 |
Rep. Rosenbaum |
Asks about other exceptions. |
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285 |
Rosenberger |
Replies to the federal exception process and notes
the difficulty in navigation. |
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310 |
Rep. Rosenbaum |
States that according to her understanding, the
authority is presently granted to intervene in an emergency. |
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313 |
Rosenberger |
Affirms that the exceptions process does not come
into play during an emergency. |
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318 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Asks how the process would change as a result of the
passage of HB 3228. |
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322 |
Rosenberger |
Details the effect on the federal process. |
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330 |
Rep. Richardson |
Asks for confirmation in Levy’s assertions on the
permitting process. |
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338 |
Levy |
Reiterates his understanding that this bill just
codifies what has always existed. |
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345 |
Chair Garrard |
Asks Husing and Spangler to get together with those
who have testified and work all concerns into an amendment. Closes the public hearing on HB 3228 and
opens a public hearing on HB 3211. |
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The following prepared testimony was submitted for
the record without public testimony for HB 3228. |
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Michael Carrier |
Submits (EXHIBIT
P). |
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HB 3211
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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366 |
Ray Kelly |
Summarizes HB 3211. |
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400 |
Rep. Farr |
HD 14.
Testifies in support of HB 3211.
Speaks of Bethel’s antipathy to Eugene’s tax code and resistance to
annexation. States that Santa Clara
runs the risk of suffering the same fate. |
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425 |
Rep. Ackerman |
HD 13.
Testifies in support of HB 3211.
Speaks to annexation as it relates to Eugene and Santa Clara. Asserts that Eugene’s policy amounts to
taxation without representation. |
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TAPE 53, B |
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020 |
Rep. Greenlick |
Asks Rep. Ackerman how the City of Eugene carries
out annexation. |
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023 |
Rep. Ackerman |
Addresses annexation strategies which could be
employed. |
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128 |
Rep. Farr |
Addresses the consolidated vote which could be
overwhelmed by the city. |
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043 |
Eugene Grant |
Mayor, Happy Valley. Testifies that this issue is not about growth, but
inclusion. States that inclusion
within a city will exacerbate the problem of insufficient resources. Recommends an amendment to make this bill
good public policy. |
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125 |
Chair Garrard |
Notes that this bill was scheduled for a hearing
because of a huge public outcry. |
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130 |
Grant |
Notes the support from many Portland-area mayors for
his policy and near unanimous opposition to HB 3211. |
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135 |
Jim Bernard |
Mayor, Milwaukee.
Testifies that annexation is vital to keeping public services
adequate. |
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148 |
Rep. Ackerman |
Questions Grant’s assertion that River Road in
Eugene is blighted. |
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153 |
Grant |
Doesn’t cite specifics, but recalls that when he
grew up there, River Road was a little run down. |
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171 |
Rep. Ackerman |
Asks Grant if he knows about the widening of River
Road. |
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175 |
Grant |
Notes that he does not. |
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183 |
Rep. Ackerman |
Asks Grant if he has noted the development in the
Beltline area. |
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188 |
Grant |
Responds that he has not. |
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193 |
Rep. Ackerman |
Notes that his property has doubled in value over
the past ten tears. |
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208 |
Linda Ludwig |
Submits (EXHIBIT
M) and testifies in opposition to HB 3211 in order to provide adequate
urban services. Asserts that HB 3211
would require a double majority vote. |
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280 |
Chair Garrard |
Recesses HB 3211 and opens a public hearing on HB
3013. |
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HB 3013
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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300 |
Rep. Susan Morgan |
HD 2.
Testifies in support of HB 3013 in order to address the implications
on the aggregate mining industry due to LUBA decisions. Speaks to those decisions’ adverse effect
on the economy of Southern Oregon. |
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384 |
Chair Garrard |
Recesses the public hearing on HB 3013 and reopens
the public hearing on HB 3211. |
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HB 3211
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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390 |
Art Schlack |
Addresses SB 100 and annexation as it was in 1973,
versus the situation today. Addresses
the services available to be offered and concludes that HB 3211 is
unnecessary. Affirms support for the
current process. |
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TAPE 54, A |
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002 |
Harlan Levy |
AOR. Briefly
states opposition to HB 3211, stating that he supports the present annexation
laws. |
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010 |
Jon Chandler |
States that there is a problem with the annexation
system, but that he does not believe HB 2911 sufficiently addresses the
problem and thus, opposes the bill. |
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045 |
Elizabeth Gracer Lindsay. |
Testifies with support for HB 3211 as it would help
protect the rights of rural property owners.
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102 |
Jerry Ritter |
Oregon Communities For a Voice in Annexations
(OCVA). Submits (EXHIBIT N) and
asserts that HB 3211 addresses serious flaws in ORS 195.205. Concurs with Rep. Ackerman’s assertion
that the current annexation laws do not allow for proper representation. |
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135 |
Jim Seaberry |
Submits (EXHIBIT
O) and testifies in favor of HB 3211.
Affirms previous testimony regarding annexation without approval. |
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190 |
Lance Margeson |
Supports HB 3211 and asserts that counties do just
as good a job as cities in providing services. |
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237 |
Chair Garrard |
Close the public hearing on HB 3211 and opens a work
session HB 3211. |
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The following prepared testimony is submitted for
the record without public testimony for HB 3211. |
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Merilyn Reeves |
Submits (EXHIBIT
Q). |
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HB 3211
–WORK SESSION |
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242 |
Rep.
Ackerman |
MOTION: Moves HB
3211 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
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263 |
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VOTE:
6-1 AYE: 6 - Ackerman, Doyle, Greenlick, Richardson,
Zauner, Garrard NAY: 1 - Rosenbaum |
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274 |
Chair Garrard |
The motion CARRIES. Rep. Westlund will lead discussion on
the floor. |
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282 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the work session on HB 3211 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3061. |
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HB 3061
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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285 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3061 and opens a
public hearing on HB 2898. |
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HB 2898
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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288 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2898 and opens a
public hearing on HB 2899. |
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HB 2899
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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291 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2899 and opens a public
hearing on HB 2945. |
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HB 2945
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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294 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2945 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3245. |
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HB 3245
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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297 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3245 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3408 |
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HB 3408
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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300 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3408 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3017. |
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HB 3017
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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303 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3017 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3144. |
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HB 3144
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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306 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3144 and opens a
public hearing on HB 2617. |
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HB 2617
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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309 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2617 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3315. |
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HB 3315
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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312 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3315 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3137. |
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HB 3137
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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315 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3137 and opens a
public hearing on HB 2909. |
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HB 2909
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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318 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2909 and opens a
public hearing on HB 2910. |
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HB 2910
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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321 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2910 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3404. |
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HB 3404
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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324 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3404 and opens a
public hearing on HB 2790. |
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HB 2790
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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327 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 2790 and opens
a public hearing on HB 3561. |
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HB 3561
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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330 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3561 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3121. |
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HB 3121
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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333 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3121 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3083. |
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HB 3083
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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336 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3083 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3457. |
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HB 3457
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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339 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3457 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3282. |
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HB 3282
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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342 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3282 and opens a
public hearing on HJR 35. |
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HJR 35
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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345 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HJR 35 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3558. |
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HB 3558
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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348 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3558 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3120. |
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HB 3120
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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351 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3120 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3181. |
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HB 3181
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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354 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3181 and opens a
public hearing on HB 3459. |
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HB 3459
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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357 |
Chair Garrard |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3459 and adjourns
the meeting at 11:02 AM. |
EXHIBIT
SUMMARY
A
– HB 3175, -2 amendments, staff, 8 pp.
B
– HB 3175, written testimony, Lauri Aunan, 1 p.
C
– HB 3016, -1 amendments, staff, 2 pp.
D
– HB 3228, written testimony, Art Schlack, 2 pp.
E
– HB 3228, written testimony, Nan Evans, 6 pp.
F
– HB 3228, -1 amendments, Rep. Mitch Greenlick, 1 p.
G
– HB 3228, written testimony, Onno Husing, 10 pp.
H
– HB 3228, written testimony, Michael Collmeyer, 4 pp.
I
– HB 3228, written testimony, Liz Frenkel, 4 pp.
J
– HB 3228, written testimony, Fran Recht, 11 pp.
K
– HB 3228, written testimony, John Rosenberger, 1 p.
L
– HB 3228, written testimony, Linda Ludwig, 2 pp.
M
– HB 3211, written testimony, Linda Ludwig, 4 pp.
N
– HB 3211, written testimony, Jerry Ritter, 2 pp.
O
– HB 3211, written testimony, Jim Seaberry, 1 p.
The
following exhibits are listed out of order in the body of the tape log.
P-
HB 3228, written testimony, Michael Carrier, 2 pp.
Q
– HB 3211, written testimony, Merilyn Reeves, 2 pp.