HOUSE COMMITTEE ON

ENVIRONMENT AND LAND USE

 

 

May 06, 2003 Hearing Room E

9:00 AM  Tapes 71 - 72

 

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Bill Garrard, Chair

Rep. Dennis Richardson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Cliff Zauner, Vice-Chair

Rep. Robert Ackerman

Rep. Dan Doyle

Rep. Mitch Greenlick

Rep. Diane Rosenbaum

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Ray Kelly, Committee Administrator

David Peffley, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     HB 2791 – Work Session

                                                SB 516 A – Work Session           

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 71, A

003

Chair Garrard

Calls the meeting to order at 9:06 and opens a work session on           HB 2791.

HB 2791  - WORK SESSION

015

Ray Kelly

Committee Administrator.  Summarizes HB 2791.

028

John Lindsay

Linn County Commissioner.  Submits (EXHIBIT A) and     (EXHIBIT B) and speaks in favor of HB 2791. 

044

Rep. Betsy Close

HD 15.  Submits (EXHIBIT C) and offers support for HB 2791.

050

Lindsay

Refers to the trend of parks’ responsibility shifting to cities and counties.  Asserts that as more people visit these parks, more funding is required.

086

Brian Carroll

Linn County Parks and Recreation Director.  Speaks to the need for county parks to receive the increased share of increased camping fees.

125

Rep. Greenlick

Asks about unfunded mandates in relation to this bill.

130

Lindsay

States that the people need more facilities and that HB 2791 is needed to provide those fees. Speaks to equitability. 

174

Rep. Greenlick

Asks if equitability refers to number of campsites or the number of people.

180

Lindsay

Admits that is based on number of campsites.

190

Carroll

Claims that usage of county parks has increased dramatically.

212

Lindsay

Restates that people are now camping on roads due to lack of facilities.

222

Chair Garrard

References (EXHIBIT D), submitted by Michael Carrier from Oregon Parks and Recreation Department (OPRD) and mentions the percentage of people in counties and the percentage of campers which comes from that population.

228

Lindsay

Questions the number of day users as opposed to that of campers and believes that OPRD’s numbers don’t count day users.

236

Chair Garrard

Observes that Jackson County will benefit best from this legislation.

248

Lindsay

Mentions the shortage of parks and migratory trends relating to the decrease in recreational facilities. Notes that county facilities are important to address this migration.

281

Chair Garrard

Asks if the monies are dedicated.

284

Carroll

States that different counties dedicate funds differently, but is confident that they are dedicated in this case. 

301

Rep. Close

Corrects a figure in her written testimony.

310

Michael Carrier

OPRD.  Speaks to the negative revenue impact on Oregon Parks and Recreation.  Notes that their figures do not include day users either, thus asserts that the quoted statistic is accurate.

381

Rep. Rosenbaum

Asks about the possibility of increased fees.

387

Carrier

Notes that a governor’s proposal could increase revenue, but adds that he has not seen the plan.

410

Randy Hutton

Parks Program Manager, Jackson County.  Speaks to the financial impact of this bill not passing and the impact on Jackson County Parks. States that they wouldn’t be asking for this bill if it would have an adverse effect on Oregon Parks. 

TAPE 72, A

015

Hutton

Concludes his testimony.

021

Rep. Greenlick

Asks about the revenue impact on State Parks.

023

Hutton

Explains how he arrived at the figure.

025

Chair Garrard

Asks how the figure of 10% was arrived at.

027

Hutton

States that it was based on the number of campsites provided.

035

Rep. Rosenbaum

References a chart in (EXHIBIT A) and asks about the appropriation of funds.

038

Hutton

Speaks to the funding of campsites.

042

Rep. Rosenbaum

Notes that the figure keeps rising and asks about the effect of the continuation of this trend.

045

Hutton

Replies that they would likely increase by the same percentage.

048

Rep. Rosenbaum

Questions what the funds are needed for.

049

Hutton

Speaks to campsites falling into disrepair.

053

Chris Weyand

Addresses the need for revenue to keep services adequate. 

073

Rep. Greenlick

Notes the financial impact of HB 2791, but that 60% of the revenue would go to counties with no campsites.

086

Weyand

Park Supervisor, Washington County.  Addresses day users of county parks.

097

Rep. Greenlick

Corrects his figures for the record.

100

Larry Robinson

Coos County.  Discusses the dearth of staffing at county parks vis-à-vis state parks. Addresses the need for grants in order to achieve self-sufficiency.

148

Mike McClaes

Park Supervisor, Clackamas County.  Addresses the issue of fees dedicated to parks without camp sites as well as the need for funds.

204

Chair Garrard

Asks if the funds are dedicated.

206

McClaes

Responds that they are.

208

Rep. Ackerman

MOTION:  Moves HB 2791 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation and BE REFERRED to the committee on Ways and Means.

210

Rep. Rosenbaum

States concern for the effect on the state park system.  Informs the committee that she will vote nay.

224

Chair Garrard

Acknowledges that this bill is a difficult decision.

229

Rep. Greenlick

VOTE:  4-2

AYE:               4 - Ackerman, Richardson, Zauner, Garrard

NAY:               2 - Greenlick, Rosenbaum

EXCUSED:     1 - Doyle

230

Chair Garrard

The motion CARRIES.

236

Chair Garrard

Closes the work session on HB 2791 and opens a work session on           SB 516 A.

SB 516 A– WORK SESSION

292

Chair Garrard

Announces the A4 amendments to SB 516 A (EXHIBIT E). 

300

Harlan Levy

Oregon Realtors Association (OAR).  Explains the effects of the            -A4 amendments and states that they address the previous concerns. 

307

Ross Day

States support for the A4 amendments.

311

Rep. Rosenbaum

Asks about the bullets in the amendments.

326

Randy Tucker

States that they do not support the A4 amendments.  However they have drafted A5 amendments (EXHIBIT F) in order to clarify the language in order to address Rep. Richardson’s concerns.

361

Chair Garrard

Cites the committee rule that amendments must go through legislative council forty-eight hours before a hearing.

364

Rep. Richardson

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 516A-4 amendments dated 5/1/03.

367

 

VOTE:  6-1

AYE:               6 - Ackerman, Doyle, Greenlick, Richardson, Zauner, Garrard

NAY:               1 - Rosenbaum

369

Chair Garrard

The motion CARRIES.

378

Rep. Richardson

MOTION:  Moves SB 516A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

387

 

VOTE:  6-1

AYE:               6 - Ackerman, Doyle, Greenlick, Richardson, Zauner, Garrard

NAY:               1 - Rosenbaum

391

Chair Garrard

The motion CARRIES.

REP. RICHARDSON will lead the discussion on the floor.

407

Chair Garrard

Closes the public hearing on SB 516 A and adjourns the meeting at 10:04 A.M.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2791, written testimony, John Lindsay, 8 pp.

B – HB 2791, written information, John Lindsay, 1 p.

C – HB 2791, written testimony, Rep. Betsy Close, 1 p.

D – HB 2791, written testimony, Michael Carrier, 2 pp.

E – SB 516 A, -4 amendments, staff, 2 pp.

F – SB 516 A, -5 amendments, Randy Tucker, 3 pp.