HOUSE COMMITTEE ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT

 

 

February 25, 2003   Hearing Room D

8:30 AM Tapes  22 - 23

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Jerry Krummel, Chair

Rep. Donna Nelson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Floyd Prozanski, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. John Mabrey

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:             Rep. Derrick Kitts

Rep. Kelley Wirth

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Patrick Brennan, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     Work Session - Introduction of Committee Measures

                                                HB 2482 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2530 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2531 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2636 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 22, A

002

Chair Krummel

Calls meeting to order at 8:39 AM. Opens work session on committee measures. Explains the draft.

WORK SESSION ON COMMITTEE MEASURES

019

Rep. Prozanski

Comments on the draft.

029

Chair Krummel

Responds concerning the size of the bill and the purpose of the draft (EXHIBIT A).  

031

Chair Krummel

MOTION:  Moves LC 1345 BE INTRODUCED as a committee bill.

032

 

VOTE:  5-0

EXCUSED:  2 - Kitts, Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

033

Chair Krummel

Opens public hearing on HB 2484.

HB 2482 PUBLIC HEARING

049

Rep. Donna  Nelson

House District 24. Testifies in favor of HB 2482 (EXHIBIT B). Explains the bill with regard to zero-based budget. Comments on a previous bill concerning the issue.

105

Chair Krummel

Refers to the wording of the bill concerning current-service level budgeting.

117

Rep. Nelson

Replies with the intention of the bill. States that the bill needs to be amended. Mentions the different forms of budgeting states use.

190

Chair Krummel

Close public hearing on HB 2482. Opens public hearing on HB 2530.

HB 2530 PUBLIC HEARING

195

Rep. Donna  Nelson

House District 24. Testifies in favor of HB 2530 (EXHIBIT C).

246

Chair Krummel

Outlines the current budgeting process. Asks what operational effects the bill would have on the legislative calendar.

273

Rep. Nelson

Responds regarding audits. Explains different ways of evaluating budgets.

351

Chair Krummel

Points out the openness of all committee meetings to the public.

353

Rep. Nelson

Clarifies.

373

Chair Krummel

Comments on annual budgeting. Asks if a yearly session is something Rep. Nelson sees as feasible.

380

Rep. Nelson

States she would not advocate a yearly session presently.

384

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HB 2530. Opens public hearing on HB 2531.

HB 2531 PUBLIC HEARING

TAPE 23, A

003

Rep. Donna  Nelson

House District 24. Testifies in favor of HB 2531 (EXHIBIT D).

044

Chair Krummel

Points out the in the bill there is no definition of ‘overhead’.

050

Rep. Nelson

Responds that the legislature should define the ‘overhead’ of agencies. Provides examples of agency spending.

100

Chair Krummel

Provides example of the Department of Environmental Quality (DEQ) tests of cars in metro area.  Inquire how oversight is determined.

116

Rep. Nelson

Affirms.

119

Chair Krummel

Changes example to explain oversight.

122

Rep. Nelson

Explains that it is considered what is essential for operation. Offers mandates as an example.

160

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HB 2530. Opens public hearing on HB 2636.

HB 2636 PUBLIC HEARING

173

Patrick Brennan

Committee Administrator. Reads Staff Measure Summary. Notes the subsequent referrals to Ways and Means.

185

Mary Botkin

Association of Federal, State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME). Recommends that the language of HB 2636 be changed so that remaining funds remain in the agency.

200

Rep. Prozanski

Asks if there is a program in place where employees can receive reward for ideas that save money.

204

Rich Peppers

State Employees International Union (SEIU). Explains the program Rep. Prozanski is referring to. Provides his view of agency spending practices. Acknowledges the rush to spend down budgets at the end of the biennium.

246

Botkin

Explains how AFSCME worked with legislators on budget matters using the Department of Corrections (DOC) as an example.

282

Rep. Avakian

Refers to the bill and poses question.

289

Peppers

States the belief that Ways and Means is working on the issues. Agrees there should be an incentive to control spending.

299

Rep. Avakian

Asks if the reward really exists without a provision in the bill.

301

Peppers

Notes it may not exist without a provision.

308

Botkin

Explains that employees have no real input at the agency level as to budget control.

343

Peppers

Adds that there is an incentive system already in place although it does not allow for allocation of savings fund.

357

Botkin

Comments.

370

Rep. Kropf

House District 17. Explains his reasons for creating the bill.

TAPE 22, B

003

Rep. Kropf

Continues. Agrees with Ms. Botkin’s comments on spending. Acknowledges that the bill is incomplete. Details the intent of the bill is to promote efficiency. Explains the division of funds set out by the bill.

060

Chair Krummel

Asks who Rep. Kropf is collaborating with on the amendments.

063

Rep. Kropf

States he would welcome the opportunity to work with the public.

070

Rep. Nelson

Inquires if Rep. Kropf believes performance based initiatives are needed.

074

Rep. Kropf

Affirms.

076

Rep. Nelson

Poses question regarding program funding.

085

Rep. Kropf

Notes the possible abuses of the program. Adds that there should be language to address such issues.

097

Rep. Nelson

Acknowledges the importance of rewarding employees. Mentions there should be consideration as to how rewards are to be determined. Questions the bonus to management provided.

120

Rep. Kropf

Responds regarding management issues and the implementation of the plan.

143

Rep. Nelson

Notes the funds found in various agencies during special session. Voices concern that monies are needed in other areas.

158

Rep. Kropf

Acknowledges certain financial circumstances would necessitate government guidance. Encourages the input of fellow legislators.

188

Chair Krummel

Asks if the bill would violate the current contract between bargaining units.

194

Peppers

Responds he believes the bill does not currently have a conflict. Submits the agencies are open to the ideas set out by the bill. Provides examples of area the legislature should govern concerning savings.  

241

Botkin

Suggests that a provision could be developed regarding agency employees involvement in funding.

291

Rep. Nelson

Wonders how the bill would affect Public Employee Retirement System (PERS).

297

Peppers

States that he is open to working with the committee on the bill.

311

Chair Krummel

Invites Ms. Botkin and Mr. Peppers to work with the sponsor on the bill. Speaks to the principle of the bill. Closes public hearing on HB 2636. Adjourns meeting at 9:57 AM.

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – LC Draft 1345, Staff, 428 pp

B – HB 2482, prepared testimony, Rep. Donna Nelson, 5 pp

C – HB 2530, prepared testimony, Rep. Donna Nelson, 1 p

D – HB 2531, prepared testimony, Rep. Donna Nelson, 1 p