HOUSE COMMITTEE ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT

 

 

March 4, 2003 Hearing Room D

8:30 AM  Tapes 26 - 28

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Jerry Krummel, Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Derrick Kitts

Rep. John Mabrey

Rep. Kelley Wirth

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:             Rep. Donna Nelson, Vice-Chair

                                                Rep. Floyd Prozanski, Vice-Chair

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Patrick Brennan, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            HB 2667 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2676 – Public Hearing

                                               

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 26, A

004

Chair Krummel

Calls meeting to order at 8:38 AM. Opens public hearing on HB 2667.

HB 2667 PUBLIC HEARING

010

Sen. Charlie Ringo

Senate District 17. Testifies in favor of HB 2667 (EXHIBIT A). Expresses frustration with the issue. Shows the efforts made to resolve the issue (EXHIBIT B). Disagrees with the viewpoint that a workgroup should be made.

090

Rep. Kitts

Refers to EXHIBIT A and asks about the dates of correspondence.

099

Sen. Ringo

Comments.

102

Rep. Kitts

Clarifies it has been two years since correspondence began.

107

Sen. Ringo

Affirms.

109

Chair Krummel

Asks if Washington County licenses taxis.

112

Sen. Ringo

Responds he believes they do, but that it is not strictly enforced.

130

Stella Kasyan

Testifies for her father, Aleksey Kasyan in favor of HB 2667 (EXHIBIT C).

151

Rep. Nelson

Commends Ms. Kasyan on the testimony. Asks if there is a difference in fares that is charged by the Portland and Beaverton taxis.

160

Aleksey Kasyan

Answers $1.80 per mile in Portland and $1.50 per mile in Beaverton.

163

Rep. Kitts

Poses situation concerning the pickup of customers.

168

Alexey Kasyan

Negates and explains there would be a fine in that situation.

170

Rep. Kitts

Clarifies.

172

Chair Krummel

Asks if he think the market will be saturated if Washington County is included.

175

A. Kasyan

Responds that it will be better for customers.

190

Sukhninder Mann

Yellow Cab, Washington County. Explains his situation. Testifies in favor HB 2667. Lists merits of inclusion of Washington County cabs. Informs the committee of the issues facing taxi drivers. Informs the committee that taxi companies do not have insurance.   

290

Raye Miles

Broadway Cab. Supports the regulation of taxicabs by metro although she does not support HB 2667 as she believes it is a simplistic approach. Believes wording in the ill should be changed.

340

Rep. Avakian

Asks if Metro could ensure that various types of transportation were provided for even if the bill were passed today.

342

Miles

Responds that she is unsure of the process.

344

Rep. Avakian

Comments on Metro involvement and control.

346

Miles

Affirms. Voices concern that the bill will accomplish the objectives it sets out to.

368

Rep. Nelson

Asks if it would be possible to ask Sen. Ringo to speak to Ms. Miles’s statement.

383

Chair Krummel

Informs her that legal opinions should be provided by Legislative Counsel (LC).

390

Rep. Nelson

Assumes an unlawful bill would not be created by Legislative Counsel.

392

Chair Krummel

Concurs.

TAPE 27, A

003

Mike Pierce

Pacific Trails Cab Company. Testifies in favor of HB 2667. Lists rule already standing regarding the issue.

008

Chair Krummel

Clarifies.

010

Pierce

Suggests a change to the bill regarding federal jurisdiction.

033

Chair Krummel

Poses situation regarding pickup at Portland Airport (PDX).

036

Pierce

Responds yes.

039

Rep. Kitts

Asks about current regulations for local taxi companies.

044

Pierce

Explains that Portland has put laws into place.

050

Rep. Kitts

Asks if regulations are uniform only to Portland.

052

Pierce

Responds that there are taxi companies in other parts of the state that have no regulation.

057

Rep. Nelson

Asks why he chose to be a federal carrier.

060

Pierce

Explains his business involves many types of transportation carriers.

063

Rep. Nelson

Poses questions regarding fees of licensing.

066

Pierce

Lists the costs of licensing.

067

Rep. Nelson

Requests the costs of license in state of Oregon

068

Miles

Answers that Portland charges around $100 per year.

070

Rep. Mabrey

Clarifies that Ms. Miles’s concerns fall in the realm of metro and Portland regulation conflicting.

075

Miles

Responds that is part of her concern.

082

Cheryl Noonan

Green Cab. Explains the current situation of taxi cabs. Testifies in opposition of HB 2667. Concurs with earlier comments made by Ms. Miles.

123

Rep. Kitts

Clarifies that there are requirements for maintenance, safety, etc.

127

Noonan

Explains there are general safety requirements in Portland. Informs the committee of review boards. Responds to various questions posed by the committee. Speaks to the recent death of a cab driver.

188

Rep. Mabrey

Clarifies she is licensed in Beaverton.

194

Noonan

Affirms.

199

Rep. Mabrey

Asks why an outside city would not be approved in Portland.

206

Noonan

Explains.

209

Rep. Mabrey

Poses situations of taxicab jurisdiction.

220

Noonan

Clarifies.

222

Rep. Mabrey

Continues explanation of the situation.

235

Noonan

Comments.

245

Rep. Kitts

Describes his own business situation to clarify regulations. Explains his difficulty with opposition to competition in the workplace. Poses question regarding city involvement.

291

Noonan

Responds that different businesses perform different functions affecting the city’s involvement.

311

Rep. Kitts

Disagrees with Ms. Noonan’s comment on mandates made by cities.

319

Noonan

Comments further.

326

Rep. Nelson

Requests the number of applications approved for the Beaverton drivers.

331

Noonan

States she is unsure. Explains the city would probably have the answer.

336

Chair Krummel

Asks if there is a central dispatch for hired transportation.

342

Noonan

Answers that each company has its own.

349

Chair Krummel

Poses question regarding application process for driving.

363

Noonan

Responds.

369

Marge Kafoury

City of Portland. Testifies on HB 2667.

TAPE 26, B

003

Kafoury

Explains security issues with the City of Portland and the Port of Portland. Discusses safety issues of taxicabs. Expresses distress in Sen. Ringo’s opposition to a workgroup.

059

Rep. Avakian

Requests her estimate of the time a workgroup would require.

067

Kafoury

Responds concerning discussions on the issue.

074

Rep. Avakian

Clarifies the City of Portland is ready to move on the issue.

077

Kafoury

Responds the city is ready to work with Metro on the issue.

080

Rep. Avakian

Asks about the jurisdiction of taxicabs if the bill is passed.

083

Kafoury

Explains the city does not believe it would continue to regulate taxicabs.

088

Rep. Mabrey

Asks if a workgroup could be included in the time of the bill’s passage.

095

Rep. Nelson

States time is more of an issue for Metro. Provides her view that questions should be answered before a bill is passed.

106

Rep. Kitts

States his concern for the transition of City of Portland and metro regulation and fees of the bill.

115

Kafoury

Explains the regulation of the businesses and related fees.

119

Rep. Kitts

Asks question concerning business licensing.

126

Kafoury

Responds regarding city licenses.

129

Rep. Nelson

Asks how many applications for other taxi drivers have been approved since 1998

140

Kafoury

States sixty-five applications.

141

Chair Krummel

Clarifies that is the number of businesses approved.

142

Kafoury

Answers that is the number of individual cabs.

144

Rep. Nelson

Asks about quality and safety standards differ between Beaverton and Portland cabs.

148

Kafoury

Responds regarding safety standards.

160

Doug Riggs

Metro. Testifies on HB 2667 (EXHIBIT D). Explains Metro has no objection to the bill as long as certain questions are answered. Gives the examples of venues Metro has overtaken and improved. Notes changes to Metro. Discusses the questions Metro has on the matter. Provides a proposal for a workgroup on the measure.

258

Rep. Kitts

Explains his earlier comments did not intend to question the competency in Metro.

265

Riggs

Acknowledges the statement.

275

Rep. Kitts

Inquires about a meetings held with Sen. Ringo.

285

Riggs

Answers he was present at one of the meetings. Points out the change in structure of the council during the past few years.

295

Rep. Kitts

Points out that it was not until legislation was brought forth on the matter that progress began. States he supports the chair’s decision on the issue. Suggests that a workgroup not last more than 30 days.

306

Riggs

Responds that the issue has been discussed at length.

325

Kafoury

Adds that the City of Portland has been dealing with many issues related to this and that they do take time.

340

Chair Krummel

Poses a situation concerning licensing.

348

Riggs

Explains that he will get back on that issue.

355

Chair Krummel

Asks him to include information on other related issues to ensure there is not another layer of bureaucracy.

376

Rep. Nelson

Comments that the matter is unbelievable. Believes the bill should be passed and asserts the parties can get together later to come up with answers.

TAPE 27, B

004

Rep. Mabrey

Remarks the other transportation issues should also be discussed. Wonders about an amendment to the bill

013

Rep. Kitts

Poses situation regarding attorneys jurisdiction

020

Riggs

Explains his anticipations for the work on the measure. Believes this is a long term issue. Offers they will return with feedback on the issues.

036

Keith Leavitt

Port of Portland. Explains that taxi issues are very complex. Concurs with the testimony of the City of Portland and Metro in returning with feedback.

054

Chair Krummel

Appoints a workgroup on the issue. Wishes for the City of Portland and Metro to meet in two weeks to discuss the issue. Explains there may be a fiscal impact. Adds there is no emergency clause on the bill. Closes public hearing on HB 2667. Opens public hearing on HB 2676.

HB 2676 PUBLIC HEARING

TAPE 27, B

090

Rep. Lane Shetterly

House District 23. Testifies in favor of HB 2676. Explains the impact of the measure on boundaries. Adds he knows of no opposition to the bill.

132

Rep. Donna Nelson

House District 24. Testifies in favor of HB 2676. Refers the testimony of Leslie Lewis (EXHIBIT E) and other citizens of Yamhill County.

165

Rep. Mabrey

Comments.

170

Dan Linscheid

Surveyor, Yamhill County. Testifies in favor of HB 2676. Refers committee to the map of county lines (EXHIBIT F).

204

Dean Anderson

Information Technology (IT) Director, Polk County. Testifies in favor of HB 2676 (EXHIBIT G).

226

Chair Krummel

Comments.

230

Anderson

Continues testimony concerning monuments.

239

Eric Berry

Acting County Surveyor, Polk County. Testifies in favor of HB 2676.

246

Rep. Nelson

Voices concern as to retroactive taxes for citizens in the counties.

253

Anderson

Responds that the changes will not impact taxes.

264

Linscheid

Remarks on the bill wording on line 14 and the term “brass caps”.

274

Chair Krummel

Asks if it makes a difference overall.

278

Linscheid

Explains that the term is used throughout the document.

280

Chair Krummel

Clarifies.

285

Linscheid

Offers he would like to see the terms changed.

290

Patrick Brennan

Committee Administrator. Speaks to another potential problem

297

Linscheid

Affirms the term should be “brass cap”.

301

Brennan

Poses question regarding the use of iron and brass caps.

304

Linscheid

Responds that different counties have used different materials.

309

Rep. Nelson

Points out another problem.

315

Linscheid

Responds that he had reviewed the LC Draft, and that it had no errors.

324

Rep. Nelson

Offers support for another bill.

328

Chair Krummel

Comments.

333

Brennan

Explains that bill may not qualify as a document needing an amendment.

341

Rep. Kitts

Suggests that the bill be made uniform and return next meeting.

345

Chair Krummel

Comments.

348

Berry

Explains that the material of the monument is not a large issue.

357

Chair Krummel

Clarifies the different materials used.

362

Linscheid

Responds.

364

Anderson

Explains the purpose behind the differentiation.

372

Chair Krummel

Informs them that they will have a work session on a different day if there are problems.

TAPE 29, A

002

Linscheid

Concurs.

003

Chair Krummel

Asks them to overview the bill for amendments.

008

Rep. Nelson

Asks if the property owners have been notified.

013

Anderson

Answers they know who the property owners are and it does not affect them.

017

Rep. Nelson

Ensures property owners are not affected.

020

Anderson

Answers they are not.

022

Rep. Nelson

Poses question about deeds.

024

Linscheid

Responds that the property and the monuments are arguable subjects.

033

Chair Krummel

Explains there will not be a taking and that issues of precedence are meant for a different bill.

043

Rep. Nelson

Comments.

045

Anderson

Explains the intention has not to been to affect anyone.

048

Chair Krummel

Closes the public hearing on HB 2676. Adjourns the meeting at 10:29 AM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2667, Sen. Charlie Ringo, 6 p

B – HB 2667, Sen. Charlie Ringo, 11 p

C – HB 2667, Aleksey Kasyan, 1 p

D – HB 2667, Doug Gibbs, 2 p

E – HB 2676, Leslie Lewis, 1 p

F – HB 2676, Dan Linscheid, 3 p

G – HB 2676, Dean Anderson, 1 p