HOUSE COMMITTEE ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT

 

 

March 18, 2003   Hearing Room D

8:30 AM  Tapes 34 - 36

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Jerry Krummel, Chair

Rep. Donna Nelson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Floyd Prozanski, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Derrick Kitts

Rep. John Mabrey

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:             Rep. Kelley Wirth

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Patrick Brennan, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            HB 2676 – Work Session

                                                Informational Meeting - METRO

                                                HB 2913 – Public Hearing

                                               

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 34, A

004

Chair Krummel

Call meeting to order at 8:36 AM. Opens work session on HB 2676.

HB 2676 WORK SESSION

008

Patrick Brennan

Committee Administrator. Explains the progression of the bill through the -2 amendments (EXHIBIT A).  

023

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2676-2 amendments dated 03/14/03.

025

 

VOTE:  5-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Kitts, Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

029

Rep. Nelson

Speaks on behalf of Rep. Shetterly in thanking the administrator and the county.

033

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves HB 2676 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

036

 

VOTE:  5-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Kitts, Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

REP. NELSON will lead discussion on the floor.

043

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 2676. Opens an informational meeting on METRO.

INFORMATIONAL MEETING

050

Doug Riggs

PAC WEST. Explains the situation of the Oregon Zoo parking situation (EXHIBIT B) with regard to park and ride and visitors.

170

Rep. Nelson

Asks if METRO is considering a bill concerning the issue.

172

Riggs

Explains he does not feel a bill is necessary.

176

Chair Krummel

Requests the cost of transportation passes.

180

Riggs

Responds with cost of the passes.

195

Chair Krummel

Asks how the process on the issue of the taxicab situation is going.

205

Riggs

Explains the proposed amendment to the taxi regulatory system (EXHIBIT C).

229

Chair Krummel

Inquires if Mr. Riggs has spoken with Senator Ringo.

230

Riggs

Responds that he has not yet done so.

232

Chair Krummel

Closes informational meeting. Opens public hearing on HB 2913.

HB 2913 PUBLIC HEARING

239

Rep. Max Williams

House District 35. Testifies in favor of HB 2913. Provides history of the legislation on the matter of public safety and 9-1-1 services. Speaks to the related taxation.

303

Rep. Mabrey

Asks if it is statutory for each county to provide 24 hour services.

310

Rep. Williams

Responds that may be required. Explains that counties have created cooperative call centers.

323

Rep. Mabrey

Asks if a telephone line would need to be dedicated.

329

Rep. Williams

Responds that it may be true although he is not sure.

333

Rep. Mabrey

Requests the situation in Wheeler County.

337

Rep. Williams

Explains he could not inform him of Wheeler county.

343

Rep. Nelson

Asks if the issue is that counties are not receiving enough money.

359

Rep. Williams

Responds that the issue is of equal distribution.

370

Chair Krummel

Clarifies that some counties were receiving more money than they should.

376

Rep. Williams

Replies that is his understanding.

380

Chair Krummel

Inquires if HB 2913 would take care of the overage.

384

Rep. Williams

Responds it is an equalization approach.

TAPE 35, A

003

Rep. Williams

Continues answer. Explains the intent of the bill.

015

Chair Krummel

Comments.

023

Sam Hamilton

Executive Director, Klamath County Emergency Communications District. Speaks in favor of HB 2913 (EXHIBIT D). Explains the telephone tax monies distribution. Refers the committee to the provided documents to explain county and city receipt of funds.  

123

Rep. Nelson

Refers to page seven of EXHIBIT D to request clarification of a figure.

133

Hamilton

Explains the amount is per capita distribution for Wheeler County and explains how the amounts are found. Refer committee to the spreadsheets and explains their use. Notes the amount of money going to counties is different. Believes HB 2913 corrects the inequities that exist throughout.

231

Rep. Avakian

Inquires about the inclusion of different counties in the documents.

241

Hamilton

Explains that is not the case in the listed counties.

244

Rep. Avakian

Asks what amount the counties would receive.

250

Hamilton

Answers the counties would receive the residual per capita amounts similar to those that go to the cities.

255

Rep. Avakian

Inquires if Mr. Hamilton believes the amount will fit the needs of the counties.

259

Hamilton

Explains that the bill is a starting point. Believes the current distribution is nebulous. Refers committee to the last page of EXHIBIT D. Believes the unincorporated population in the formula is a problem. Believes state tax money should be equally distributed across the state.

369

Dave Austin

Director, Washing ton County Consolidated Communications Agency. Testifies in favor of HB 2913 (EXHIBIT E).

TAPE 34, B

003

Austin

Comments on the distribution of the telephone taxes. Believes the bill is fair and equitable.

028

Jeff Johnson

Fire Chief, Tualatin Fire and Rescue. Testifies in favor of HB 2913 as he believes it is a fair and equitable measure. Speaks to public safety consolidation. Comments on the formulas for allocation of the funds. 

078

Rep. Nelson

Refers to page six of Mr. Hamilton’s handout. Inquires as to the reason behind system administration.  

094

Hamilton

Uses Wallowa County to explain minimal operating costs. Reiterates the importance of equal distribution.

115

Rep. Nelson

Refers the committee to page four. Understands that the costs of the system were to be included in the information. Asks about the cost of a unit.

121

Hamilton

Explains it is a portion of the overall tax given to counties.

138

Rep. Nelson

Clarifies there is nothing in the administrative rules about the number of individuals required.

145

Hamilton

Responds listing staffing requirements.

150

Rep. Nelson

Comments.

157

Chair Krummel

Asks how the changes occurred to the formula without legislation.

161

Hamilton

Explains he attempt to acquire that information.

167

Paul Snyder

Association of Oregon Counties (AOC). Provides example to illustrate the taxation system, population, and actual costs. Testifies against HB 2913. Explains reasoning for AOC objection to the bill listing costs for providing service and minimum amount of money required. Believes a population based formula does not account for the minimums.  

245

Jean Cowan

Lincoln County Commissioner, AOC. Testifies in opposition of HB 2913. Recognizes the need for review of the formulas. Notes the desire of the Associated Public Safety Communications Officials - National Emergency Number Association (APCO-NENA) to conduct a review.

 

Lynne Iverson

Director, Lincoln County Communications Agency. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT F).

333

Sally Jones

Columbia 9-1-1 Communications District. Provides history. Testifies in opposition of HB 2913 (EXHIBIT G). Supports APCO-NENA review of the program.

TAPE 35, B

005

Jones

Discusses the formula for funds. Emphasizes the Sherman-Wheeler County issue is atypical. Discusses the unintended impacts of the formula. Believes a ‘red-line’ concept should be included in the bill. Refers committee to spreadsheet provided in EXHIBIT G. Notes the counties receiving the largest amount of funds are the largest counties.

122

Chair Krummel

Requests how past changes to the formula occurred without legislation.

125

Jones

Explains she believes there may have been legislation.

133

Chair Krummel

Asks why smaller counties looked to create their own centers.

145

Cowan

Responds that those counties desire to have a public safety answering point (PSAP).

162

Hasina Squires

Oregon chapters of APCO-NENA. Testifies in opposition to HB 2913 (EXHIBIT H). Explains a more appropriate approach to accounting for costs of services. Discusses the need for a red-line clause. Notes that no association supports HB 2913, only individual agencies. Directs attention to the bill’s language concerning counties that currently contain a PSAP. Responds to Rep. Mabrey’s earlier question on Wheeler County. Speaks to legislation on HB 3977 from last session. Informs the committee of the redirection of PSAP consolidation incentive and 9-1-1 funds. 

318

Lynne Reeve

APCO-NENA. Testifies in opposition to HB 2913. Informs the committee of red-line implementation.

349

Mary Botkin

Association of Federal, State, County, and Municipal Employees (AFSCME) Local 75. States she will not be testifying for or against the issue.

TAPE 36, A

005

Botkin

Speaks to professionalizing the 9-1-1 system. Provides her attitude towards the situation.

042

Rep. Nelson

Requests the decisions of the past committee’s decisions on HB 3977 from last session regarding cost analysis.

057

Chair Krummel

Comments the need for a financial analysis.

060

Brennan

Informs the committee that a fiscal statement will be issued and that Legislative Fiscal believes the bill should go to Ways and Means.

067

Rep. Nelson

Requests cost per unit information regarding tourism.

076

Chair Krummel

Appreciates the work of APCO-NENA on cost. Notes the disagreement of counties on the issue. Calls attention to the audit report issued by the Secretary of State’s Audit Division. Notes his disagreement with the past measure during the special session. Believes there is a constitutional problem with the bill. Requests that APCO-NENA ask its members for amendments so that services can provided in a cost effective manner.

137

Rep. Nelson

Requests information on Homeland Security funding.

140

Chair

Concurs.

143

Rep. Mabrey

Comments on the audit report. Suspects that the counties were targeted by the audit, and believes all funds were used appropriately. 

165

Chair Krummel

Concurs. Closes the public hearing on HB 2913. Adjourns the meeting at 10:35 AM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2676, Staff, 6 p

B – Informational, Oregon ZOO, Doug Riggs, 2 p

C – METRO, Doug Riggs, 1 p

D – HB 2913, Sam Hamilton, 20 p

E – HB 2913, Dave Austin, 1 p

F – HB 2913, Lynne Iverson, 2 p

G – HB 2913, Sally Jones, 3 p

H – HB 2913, Hasina Squires, 1 p