HOUSE COMMITTEE ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT

 

 

March 27, 2003   Hearing Room D

8:30 AM Tapes  43 - 45

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Jerry Krummel, Chair

Rep. Donna Nelson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Floyd Prozanski, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Derrick Kitts

Rep. John Mabrey

Rep. Kelley Wirth

           

STAFF PRESENT:                  Patrick Brennan, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     HB 3060 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 3226 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 3124 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 3154 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 3257 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2913 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 43, A

004

Chair Krummel

Calls meeting to order at 8:41 AM. Opens public hearing on HB 3060.

HB 3060 PUBLIC HEARING

017

Patrick Brennan

Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS) on HB 3060.

021

Dave Hunnicutt

Oregonians in Action (OIA). Testifies in favor of HB 3060.

034

Michelle Deister

League of Oregon Cities (LOC). Testifies regarding HB 3060. Notes amendments.

045

Chair Krummel

Requests the parties return when amendments are ready. Closes public hearing on HB 3060. Opens public hearing on HB 3226.

HB 3226 PUBLIC HEARING

050

Rep. Rob Patridge

House District 6. Provides PowerPoint presentation (EXHIBIT A). Testifies in favor of HB 3226. Explains the issues behind Public Safety Answering Points (PSAPs). Speaks on consolidation issues. Discusses his work on public safety issues. Informs the committee of dispatch systems. Provides a history of State Police Dispatch Centers. Speaks on the need to upgrade. Lists the reasons the program would be beneficial to government.

398

Chair Krummel

Requests Rep. Patridge to differentiate physical facilities and ‘buildings and towers’.

410

Rep. Patridge

Explains the terms and the requirements.

TAPE 44, A

003

Chair Krummel

Asks if he suggests that 9-1-1 services are being provided by tax money.

005

Rep. Patridge

Affirms and comments on the costs to the state.

014

Chair Krummel

Clarifies the money paid by the state and local governments.

016

Rep. Patridge

Explains.

018

Chair Krummel

Asks for the statewide cost for 9-1-1 service is.

022

Rep. Patridge

Extrapolates the state picks up 20% of the cost, about $30 million, currently.

029

Rep. Prozanski

Clarifies the legislature would remove funds from other programs.

033

Rep. Patridge

Estimates the money missing.

036

Rep. Prozanski

Speaks to the vision of the program overall.

040

Rep. Patridge

Asserts he never said the actions were correct.

042

Rep. Prozanski

Comments on an aspect missing from the program.

047

Rep. Patridge

Understands the questions on the matter.

054

Rep. Prozanski

Poses question regarding the backup systems and his vision for them.

059

Rep. Patridge

Explains the system would be statewide.

063

Rep. Prozanski

Asks if there will be a loss of time.

 

Rep. Patridge

Responds he does not see a substantial delay.

073

Rep. Prozanski

Asks if it would not be better to facilitate overall communication initially and works in steps.

082

Rep. Patridge

Believes the issue is nothing new. Speaks to the current budget crisis to illustrate the need for the program. Offers he would like to leave some aspects of the program to local governments, but that consolidation is important to the model. States he does not believe the federal government will fund the whole program.

113

Rep. Kitts

Poses question about the cost ratio.

117

Rep. Patridge

Responds that the cost per call is currently inappropriate. Thinks optimization by the legislature would help the burden on citizens. Speaks on Full-time Equivalent (FTE) employees.

140

Rep. Kitts

Asks what the percentage of costs to the state would be.

144

Rep. Patridge

States the state would overtake the program entirely. Comments on radio networks and jurisdiction by district.

160

Rep. Mabrey

Believes the question is not whether citizens in Oregon are well served by 9-1-1. Asks why given the states’s history of funding programs adequately citizens should feel comfortable giving the government the authority to oversee the funds.

180

Rep. Patridge

Disagrees with Rep. Mabrey’s views on government funding of programs. Comments on the need for local and state governments to work together. Believes the state is a more apt purveyor of the network. 

205

Chair Krummel

Speak to section three of the bill.

222

Rep. Patridge

Explains the intent of the section.

224

Chair Krummel

Questions the cost.

226

Rep. Patridge

Notes the cost would be on the government.

236

Chair Krummel

Clarifies.

238

Chair Krummel

Asks why a local government would spend its own money to fund a separate PSAP.

245

Rep. Patridge

They might believe the service would be improved.

250

Chair Krummel

Asks if it is his vision despite the type of phone service.

259

Rep. Patridge

Replies.

266

Chair Krummel

Offers example of air frequencies.

284

Rep. Patridge

Differentiates older and new technology.

300

Rep. Nelson

Comments on the situation in her district. Asks HB 3226 is a mandate.

315

Rep. Patridge

Replies it is not a mandate on local government as the state would pay for the costs.

322

Rep. Nelson

Requests the other options.

327

Rep. Patridge

Explains two service centers would achieve efficiency and cost savings. Voices hope the legislature can spend down in areas such as these.

358

Rep. Nelson

Asks if the PSAP could be by county.

368

Rep. Patridge

Explains he has looked oat situations such as those and that it would not be beneficial.

TAPE 43, B

005

Rep. Jeff Kropf

House District 17. Comments in his own involvement as a firefighter. Testifies against HB 3226 (EXHIBIT B). Reads account of a town hall meeting in Stayton on the negative effects of 9-1-1 consolidation. Voices concern for consolidation as a burden to citizens. Provides accounts of emergency management. Believes the current system is working and efficient at the local level.  Speaks to issues of radio tuning. Comments on a meeting with Tom Ridge of Homeland Security regarding first response to terrorism and needed upgrades in communications. Concludes.

182

Judge Laura Pryor

Gilliam County Judge. Testifies against HB 3226. Calls attention to district size versus population regarding 9-1-1 operations. Provides accounts of an emergency in a rural part of the state. Points out there is no cell phone reception in parts of the counties.   

251

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HB 3226. Opens public hearing on HB 3124, HB 3154, and HB 3257.

HB 3124 PUBLIC HEARING, HB 3154 PUBLIC HEARING, HB 3257 PUBLIC HEARING

260

Rep. Joanne Verger

House District 9. Testifies in favor of HB 3257. (EXHIBIT C).

313

Rep. Greg Smith

House District 57. Testifies in favor HB 3124. Explains the rural implications of 9-1-1 regarding safety and expense. Challenges the committee the issues as one of local control. Provides an account of a family emergency to illustrate the importance of local PSAPs.

TAPE 44, B

005

Rep. Smith

Notes the lawsuits the State could incur when the services are not provided. Provides he introduced HB 3124and requests that formation of a workgroup be considered.

030

Rep. Wirth

Comments.

035

Chair Krummel

Comments.

042

Sen. Tony Corcoran

Senate District 4. Testifies in favor of HB 3154. Shares an anecdote of burglary to illustrate the need for local control of public safety issues.

075

Rep. Jeff Kruse

House District 7. Notes the bipartisan agreement on the measures. Testifies in favor of the bill he has sponsored, HB 3154. States support for the related measure, HB 3124 and HB 3257. Points out the need for local involvement in emergencies. Believes the issue should not be one of money, it should be of public safety. Echoes the concerns of Rep. Smith on central dispatch and the need for redundancy. Urges quick action on HB 3154.  

132

Rep. Prozanski

Requests what vehicle was used to establish sponsorship.

137

Rep. Kruse

Explains sponsorship is not important and that he supports the passage of the bills.

145

Chair Krummel

Notes written testimonials submitted by Chuck Knight, Chief of Police, Coos Bay (EXHIBIT D) and Leroy Cammack, Mayor, City of Ontario (EXHIBIT E).

153

Michelle Deister

LOC. Testifies in favor of HB 3124, 3154, 3257. Adds LOC is opposed to HB 3226 (EXHIBIT F). Points out representatives from all over the state has brought forth concerns on the issue. Asserts consolidation takes place when it makes sense to local communities.

190

Daniel Coulombe

Hermiston, Umatilla County. Testifies in favor of HB 3124. Believes consolidation efforts are unnecessary as the current efforts are successful. Adds consolidation will increase response time and increase risk. Points out the chemical depot existing in Umatilla County to illustrate the potential for tragedy if PSAP was not local.

295

Roger Bennett

City Manager, Florence. Believes the issue of diversity needs to be considered when making decisions. Discusses economic issues. Speaks on PSAPs and 9-1-1 consolidation in Lane County.

320

Cindy Rubert

City of Medford. Testifies in opposition of HB 3226 despite the consolidation of the PSAPs in the county. Points out there are great reasons for consolidation and that it can make sense.

366

Chair Krummel

Points out the decision was made locally and that it was not mandated by the state.

370

Rubert

Affirms.

375

Chair Krummel

Asks if the area between the cities belong to the consolidated area.

380

Rubert

Explains they belong to Source.

TAPE 45, A

002

Chair Krummel

Remarks.

005

Mary Botkin

Association of Federal, State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME), Local 79. Testifies on the bills. Comments on mandatory consolidation. Believes common sense is a great part of the issue. States the organization would be happy to work to bring their people into the process.

023

Gary Williams

Mayor, Cottage Grove. Testifies on the measures. Asserts Cottage Grove does not support consolidation concepts. Presents the resolution passed by his city (EXHIBIT G).

040

Richard Meyers

City Manager, Cottage Grove. States the issue is not one of funds, but of level of service. Presents the situation of the lakes in the area. Notes the resolution.

068

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearings on HB 3124, 3154, and 3257. Opens public hearing on HB 2913.

HB 2913 PUBLIC HEARING

075

Cathy Pollino

Secretary of State Audits Division. Provides audit report on Oregon Emergency Management and area map (EXHIBITS H and I).

085

Phil Hopkins

Secretary of State Audits Division.

117

Rep. Mabrey

Asks about the audit review.

121

Hopkins

Explains the legislature has not required a follow up.

124

Chair Krummel

Notes the committee may have further issues, thanks them for the input.

133

Judge Jeanne Burch

Wheeler County Judge. Voices concerns about HB 2913. Speaks on PSAPs in rural counties. Notes that Sherman and Wheeler counties would receive no funds.

150

Judge Mike McArthur

Sherman County Judge. Opposes 2913, and the redline proposal to shift money among counties. Believes a thorough analysis of the counties should be done.

187

Chair Krummel

Asks if in his estimation the legislature was ahead of itself in the matter.

200

McArthur

Replies that it appears that way.

203

Paul Snyder

Association of Oregon Counties (AOC).

206

Chair Krummel

Asks Ms. Squires to testify and provide an update on the directions he espoused the other day

218

Hasina Squires

Association of Public Safety Communications Officers; National Emergency Number Association (APCO-NENA). Reiterates her understanding of his requests. Believes the issue becomes one of audits. Comments on the issues of ensuing 9-1-1- service throughout the state. Explains APCO-NENA can not report on those issues. Supports work in the interim into the matter. Comments on HB 2913 and the sunset clause.

256

Chair Krummel

Concurs with Judge McArthur. Believes look into state policy and decisions needed.

273

Rep. Mabrey

Thanks Chair Krummel publicly for holding the hearing longer to hear all testimony.

279

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HB 2913. Adjourns meeting at 10:48 AM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 3226, Rep. Rob Patridge, 23 pp

B – HB 3124, Rep. Jeff Kropf, 2 pp

C – HB 3257, Rep. Joanne Verger, 1 p

D – HB 3124, Chuck Knight, 1 p

E – HB 3124, Leroy Cammack, 3 pp

F – HB 3124, 3154, 3257, Michelle Deister, 2 pp

G – HB 3124, Gary Williams, 2 pp

H – HB 3124, Cathy Pollino, 6 pp

I –  HB 3124, Cathy Pollino, 1 p