HOUSE COMMITTEE ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT

 

 

April 8, 2003 Hearing Room D

8:30 AM   Tapes 51 - 54

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Jerry Krummel, Chair

Rep. Donna Nelson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Floyd Prozanski, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Derrick Kitts

Rep. John Mabrey

Rep. Kelley Wirth

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Patrick Brennan, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     HB 2148 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 3224 – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                HB 3573 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2844 – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                HB 3272 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 3114 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 3219 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 3237 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 3268 – Public Hearing

                                                HJM 2 – Public Hearing

                                                HJM 3 – Public Hearing

                                                HJM 4 – Public Hearing

                                                HJM 5 – Public Hearing

                                                HJM 6 – Public Hearing

                                                HJM 7 – Public Hearing

                                                HJM 8 – Public Hearing          

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 51, A

004

Chair Krummel

Calls meeting to order at 8:43 AM. Opens public hearing on HB 2148. Notes -1 amendments (EXHIBIT A).

HB 2148 – PUBLIC HEARING

013

Cindy Becker

Department of Administrative Services (DAS). Speaks on the amendments to HB 2148. Refers committee to page six of the bill. Recommends a line be added that speaks to the legislatively adopted budget. Offers a change on page seven

037

Chair Krummel

Poses question on wording.

040

Becker

Concurs. Offers change to page eight.

044

Chair Krummel

Notes there are some mechanical problems.

047

Becker

Responds they can be changed.

049

Chair Krummel

Refers to page four and offers that a two-year timetable could be added. Explains changes to be made by Legislative Counsel (LC). Points out changes to page eight. Asks if Ms. Becker concurs with the changes.

060

Becker

Offers an additional change.

075

Ken Rocco

Legislative Fiscal Officer. Confirms those are the changes to be made to the bill.

083

Chair Krummel

Asks when the changes will be ready.

087

Rocco

States that although he cannot say for sure, they will be expedited.

091

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HB 2148. Opens public hearing on HB 3224.

HB 3224 – PUBLIC HEARING

095

Patrick Brennan

Committee Administrator. Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS) on HB 3224. Notes -1 amendments (EXHIBIT B).

110

Linda Adlard

City of Beaverton. Testifies in favor of HB 3224 (EXHIBIT C). Comments on issues facing Beaverton. Notes the bill would remove some state burden of commercial and industrial development. Explains the bill. Believes the housing component of the bill is important.

173

Rep. Prozanski

Provides his impression of urban area economic development. Poses related question.

185

Adlard

Responds.

192

Chair Krummel

Speaks on bonds and requests comments.

202

Adlard

Comments on the tools needed for city development regarding agency involvement. 

235

Jack Kenny

Deputy Director, Oregon Housing and Community Services (OHCS). Testifies in opposition to HB 3224 (EXHIBIT D). Explains the reservations OHCS has for the measure. Offers OHCS is willing to work with the City of Beaverton on the issue. Speaks on competition issues concerning bonds.

311

Bob Repine

Director, OHCS. Testifies in opposition to HB 3224. Explains that OHCS is just as mindful of equitable distribution relative to the needs of the community. Comments on the concerns OHCS has into the matter regarding misuse of funds.

372

Chair Krummel

Poses question on city intentions

380

Repine

Responds that he does not believe it is the intent of cities to not use the counsel of OHCS.

404

Chair Krummel

Comments on the small number of cities this would involve. Asks is the issues is really problematic.

412

Repine

Characterizes the issue.

TAPE 52, A

004

Repine

Continues that OHCS is required to ensure access to housing for all Oregon citizens.

016

Kenny

Adds to housing comments.

020

Repine

Comments on the authority cities can utilize to achieve their goals.

025

Chair Krummel

Asks whether Ms. Adlard the City of Beaverton would support the creation of a pilot project.

040

Adlard

Responds that a city will do what is best for its citizens. Notes she has not checked with other cities. Adds this is the correct action for Beaverton.

057

Rep. Nelson

Wonders why the number involved begins with a population of 50,000.

065

Adlard

Speaks on city population. Notes the tool will work for any city. Adds that the housing component is a difficult one to meet for larger cities.

076

Rep. Nelson

Voices concern that more rural counties also have a need for lost cost housing. Speaks on Yamhill County’s need for similar tools.

089

Adlard

Comments on the number chosen. Believes one is not necessary.

099

Repine

Notes the need of a more specialized city staff for work on the issue. Believes the 50,000 population number included in the bill is valid.

113

Rep. Nelson

Clarifies.

115

Repine

Provides an example of bad uses of funding.

123

Kenny

Adds the extent of the staff at OHCS hired to manage property.

134

Repine

Comments on the past 300,000 threshold. Notes the hesitancy that OHCS has with involving more cities.

161

Rep. Kitts

Notes the mayor of Hillsboro supports the bill. Voices apprehension in allowing only Beaverton to do this. Asks if League of Oregon Cities (LOC) supports the bill.

196

Chair Krummel

Responds he is unsure.

200

Adlard

Notes her mayor is the chair of the LOC and supports the measure.

205

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing and opens work session on HB 3224.

HB 3224 – WORK SESSION

206

Repine

Comments.

208

Chair Krummel

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3224-1 amendments dated 3/24/03.

209

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

211

Rep. Prozanski

Informs the committee he will be a ‘no’ vote.

216

Rep. Nelson

Informs she will vote ‘yes’ as courtesy to sponsor. Encourages a further amendment to include more cities.

231

Chair Krummel

Opines that 50,000 is good for now. From there, move more if beneficial. Recognizes some cities enjoy a more sophisticated staff

247

Rep. Nelson

Speaks on projections of the Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT).

257

Chair Krummel

Clarifies.

260

Rep. Nelson

Thinks there should be more of a plan for the future.

261

Chair Krummel

MOTION:  Moves HB 3224 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

263

 

VOTE:  6-1

AYE:               6 - Avakian, Kitts, Mabrey, Nelson, Wirth, Krummel

NAY:               1 - Prozanski

 

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

REP. AVAKIAN will lead discussion on the floor.

265

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 3224. Opens public hearing on HB 3219.

HB 3219 – PUBLIC HEARING

279

Rep. Tim Knopp

House Majority Leader, House District 54.

281

Rep Prozanski

Remarks.

285

Rep. Knopp

Testifies in favor of HB 3219. Explains the importance of the bill to the Oregon National Guard Youth Challenge Program. Notes there is a waiting list for the program and that to delay or leave the program unfunded would potentially dissolve it. Comments on the future of the youth in the program.

345

Rep. Wirth

Requests the number of youth the program would serve

350

Rep. Knopp

Responds there are several hundred youth in the program.

365

Rep. Ben Westlund

House District 53. Testifies in favor of HB 3219. Responds to Rep. Wirth’s question and lists the number of graduates. Explains the future of those involved in the program.

TAPE 51, B

004

Rep. Wirth

Requests the location of the program and where students matriculate from.

007

Rep. Westlund

Answers that around thirty percent are from the Central Oregon area and seventy percent are from around the state. Adds that many participants are from Marion County and the Portland Metro area.

015

Rep. Donna Nelson

House District 24. Testifies in favor of HB 3219.

028

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HB 3219. Opens public hearing on HB 3573.

HB 3573 – PUBLIC HEARING

030

Rep. Jackie Dingfelder

House District 45. Testifies in favor of HB 3573 (EXHIBITS E & F).

068

Rep. Prozanski

Clarifies that EXHIBIT F is a conceptual amendment that will be drafted by LC. Lists issues he wishes to be informed of.

078

Rocky Johnson

Director, Community Action Team. Testifies in favor of HB 3573 (EXHIBITS G & H).

100

Jim Slusher

Executive Director, Mid-Columbia Community Action Agency. Testifies in favor of HB 3573 (EXHIBIT I). Lists the benefits for an Oregon Opportunity Commission to aid poverty in the state. Notes a representative from the Ecumenical Ministry also is support of the bill.

126

Bob Repine

Director, Oregon Housing and Community Services (OHCS). Testifies in favor of HB 3573. Comments on the benefits of collaboration that the commission would allow for.

172

Rep. Prozanski

Asks if the commission plans to hold monthly meetings.

174

Johnson

Responds that thinking was in terms of quarterly.

177

Rep. Prozanski

Inquires about need for subpoena power.

179

Johnson

Adds they have requested that be removed.

181

Rep. Prozanski

Asks about the need for a perpetual commission.

183

Johnson

Notes a time allotment has not been discussed. Adds the parties are willing to consider it.

188

Rep. Prozanski

Asks if ongoing would be favored as opposed to a possible sunset clause.

190

Johnson

Affirms.

191

Rep. Prozanski

Asks what sort of advisory relationship there is with Governor.

192

Johnson

Explains the Governor’s involvement.

198

Rep. Nelson

Comments.

213

Rep. Prozanski

Believes the conceptual amendments need to materialize. Asks the supporters to consider a sunset clause at four to six years. Closes public hearing on HB 3573.

223

Chair Krummel

Opens public hearing on HB 2844.

HB 2844 – PUBLIC HEARING

225

Patrick Brennan

Reads SMS on HB 2844. Notes the -1 amendment (EXHIBIT J).

230

Greg Warnock

Director, Oregon Veterans Association (OVA). Notes Rep. Mabrey’s sponsorship of the bill. Testifies in favor of HB 2844. Notes the request for funds by the bill. Provides statistics on veterans to illustrate the need for assistance upon death.

307

Walter Crews

Non Commissioned Officers Association (NCOA). Testifies in favor of HB 2844 (EXHIBIT K).

319

John Mangis

Director, Oregon Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA). Testifies in favor of HB 2844. Notes the fiscal impact of the measure. Comments on the DVA budget currently. 

355

Wally Ordeman

President, Oregon Funeral Directors Association. Testifies in favor of HB 2844.

365

Rep. Nelson

Apologizes for the lack of funding. Requests what currently happens to veterans in need of burial.

384

Ordeman

Explains the current situation for payment.

399

Rep. Nelson

Wonders how the funeral costs are broken down.

410

Warnock

Responds.

420

Ordeman

Adds the location of the burial and headstone are part of government expense.

TAPE 52, B

005

Chair Krummel

Clarifies charges.

007

Rep. Mabrey

Comments on the research done regarding the cost of funerals. Encourages the committee to move the bill. Suspects that overhead does not have to be an issue. Doubts the services would be utilized extensively.

041

Rep. Wirth

Voices concern that the bill does not determine eligibility of an ‘impoverished’ veteran. Requests how the VA pension guidelines differ.

054

Mangis

Explains eligibility.

093

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing and opens work session on HB 2844.

HB 2844 – WORK SESSION

096

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2844-1 amendments dated 4/7/03.

099

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

103

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves HB 2844 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and BE REFERRED to the committee on Ways and Means by prior reference.

106

 

VOTE:  6-1

AYE:               6 - Avakian, Kitts, Mabrey, Nelson, Prozanski,                   

                              Krummel

NAY:               1 - Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

109

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 2844. Opens public hearing on HB 3272.

HB 3272 – PUBLIC HEARING

111

Patrick Brennan

Reads SMS on HB 3272.

115

Roger Nyquist

Linn County Commissioner. Testifies in favor of HB 3272. Provides the committee with information on the issue of boundary adjustment (EXHIBITS L & M).

160

Roger Latham

Linn County Surveyor. Testifies in favor Reminds the committee it is a political boundary change and will not affect property owners. Comments on hoe different districts view their boundaries. Refers the committee to maps of the Linn-Benton county line (EXHIBITS N & O).

222

Rep. Avakian

Poses question regarding map line boundary representation.

227

Nyquist

Affirms.

228

Latham

Continues.

230

Rep. Kitts

Asks if the line depicting the river is currently correct.

236

Latham

Affirms. Notes a state agency interested in knowing the current boundaries.

245

Rep. Prozanski

Poses question regarding legislative intent.

255

Nyquist

Responds with current opinions.

272

Latham

Comments on past determination of boundaries.

280

Rep. Wirth

Questions the intent of the -4 amendments.

285

Latham

Responds that at one time the measure was a joint venture by county surveyors.

294

Rep. Wirth

Clarifies the surveyors would be given the authority to determine county lines.

315

Latham

Replies on the amendment.

325

Carla Chambers

Stahlbush Island Farms. Testifies in favor of HB 3272. Believes the government becomes inefficient when county boundaries are misinterpreted. Provides examples.

356

Bill Chambers

Stahlbush Island Farms. Testifies in favor of HB 3272. States he does not believe the river will change course again.

TAPE 53, A

011

Rep. Wirth

Questions the road they referred to in testimony.

013

C. Chambers

Responds regarding ownership of the road.

016

Rep. Wirth

Requests other counties’ opinions on the matter.

020

Nyquist

Offers the view of other counties on the issue.

025

Rep. Prozanski

Requests that Mr. Nyquist contact others involved.

033

Latham

Responds he has contacted parties involved within the past week.

038

Rep. Nelson

Question the financial impact on the property owners.

044

B. Chambers

Believes their personal tax burden will increase although he is unsure.

049

Rep. Nelson

Comments on the handling of property tax. Requests information on the matter.

055

Nyquist

Responds with regard to the land and persons affected. 

060

Jay Dixon

Chair, Benton County Board of Commissioners. Testifies in opposition to HB 3272 (EXHIBIT P).

110

Rep. Prozanski

Closes public hearing on HB 3272.

118

Chair Krummel

Opens public hearing on HB 3219. Notes he will hold tap hearings on all other bills.

HB 3219 – PUBLIC HEARING

143

Haili Ford Harris

Former Cadet, Oregon Youth Challenge Program. Testifies in favor of HB 3219. Provides her personal experience with the program. Informs the committee of her future goals.

188

Ashley Rose

Former Cadet, Oregon Youth Challenge Program. Testifies in favor of HB 3219. Provides her educational history. Notes she would not have her high school diploma without the program.

238

Michael Hidde

Beaverton School District. Former Cadet, Oregon Youth Challenge Program. Testifies in favor of HB 3219. Notes how the program changed his attitude, family life, and overall education experience.

266

Chair Krummel

Comments.

269

Rep. Nelson

Asks if the program could be a potential program for all high school dropouts.

290

Rose

Affirms.

293

Rep. Wirth

Requests what high schools the cadets attended and if dropout prevention programs existed at their schools.

297

Hidde

Answers Aloha High School. Notes his involvement in such a program.

300

Rose

Answers Sprague High School. Recounts her attempts to receive assistance.

303

Harris

Answers North Valley High School. Responds she was not approached and did not know of any programs.

305

Rep. Kitts

Comments.

309

Chair Krummel

Comments.

323

Ed Dueñez

Counselor, Aloha High School. Testifies in favor of HB 3219. Comments on the number of high school students he has sent to the program. Provides personal experience. Urges the committee to keep the program in Oregon.

405

Charmagne Polizzi

Testifies in favor of HB 3219.

TAPE 54, A

005

Dennis Luke

Deschutes County Commissioner. (EXHIBIT Q).

017

Andy Andrews

Youth Advisory Board. Testifies in favor of HB 3219. Lists the benefits of the program. Notes the program is considered the best in the United States. Points out the funding needed to incarcerate youth versus the 

045

Tom Clifford

Member, Youth Advisory Board. Testifies in favor of HB 3219.

062

Rep. Nelson

Asks if the Oregon Youth Challenge Program could collaborate with the Oregon Department of Education (ODE).

073

Luke

Comments that funding the program is a problem as schools also need money.

085

Andrews

States the bottom line is the students are graduating because of the program.

097

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HB 3219. Opens public hearing on HB 3114.

HB 3114 – PUBLIC HEARING

108

Rep. Betsy Close

House District 15. Testifies in favor of HB 3114. Informs the committee of past youth group decisions regarding information. Notes that a -1 amendment is forthcoming.

149

Dr. Fred Decker

Oregon State University Emeritus Faculty. Testifies in favor of HB 3114 (EXHIBIT R). Believes the bill as amended would allow

175

Chair Krummel

Defines the crux of the bill being student access to youth programs.

183

Rep. Close

Concurs. Adds there is a clause that would remove federal funds upon non-compliance.

190

Decker

Comments on the importance of ‘face to face’ contact with school programs.

212

John Marshall

Oregon School Boards Association (OSBA). States he spoke with Rep. Close on the federal implications of the measure and adds they would be willing to collaborate on the issue.

230

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HB 3114. Opens public hearing on HB 3268.  

HB 3268 – PUBLIC HEARING

232

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HB 3268. Opens public hearing on HM 2.

HM 2 – PUBLIC HEARING

234

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HM 2. Opens public hearing on HM 3.

HM 3 – PUBLIC HEARING

236

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HM 3. Opens public hearing on HM 4.

HM 4 – PUBLIC HEARING

238

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HM 4. Opens public hearing on HM 5.

HM 5 – PUBLIC HEARING

240

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HM 5. Opens public hearing on HM 6.

HM 6 – PUBLIC HEARING

242

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HM 6. Opens public hearing on HM 7.

HM 7 – PUBLIC HEARING

244

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HM 7. Opens public hearing on HM 8.

HM 8 – PUBLIC HEARING

245

Rep. Mabrey

Asks if there will be a public hearing on HB 3237.

247

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HM 8. Opens public hearing on HB 3237.

HB 3237 – PUBLIC HEARING

250

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HB 3237. Adjourns meeting at 11:20 AM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2148-1, Staff, 10 pp

B – HB 3224-1, Staff, 1 p

C – HB 3224, Linda Adlard, 1 p

D – HB 3224, Jack Kenny, 1 p

E – HB 3573, Rep. Jackie Dingfelder, 1 p

F – HB 3573, Rep. Jackie Dingfelder, 2 pp

G – HB 3573, Rocky Johnson, 1 p

H – HB 3573, Rocky Johnson, 2 pp

I – HB 3573, Jim Slusher, 2 pp

J – HB 2844-1, Staff, 1 p

K – HB 3219, Greg Warnock, 2 pp

L – HB 3219, Walter Crews, 2 pp

M – HB 3272-4, Staff, 8 p

N – HB 3272, Roger Nyquist, 2 pp

O – HB 3272, Roger Latham, 2 pp

P – HB 3272, Jay Dixon, 2 pp

Q – HB 3219, Dennis Luke, 4 pp

R – HB 3114, Fred Decker, 1 p