HOUSE COMMITTEE ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT

 

 

April 15, 2003 Hearing Room D

8:30 AM  Tapes 59 - 63

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Jerry Krummel, Chair

Rep. Donna Nelson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Floyd Prozanski, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Derrick Kitts

Rep. John Mabrey

Rep. Kelley Wirth

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Patrick Brennan, Committee Administrator

Jeana Harrington, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     HB 2148 – Work Session

                                                HB 2246 – Work Session

                                                HB 2410 – Work Session

                                                HB 2961 – Work Session

                                                HB 3023 – Work Session

                                                HB 3060 – Work Session

                                                HB 3072 – Work Session

                                                HB 3073 – Work Session

                                                HB 3206 – Work Session

                                                HB 3212 – Work Session

                                                HB 3272 – Work Session

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 59, A

004

Chair Krummel

Calls meeting to order at 8:46 AM. Opens a work session on HB 2148.

HB 2148 – WORK SESSION

010

Chair Krummel

Notes -2 amendments (EXHIBIT A). Explains that the -2 amendments are a rewrite of the bill. Overviews the requirements of the sections.

059

Cindy Becker

Department of Administrative Services (DAS).

061

Rep. Prozanski

Ensures that DAS upholds the -2 amendments and Governor has directed DAS to work with Chair Krummel on HB 2148.

070

Becker

Responds DAS has been working with Chair Krummel within its understanding of what the Governor would like.  

074

Chair Krummel

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2148-2 amendments dated 4/14/03.

076

 

VOTE:  5-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Nelson, Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

 

 

 

080

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves HB 2148 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

083

Chair Krummel

Discusses the bill.

097

 

VOTE:  5-0-2

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  2 - Nelson, Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

CHAIR KRUMMEL will lead discussion on the floor.

100

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 2148. Opens a work session on HB 2246.

HB 2246 – WORK SESSION

103

Patrick Brennan

Committee Administrator. Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS) on HB 2246. Notes -1 amendments (EXHIBIT B).

109

Susan Wilson

Association of Oregon Housing Authorities (AOHA). Testifies in favor of HB 2246 with the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT C). Informs the committee of the agency and list the benefits of the bill.

160

Chair Krummel

Reminds the committee the bill came from the Oregon Department of Housing.

165

Rep. Avakian

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2246-1 amendments dated 4/2/03.

169

Rep. Prozanski

Comments on the intellectual property definitions in statute being over one hundred.

176

Rep. Kitts

Comments.

181

 

VOTE:  5-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Nelson, Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

 

 

 

193

Rep. Avakian

MOTION:  Moves HB 2246 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and the SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to the committee on Ways and Means BE RESCINDED.

197

 

VOTE:  5-0-2

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  2 - Nelson, Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

REP. AVAKIAN will lead discussion on the floor.

201

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 2246. Opens work session on HB 2410.

HB 2410 – WORK SESSION

203

Patrick Brennan

Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS) on HB 2410. Notes -5 amendments (EXHIBIT D).

213

Rep. Prozanski

Clarifies the proposed revisions are in the amendments

215

Dr. Grant Higginson

States Public Health Officer, Department of Human Services (DHS). Reviews changes made by the -5 amendments. Overviews the bill by sections.

295

Rep. Prozanski

Understands that when a center is identified, there will be provincialing plans.

305

Dr. Higginson

Explains that in the case of a hospital, they would overview the current plan. Adds that in the case of areas that would be created, and that emergency management plans and provincialing plans should be created. Begins explanation of section six. Notes that centers must adhere to the plan to receive funds. Informs the committee of the workgroup that crafted the amendments. States there are still concerns on the measure, and that further amendments are necessary before the bill can move forward. Requests additional time to work on the amendments.  

393

Bruce Bishop

Oregon Association of Hospitals and Health Systems. Supports Dr. Higginson’s intentions for the bill. Pinpoints the two specific issues the agency wishes to fix regarding language used. Notes HB 2251 (2003) is a related bill.

TAPE 60, A

011

Rep. Prozanski

Clarifies the reasons for the concerns.

013

Bishop

Concurs and adds it is meant to fix a conflict. Informs the committee of the second issues with the measure regarding authority. Supports the concept of the bill.

039

Chair Krummel

Clarifies his concerns with the language.

042

Bishop

Responds it may be redundant and that it is not clear.

045

Rep. Prozanski

Requests the related bill.

047

Bishop

Answers HB 2251.

049

Rep. Prozanski

Understands the intent of the bill. Asks if the Governor could use his authority in emergencies such as those described in the bill.

055

Dr. Higginson

Adds on the health care facilities and authority.

065

Chair Krummel

Asks if a rewrite of the bill is necessary.

070

Dr. Higginson

Responds that it depends on the number of changes.

073

Scott Gallant

Oregon Medical Association (OMA). Testifies that OMA supports intent and concept of the bill. Informs the committee that the Governor has constitutional authority over facilities in the state of emergency. Explains the limitations of the bill. Speaks about the Tort Claims Act.

120

Chair Krummel

Asks if Mr. Bishop would be comfortable with the -5 amendments if the amendments are drafted by the required date.

125

Bishop

Replies he would be more comfortable with the suggested amendments.

130

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 2410. Opens work session on HB 2961.

HB 2961 – WORK SESSION

135

Patrick Brennan

Committee Administrator. Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS) on HB 2961.

145

Burton Weast

Special Districts Association of Oregon (SDAO). Presents testimony in support of HB 2961(EXHIBIT E). Adds that it is an anomaly that affects few people. Speaks on work done on the issue of sanitary service to parcels outside of the

196

Rep. Wirth

Sees the potential for the bill to allow for undersized infrastructure.

200

Weast

Responds her concerns are already an issue under current law. 

204

Rep. Wirth

Speaks on the issue of the urban growth boundary (UGB) being underestimated and potentially causing problems.

224

Weast

Responds.

231

Rep. Prozanski

Requests how many properties could be impacted statewide by the bill.

235

Weast

Estimates around sixteen of forty sanitary districts have members who could be affected. Explains that with the exception of Bear Creek Valley, the number is not large.

250

Rep. Prozanski

Asks how many lots have the capability to be subdivided.

255

Weast

Responds concerning a survey.

267

Rep. Prozanski

Asks if there is a local level process.

271

Weast

Explains the exceptions process regarding boundaries and speaks on the difficulty of it.

300

Shirley Kalkhoven

Nehalem Bay. Testifies in favor of HB 2961 (EXHIBIT F).

343

Chuck Root

Manager, Bear Creek Valley Sanitary Authority.

350

Walter Wassum

Bear Creek. Testifies in favor of HB 2961. Shares his experiences in sanitary service.

370

Root

Refers to the letter provided by those who propone the measure (EXHIBIT G).

TAPE 59, B

010

Root

Continues. Lists the benefits of providing sanitary service to land outside of the UGB.

050

Chair Krummel

Differentiates the bill’s intent from the UGB.

056

Wassum

Speaks on the negative affects of those who do not have a sanitary system.

063

Rep. Wirth

Asks about business expansion in the UGB.

068

Root

Responds regarding business. 

078

Rep. Wirth

Believes there is an allowance for health hazard annexation already existing.

084

Root

Explains there are instances where it is difficult and expensive to obtain sewer.

090

Rep. Wirth

Speaks on the extension of services outside the UGB.

100

Chair Krummel

Believes the bill is narrow in focus, and that the expansion discussed is not allowed by the bill.

116

Rep. Wirth

Voices concern with Mr. West’s earlier statements

122

Rep. Mabrey

Comments.

124

Rep. Prozanski

Requests a breakdown on the number of properties affected.

133

Root

Estimates a dozen a year in the Bear Creek Valley.

149

Weast

Relates the usage of water to emphasize the bill affects sewer service. Believes the bill is extremely narrow. 

178

Rep. Wirth

Clarifies an issue of the road system.

182

Weast

Responds with instances of that.

185

Rep. Wirth

Explains she is talking about city standards.

192

Weast

Reiterates the bill does nothing to affect services already existing, and that it only allows extension of sewer services.

199

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 2961. Opens work session on HB 3060.

HB 3060 – WORK SESSION

205

Chair Krummel

Recesses work session on HB 3060. Opens work session on HB 3072.

HB 3072 – WORK SESSION

210

Patrick Brennan

Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS) on HB 3072. Notes the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT I).

215

Chair Krummel

Recesses work session on HB 3072. Reopens work session on HB 3060.

HB 3060 – WORK SESSION

220

Patrick Brennan

Reads SMS on HB 3060.

230

Dave Hunnicutt

Oregonians in Action. Testifies in favor of HB 3060 and the -1 amendments (EXHIBIT H). Recalls the history of the bill.

250

Michelle Deister

League of Oregon Cities (LOC). Testifies in favor of HB 3060.

274

Rep. Prozanski

Asks if the -1 amendments replace the bill.

277

Hunnicutt

Replies the -1 amendments are a ‘gut and stuff’ of the original bill.

284

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3060-1 amendments dated 3/13/03.

287

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

 

 

 

291

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves HB 3060 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

295

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

REP. NELSON will lead discussion on the floor.

301

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 3060. Opens work session on HB 3072.

HB 3072 – WORK SESSION

305

Rep. Tom Butler

House Districts 60. Refers to the -1 amendments and explains the purpose behind them (EXHIBIT I). Testifies in favor of HB 3072. Speaks on issues of income tax and licensure.

366

Rep. Prozanski

Refers to lines 13-17 of the bill. Notes that Oregon Department of Revenue (ODR) poses a confidentiality concern with the wording.

376

Rep. Butler

Replies they are sensitive to that and that information beyond that which is needed is subject to a Class C felony. Believes the language is permissive while still protecting the confidentiality issues.

386

Rep. Prozanski

Asks if the language can be limited as it seems broad.

TAPE 60, B

002

Rep. Butler

Believes the information is protected and that no confidential information is divulged.

014

Rep. Avakian

Assumes the intent of the bill is to encourage people to pay their taxes.

018

Rep. Butler

Concurs.

020

Rep. Avakian

States he does not understand any problems with the existing laws.

025

Rep Butler

Explains that the system will allow for the departments to share the information. Reiterates the intent of the bill.

038

Chair Krummel

Poses question regarding HB 3073.

042

Rep. Butler

Affirms.

044

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB  3072-1 amendments dated 3/31/03.

047

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

 

 

 

050

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves HB 3072 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

054

Rep. Avakian

Questions the necessity of the bill. Says there does not seem to be a reasonable connection between a licensing body and a separate agency which collects taxes. Does not think that a licensing body should police the issue. States his opposition to the bill.

060

Rep. Kitts

States he will be supporting for the committee.

074

Rep. Nelson

Commends Rep. Butler for bringing up the issue.

078

Chair Krummel

Points out that as this bill will affect him, he does not have a problem attesting to the licensing board he pays taxes, but more one of divulging his social security number. Supports the bill despite that.

094

 

VOTE:  6-1

AYE:               6 - Kitts, Mabrey, Nelson, Prozanski, Wirth,  

                              Krummel

NAY:               1 – Avakian

 

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

REP. BUTLER will lead discussion on the floor.

097

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 3072. Opens work session on HB 3073.

HB 3073 – WORK SESSION

100

Rep. Tom Butler

House District 60. Testifies in favor of HB 3073. Notes there are no amendments to the bill. Understands that a fiscal impact statement has been issued. Encourages passage to the committee on Ways and Means.

119

Chair Krummel

Asks if there is currently a subsequent referral to Ways and Means.

121

Patrick Brennan

Negates.

122

Chair Krummel

Requests confirmation that Rep. Butler would like the committee to move the bill to Ways and Means.

123

Rep. Butler

Affirms. Informs the fiscal is between $100-150,000 per biennium. Informs the committee that a subcommittee of Ways and Means would consider that.

136

Cindy Becker

DAS. Comments on the ability of DAS to provide information on employees. States that is should be possible to do so.

157

Rep. Mabrey

Comments that he supports Rep. Butler’s efforts in this regard. Voices concern in providing something that is in no true form as the information to be provided would be raw data. Believes the bill may add to the bureaucracy.

192

Rep. Nelson

Compliments DAS for its work. Speaks on the need for information about employees for administration purposes. Supports the bill.

214

Rep. Wirth

Recalls the special sessions where employees were let go. Asks if the information is readily available.

223

Becker

Responds on where the information can be found and the related process that would need to be created.

232

Rep. Wirth

Asks if the government does know what it is spending on contracts.

235

Becker

Responds with regard to services.

242

Rep. Nelson

Remarks on the cuts made at the local level to illustrate the need for the information

258

Rep. Prozanski

Asks if there have been any estimates on cost for agencies to comply with the request.

262

Becker

Responds DAS has not yet done so, and that it will depend on the automation of the agencies.

274

Rep. Prozanski

Explains that he cannot support the bill until additional information is provided. Comments on the amount of unknown information and questions the usage of the information. Believes it will add a bureaucracy that has no certain purpose. Echoes Rep. Mabrey’s concerns.

308

Chair Krummel

Asks Rep. Prozanski if he would support the subsequent referral to Ways and Means without recommendation.

311

Rep. Prozanski

Negates. Explains the reasoning behind his answer. Believes it may allow for government to target agencies.

342

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 3073. Opens work session on HB 3206.

HB 3206 – WORK SESSION

360

Chair Krummel

Notes -1 and -2 amendments (EXHIBITS J and K).

365

Patrick Brennan

Committee Administrator. Reads Staff Measure Summary (SMS) on HB 2148.

375

Bob Garrison

State Fire Marshal. Explains the request for the amendments by the sheriffs in the -1 amendments. Explains the second half of the -1 amendments. Requests the -2 not be considered.

TAPE 61, A

009

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3206-1 amendments dated 4/3/03.

011

 

VOTE:  6-0-1

EXCUSED:  1 - Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

 

 

 

 

 

 

014

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3206-2 amendments dated 4/3/03.

016

Rep. Prozanski

Withdraws motion.

 

 

 

017

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves HB 3206 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

018

 

VOTE:  6-0-1

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  1 - Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

REP. KITTS will lead discussion on the floor.

020

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 3206. Reopens work session on HB 2961. 

HB 2961 – WORK SESSION

022

Chair Krummel

Clarifies the bill does not have a subsequent referral to Ways and Means.

024

Patrick Brennan

Concurs, adding that as the bill has not yet received a fiscal impact statement.

028

Rep. Prozanski

Asks if a procedural process is required in the situation.

031

Chair Krummel

Affirms and adds it does not preclude moving the bill. Offers his understanding.

040

Rep. Prozanski

Expresses opposition, as there are questions that have not yet been answered. Questions the information received on the matter. Believes the bill could encompass more than it sets out to and that potential unintended consequences could occur.

053

Rep. Nelson

MOTION:  Moves HB 2961 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

057

Chair

Comments.

060

Rep. Wirth

States she will vote in opposition. Echoes Rep. Prozanski’s concerns. Thinks there is already a process to fix this. Believes this is a drastic change from the current system.

065

Rep. Mabrey

Says he does not believe the bill changes land use policy. Thinks the concern of expansion is not one of concern.

073

 

VOTE:  5-2

AYE:               5 - Avakian, Kitts, Mabrey, Nelson, Krummel

NAY:               2 - Prozanski, Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

REP. MABREY will lead discussion on the floor.

084

Chair Krummel

Discusses the bill. Closes work session on HB 2961 and reopens work session on HB 2148.

HB 2148 – WORK SESSION

087

Rep. Nelson

MOTION:  Requests unanimous consent that the rules be SUSPENDED to allow REP. NELSON to BE RECORDED as voting AYE on the "Moves HB 2148 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation".

088

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

089

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 2148. Reopens work session on HB 2246.

HB 2246 – WORK SESSION

089

Rep. Nelson

MOTION:  Requests unanimous consent that the rules be SUSPENDED to allow REP. NELSON to BE RECORDED as voting AYE on the "Moves HB 2246 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and the SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to the committee on Ways and Means BE RESCINDED".

090

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

090

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 2246. Reopens work session on HB 2148.

HB 2148 – WORK SESSION

091

Rep. Wirth

MOTION:  Requests unanimous consent that the rules be SUSPENDED to allow REP. WIRTH to BE RECORDED as voting AYE on the "Moves HB 2148 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation".

092

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

092

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 2148 and reopens work session on HB 2246.

HB 2246 – WORK SESSION

093

Rep. Wirth

MOTION:  Requests unanimous consent that the rules be SUSPENDED to allow REP. WIRTH to BE RECORDED as voting AYE on the "Moves HB 2246 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and the SUBSEQUENT REFERRAL to the committee on Ways and Means BE RESCINDED".

094

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

096

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 2246. Declares the meeting to be recessed until 5:00 PM.

TAPE 62, A

002

Chair Krummel

Reopens meeting at 5:11 PM. Opens work session on HB 3212.

HB 3212 – WORK SESSION

005

Patrick Brennan

Committee Administrator. Reads SMS on HB 3212. Notes -1 amendments (EXHIBIT L).  Mentions there is no fiscal or revenue impact to the bill with the amendments.

010

Rep. Mabrey

Supports the bill and adds that he sponsored it.

022

Colonel Mike Caldwell

Deputy Director, Oregon Military Department (OMD). Speaks on the creation of the bill. Explains the -1 amendments to HB 3212. Explains the term ‘active duty’ was clarified. Notes homeland security was also identified. 

045

Chair Krummel

Asks about the federal duty time.

048

Col. Caldwell

Responds about a year and adds that there are additional provisions. Continues explanation. Notes the largest change was to returning retirees.

065

Shelley Honeywell

DAS. States she worked with Col. Caldwell on the changes and explains them.

070

Chair Krummel

Clarifies the language changes.

075

Honeywell

Responds concerning employees and related statutes to explain language changes.

085

Col. Caldwell

Adds additional changes made.

095

Chair Krummel

Refers the page three and clarifies the term of leave of absence and employment.

100

Col. Caldwell

Concurs.

104

Chair Krummel

Continues and clarifies the time is seven days.

114

Col. Caldwell

Concurs.

117

Rep. Nelson

Remarks that seven days is not very long time to return to a job after being released from active duty.

120

Col. Caldwell

Responds that the typical emergency is around three weeks. Notes benefits are still maintained once jobs are left.

130

Chair Krummel

Comments that other groups would have a problem with a longer than seven day period.

141

Rep. Nelson

Asks if transportation is included in the seven days.

145

Col. Caldwell

Explains the seven days will only apply to Oregon.

156

Rep. Nelson

Asks if Oregonians are ever sent to neighboring states while on active duty.

161

Col. Caldwell

Explains that as a member of the National Guard of the United States, state active duty statues does not apply, and member can be sent elsewhere.

170

Rep. Mabrey

Poses situation to clarify active duty.

176

Rep. Nelson

Adds to that.

179

Col. Caldwell

Concurs.

186

Rep. Mabrey

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3212-1 amendments dated 3/31/03.

190

 

VOTE:  6-0-2

EXCUSED:  2 - Kitts, Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

 

 

 

195

Rep. Mabrey

MOTION:  Moves HB 3212 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

200

 

VOTE:  6-0-2

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  2 - Kitts, Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

REP. MABREY will lead discussion on the floor.

206

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 3212. Opens work session on HB 3272.

HB 3272 - WORK SESSION

215

Mark Nelson

Lane County. Refers the committee to the -5 amendments (EXHIBIT M).  Explains the changes made by the amendments. Notes the counties involved in the sections.

249

Chair Krummel

Asks that with technology available, why the Willamette River is still used as a boundary and a coordinate is not chosen.

254

Nelson

Responds that coordinates have been established.

269

Roger Knight

Lane County. Concurs. Clarifies his question.

276

Chair Krummel

Restates.

278

Knight

Responds that the center of the river is a useful point.

285

Chair Krummel

Restates his question with regard to the boundary.

296

Nelson

Explains that global positioning has been used. Explains the amendments allow for the boundary to be further identified in the future and the counties will be able to determine that.

317

Rep. Kitts

Poses a hypothetical situation.

325

Rep. Prozanski

Speaks on the potential for change regarding the coordinates. Comments on the use of rivers as boundaries over time.

335

Chair Krummel

States his thoughts.

338

Nelson

Offers that all surveyors of all affected counties have come to an agreement on this method.

345

Rep. Kitts

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3272-5 amendments dated 4/10/03.

366

Rep. Prozanski

Notes there are other amendments to be considered.

371

Rep. Kitts

Withdraws motion.

382

Chair Krummel

Indicates that there may be amendments submitted by Sen. Frank Morse.

TAPE 63, A

001

Rep. Wirth

Asks what the original legislative intent was when the boundaries were established.

005

Nelson

Responds regarding the legislative intent.

008

Rep. Wirth

Asks if he knows of any other times when legislation was passed naming counties who did not agree to the bill.

013

Nelson

Understands that all surveyors have agreed to the bill.

018

Rep. Wirth

States she does not see the urgency on the matter.

025

Nelson

Explains an agreement has not been reached in over a year although there has been much discussion. Adds that Lane County would like to rectify this.

036

Rep. Wirth

Clarifies the bill represents frustration with the process.

039

Nelson

Responds there has been disagreement between parties, but the surveyors of all the counties agree and see this as the correct approach.

045

Rep. Wirth

Asks Mr. Nelson if he has seen the -6 amendments (EXHIBIT N).

050

Nelson

Points out the -6 amendments remove Benton county from the bill. Opposes the -6 amendments.

060

Rep. Prozanski

Believes that Sen. Morse has attempted a -7 amendment to broach concerns about compensation on the measure. Asks if the issue has been discussed. Voices hope to fix the issue so it does not resurface in the future.

070

Nelson

Provides that Sen. Morse was comfortable in fixing the bill on the senate side.

075

Rep. Kitts

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3272-5 amendments dated 4/10/03.

076

Rep. Wirth

Requests another question.

078

Rep. Kitts

Withdraws motion.

082

Rep. Wirth

Understands the surveyor cannot make a decision without a commissioner vote.

085

Nelson

Understands an agreement was reached. Explains that he knows Benton County does not want to see the boundary changed for political reasons.

099

Rep. Avakian

Clarifies there is a current boundary. Asks why the bill is even necessary.

104

Nelson

Answers the bill delineates where property owners are going to receive services.

110

Rep. Avakian

Questions the concerns over the correct county line.

113

Nelson

Responds that people have concerns about county services.

118

Rep. Avakian

Clarifies the line is in the river.

119

Nelson

Affirms.

121

Rep. Mabrey

Poses situation to clarify the reasoning behind the bill. 

128

Nelson

Concurs.

135

Rep. Kitts

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3272-5 amendments dated 4/10/03.

138

Rep. Avakian

Requests an explanation of the difference between the -5 and -6 amendments.

141

Brennan

Responds with the stipulations of the -5 amendments.

146

Chair Krummel

Adds to staff’s response.

150

Brennan

Mentions that the -6 amendments remove reference to Benton County.

153

Rep. Prozanski

Comments on the need for local government to come to the states when they disagree. Speaks on the movement of the river over time. Questions the types of improvements the county made to the river and questions the compensation related to the boundary. Does not believe the bill is complete. Questions whether it is best to move forward or to respect it will be addressed on the floor and then maybe the Senate.

199

Rep. Nelson

Believes the issue is the ‘prudent and right thing to do’. Thinks the issue is all encompassing and that there are great discrepancies. Supports moving the bill.

221

Rep. Prozanski

Notes the $17,000 spent on administrative fees, among other fees to counties involved. Questions the wisdom of moving the bill.

232

Rep. Kitts

Believes the bill simplifies the problem needing to be addressed.

236

Rep. Wirth

States she opposes the bill with the -5 amendments. Does not believe all the counties agree to the bill. Suggests the counties work the problem out amongst themselves. Believes passage would equate usurping the legislature.

252

Rep. Nelson

Speaks on the issue of counties.

260

Rep. Avakian

Echoes Rep. Wirth’s concerns in using states power on a local issue. States he has the impression that the issues is irreconcilable and that then states power should therefore be utilized.

275

Rep. Prozanski

Supports the -5 amendments, but does not support the bill. Offers alternative ways to address the issues, although they may not save funds. Believes another amendment should come to address compensation.

298

Rep. Avakian

Thinks it is appropriate to set a boundary in such a situation but does not believe that compensation is an area to venture into.

306

Rep. Wirth

Offers that Benton County representatives believe they have not had proper say in the issue.

314

Chair Krummel

Supports the -5 amendments. Thinks the information discussed by Rep. Avakian is valid, but adds that Sen. Morse may be able to reconcile these issue. Would like to move the bill to the floor, and when it arrives in the Senate they can also try to find a resolution. Notes a conference committee could also be utilized.

365

 

VOTE:  6-1

AYE:               6 - Avakian, Kitts, Mabrey, Nelson, Prozanski,

                              Krummel

NAY:               1 – Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

 

 

 

368

Rep. Kitts

MOTION:  Moves HB 3272 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

371

Rep. Prozanski

States he will vote against the measure as the bill is premature. Believes an important point has not been addressed.

385

Chair Krummel

Remarks on the bill.

397

 

VOTE:  5-2

AYE:               5 - Avakian, Kitts, Mabrey, Nelson, Krummel

NAY:               2 - Prozanski, Wirth

 

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

REP. KITTS will lead discussion on the floor.

403

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HB 3272. Adjourns meeting at 6:20 PM.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2148, -2 amendments, Staff, 11 pp.

B – HB 2246, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p

C – HB 2246, Susan Wilson, 1 p

D – HB 2410, -5 amendments, Staff, 4 pp.

E – HB 2961, Burton Weast, 2 pp.

F – HB 2961, Shirley Kalkhoven, 1 p

G – HB 2961, Chuck Root, 9 pp.

H – HB 3060,-1 amendments, Staff, 2 pp.

I – HB 3072, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p

J – HB 3206, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p

K – HB 3206, -2 amendments, Staff, 1 p

L – HB 3212, -1 amendments, Staff, 4 pp.

M – HB 3272, -5 amendments, Staff, 8 pp.

N – HB 3272, -6 amendments, Staff, 7 pp.