HOUSE COMMITTEE ON GENERAL GOVERNMENT

 

May 15, 2003 Hearing Room D

8:30 AM Tape  80 – 82

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Jerry Krummel, Chair

Rep. Donna Nelson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Floyd Prozanski, Vice-Chair

Rep. Brad Avakian

Rep. Derrick Kitts

Rep. John Mabrey

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:             Rep. Kelley Wirth

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Patrick Brennan, Committee Administrator

Mara McGraw, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURES HEARD:                     Adoption of Committee Measures

                                                SB 676 – Work Session

                                                HJR 55 – Public Hearing and Work Session

                                                HB 3635 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

Tape 80, A

005

Chair Krummel

Calls meeting to order at 8:47 AM. and opens work session for purpose of introduction of committee measures.

LC Draft 3572 – WORK SESSION

009

Patrick Brennan

Summarizes LC Draft 3572 (EXHIBIT A).

023

Bob Cantine

Association of Oregon Counties. Provides overview of bill and fiscal impact to state. Details County budget policy as it relates to State. Submits written testimony on behalf of Anthony Hyde (EXHIBIT B). 

074

Rep. Prozanski

MOTION:  Moves LC 3572 BE INTRODUCED as a committee bill.

078

 

VOTE:  6-0-1

EXCUSED:  1 - Wirth

079

Chair Kruse

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

082

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on LC Draft 3572 and opens work session on SB 676.

SB 676 – WORK SESSION

087

Brennan

Summarizes bill. Submits -1 amendments, dated 5/15/03 (EXHIBIT C).

093

Randy Hilderbrand

Senate Republicans. Submits written testimony in support of bill (EXHIBIT D). Speaks to utilization and consolidation of State motor pool.  Testifies in support of -1 amendments.

165

Rep. Prozanski

Inquires on efficiency options.

172

Hildebrand

Suggests use of national expert to determine fleet contract.

177

Rep. Prozanski

Comments on Department of Administrative Services (DAS) review process in determination.

183

Hildebrand

References DAS report currently available.

188

Rep. Prozanski

Notes limited information in the summary of that report.

191

Hildebrand

Offers to present member with full report.

198

Rep. Kitts

Clarifies motor pool reorganization plan.

206

Hildebrand

Further details consolidation process. Notes current agency contracts under similar operation.

222

Rep. Kitts

Inquires on potential for further savings.

240

Hildebrand

Discusses bulk purchasing options. Clarifies savings via consolidation.

258

Rep. Nelson

Inquires on date of figures presented.

260

Hildebrand

Explains source and reporting of figures on motor pool (EXHIBIT D).

279

Rep. Nelson

Comments on vehicle purchase and cost.

297

Hildebrand

Comments on challenges in gathering figures from state agencies. Discusses discrepancy in figures.

323

Rep. Nelson

Suggests amendment language to address issue.

338

Hildebrand

Notes current language in bill and -1 amendments address issue.

369

Rep. Prozanski

Inquires on specific section of bill regarding specially equipped vehicles for DAS.

394

Hildebrand

Clarifies language and application of bill to specific departments and vehicles. Discusses tracking capabilities via DAS.

440

Rep. Prozanski

Comments on efficiency options.

448

Hildebrand

Concurs use of other agencies upon recommendation of experts at DAS or national consultant.

453

Rep. Kitts

Inquires on staffing issues to accommodate bill.

465

Hildebrand

Comments on personal options to implement bill.

496

Rep. Kitts

Inquires on fiscal impact.

498

Brennan

Points out bill in current form has no fiscal impact. Notes -1 amendments have not yet been analyzed by fiscal department.

TAPE 81, A

025

Chair Krummel

Inquires on Oregon Liquor Control Commission (OLCC) motor pool cost options.

035

Hildebrand

Notes additional costs not tracked at specific agencies. Speaks to cost per mile figures.

044

Rep. Prozanski

Inquires on cost per gallon of gas at time of reporting.

047

Hildebrand

Notes purchase of bilk fuel and discusses costs to State.

055

Rep. Prozanski

Notes additional fuel consumption under bill.

061

Hildebrand

Notes agencies disperse vehicles throughout state and relates to fuel costs.

070

Chair Krummel

Requests input on -1 amendments.

074

Cindy Becker

Assistant Director, Department of Administrative Services (DAS). Testifies in supports of concept of consolidation. Impresses need to implement efficiently. Notes additional staff not required. Supports implementing at individual agencies to track success.

120

Rep. Prozanski

Suggests amendment language to address implementation at select agencies.

132

Becker

Concurs with suggestion.

141

Rep. Prozanski

Inquires on fuel purchasing costs and policies.

149

Rod Lowhof

Fleet Manager, DAS. Discusses fuel purchasing policy and processes.

172

Rep. Prozanski

Inquires on requirements and standards in choice of refueling.

182

Lowhof

Notes fuel options are suggested but not mandated.

186

Rep. Nelson

Inquires on language regarding “fully loaded costs.”

189

Becker

Defines additional and indirect costs.

210

Lowhof

Notes fees and delivery charge added to fuel costs to obtain figure.

223

Rep. Kitts

Submits OLCC data sheet (EXHIBIT E). Inquires on fuel use for DAS and card lock. Requests figures on reimbursement.

245

Lowhof

Explains investigation of reimbursement transactions. Offers figures for retail, card lock and DAS fueling costs.

276

Rep. Nelson

Inquires on inventory possibilities.

281

Lowhof

Notes central inventory is possible.

290

Rep. Kitts

Inquires on items included in OLCC data figures.

296

Jon Stubenvoll

Communications Director, Oregon Liquor Control Commission. Details data.

301

Rep. Kitts

Compares lease option figures. Request information on compilation of figures.

326

Lisa Zavala

Oregon University System. Speaks to -1 amendments and compares to SB 726. Indicates cost will increase with implementation of bill. Sites cost increases for specific universities. Notes total biennium cost to University System.

393

Stubenvoll

Encourages committee to review Maximums report.

412

Rep. Nelson

Inquires on vehicle reports by University System.

419

Zavala

Notes possible vehicle ownership by other agents and donated to schools.

440

Chair Krummel

States intent regarding bill.

441

Rep. Krummel

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT SB 676-1 amendments dated 5/15/03.

TAPE 80, B

020

Prozanski

Comments on -1 amendments and explains vote.

039

Rep. Mabrey

Requests permission to change vote.

049

Chair Krummel

Allows Rep. Mabrey to change vote from AYE to NAY.

050

 

VOTE:  3-3-1

AYE:               3 - Kitts, Nelson, Krummel

NAY:               3 - Avakian, Mabrey, Prozanski

EXCUSED:     1 - Wirth

060

Chair Krummel

The motion FAILS.

061

Rep. Kitts

MOTION:  Moves SB 676 be POSTPONED DEFINITELY to 5/20/03 .

096

Rep. Nelson

Discusses Rep. Prozanski’s comments regarding on -1 amendments.

109

Chair Krummel

Rules Nelson out of order.

112

Rep. Kitts

Speaks to the date.

115

Chair Krummel

Notes date stands as is.

125

 

VOTE:  4-2-1

AYE:               4 - Kitts, Mabrey, Prozanski, Krummel

NAY:               2 - Avakian, Nelson

EXCUSED:     1 - Wirth

130

Chair Kruse

The motion CARRIES.

131

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on SB 676 and opens public hearing on HJR 55.

HJR 55 – PUBLIC HEARING

140

Rep. John Mabrey

House District 59. Presents background of resolution. Details jeopardy to area training programs. Discusses grant potential as it relates to resolution. Comments on -1 amendments (EXHIBIT F) and additional amendment language.

272

Dr. Frank Toda

President, Columbia Gorge Community College. Discusses process to declare Columbia Community College as a first responder training center. Notes medical capabilities of area and impact of grant funds.

333

Rep. Prozanski

Clarifies intent of bill.

342

Rep. Mabrey

Requests delay to create official amendment.

359

Rep. Nelson

Notes potential for incorrect data in amendment.

371

Toda

Notes verification of data.

400

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HRJ 55 and opens work session on HJR 55.

HJR 55 – WORK SESSION

414

Rep. Mabrey

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HJR 55 -1 amendments dated 5/2/03.

415

 

VOTE:  6-0-1

EXCUSED:  1 - Wirth

416

Chair Krummel

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

424

Rep. Mabrey

MOTION:  Moves to CONCEPTUALLY AMEND HJR 55 by deleting page 1, line 18 and line 19 and inserting “that Columbia Gorge Community College shall be designated as an Oregon First Responder Training Center".

458

 

VOTE:  6-0-1

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote AYE.

EXCUSED:  1 - Wirth

459

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

461

Rep. Mabrey

MOTION:  Moves HJR 55 be sent to the floor with a BE ADOPTED AS AMENDED recommendation.

473

 

VOTE:  6-0-1

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote AYE.

EXCUSED:  1 - Wirth

480

Chair Krummel

The motion CARRIES.

MABREY will lead discussion on the floor.

483

Chair Krummel

Closes work session on HJR 55 and opens public hearing on HB 3635.

HB 3635 – PUBLIC HEARING

491

Brennan

Summarizes bill.

TAPE 81, B

019

Rep. Derrick Kitts

House District 20. Offers background and history on bill. Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT G). Discusses compensation caps used in other states.

067

Rep. Nelson

Inquires on caps listed in other states and average Oregon salary.

069

Rep. Kitts

Reports figures and cap percentiles. Notes salary information acquired from Oregon Blue Book.

087

Rep. Prozanski

Comments on comparative salaries in private sector. Inquires on differentiation between public contracting and public employees. Inquires on market rate determining salary. Questions specific salary data regarding Governor’s salary.

089

Rep. Kitts

Notes business policy regarding salaries. Explains crafting of bill regarding specific salaries. Notes government responsibility to cap salaries. Discusses accurate Governors salary.

150

Brennan

Clarifies Governor’s salary discrepancy.

164

Rep. Prozanski

Inquires on implementation of bill as it impacts current employees.

170

Rep. Kitts

Comments on public service as it relates to decrease in current salary rates.

194

Rep. Nelson

Inquires if bill encompasses all state employees.

200

Rep. Kitts

Clarifies scope of bill as it relates to compensation packages. Notes policy can be change to address issue.

210

Rep. Avakian

Notes power differential and inquires on choice of Governor as top salary. Comments on ability to amend bill to meet fiscal needs of State.

220

Rep. Kitts

Clarifies choice of Governor as top salary in Oregon.

244

Rep. Prozanski

Inquires on limitations to State salaries.

258

Rep. Kitts

Explains broad scope of ORS 279 including contracts, bids and other services outside of specified salaries. 

292

Rep. Mabrey

Comments on relationship and differences between market salaries and job desirability.

364

Marc Delphine

Lobby Director, Oregon Libertarian Party. Testifies in support of bill. Discusses supply and demand, Oregon economy and private sector money management, and Governor salary.

388

Richard Burke

Executive Director, Libertarian Party. Notes May Revenue Forecast. Speaks to legitimacy of government as perceived by constituents. Notes ability to contract services via private sector. Comments on local figures cited for Minnesota.

441

Rep. Mabrey

Inquires on specific salaries under question.

447

Burke

Discusses salaries for person under contract with the State.

462

Rep. Mabrey

Notes additional revenue sources as they relate to current salary structure.

488

Burke

Opines on user fees as revenue consuming versus revenue generating.

TAPE 82, A

033

Chair Krummel

Inquires on distinction between cost of Gubernatorial position versus salary of Governor; including benefit and compensation package and other additional costs.

062

Rep. Kitts

Notes bill is salary specific. Notes difference between ownership and lease of state property.

091

Chair Krummel

Closes public hearing on HB 3635 and adjourns meeting at 10:49 A.M.

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – LC 3572, draft, staff, 41 pp.

B – LC 3572, written testimony, Anthony Hyde, 2 pp.

C – SB 676, -1 amendments, dated 5/15/03, staff, 3 pp.

D – SB 676, written testimony, Randy Hilderbrand, 2 pp.

E – SB 676, written testimony, Rep. Derrick Kitts, 1 p.

F – HJR 55, -1 amendments, dated 5/2/03, staff, 1 p.

G – HB 3635, written testimony, Rep. Derrick Kitts, 1 p.