HOUSE COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY

 

 

January 29, 2003   Hearing Room 357

1:00 p.m.  Tapes 19 - 20

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Max Williams, Chair

Rep. Robert Ackerman, Vice-Chair

Rep. Gordon Anderson, Vice-Chair

Rep. Jeff  Barker

Rep. Jerry Krummel

Rep. Greg Macpherson

Rep. Floyd Prozanski

Rep. Lane Shetterly

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:            Rep. Bob Jenson

 

GUEST MEMBER:                 Rep. Steve March

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Bill Taylor, Counsel

                                                Ann Martin, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            Informational Meeting:

                                                “People with Mental Illness in Our Criminal Justice System”

                                               

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

Tape 19, A

004

Chair Williams

Calls the meeting to order at 1:10 p.m.

015

Bill Taylor

Committee Counsel. Informs committee of presentation.

INFORMATIONAL MEETING—People with Mental Illness in Our Criminal Justice System

020

Daniel Souweine

Council of State Governments. Submits testimony, introduces panel and announces the presentation on mental illness and the criminal justice system (EXHIBITS A-C).

065

Fred Osher, M.D.

Director, Center of Behavioral Health, Justice & Public Policy. Discusses Mental Illness and the Criminal Justice System.

258

Captain John Caceci

Monroe County Sheriff’s Office, New York. Submits testimony and talks about The Criminal Justice System and Mentally Ill Offenders (EXHIBIT D).

TAPE 20, A

002

Caceci

Continues his discussion on mentally ill offenders.

029

Osher

Explains lessons from the Mental Health Consensus Project.

090

David Wertheimer

Principal Consultant, Kelly Point Partners. Submits testimony and talks about measuring dollars and cents and the price tags related to the incarceration of people with severe and persistent mental illnesses (EXHIBIT E).

158

Chair Williams

Asks about the two studies and if they were long-term or short-term studies.

155

Osher

Replies that this was a 1-year study or short-term study.

182

Wertheimer

Continues his discussion on Cost Data Studies.

383

Osher

Comments on what the legislature can do about mental illness and the criminal justice system.

TAPE 19, B

010

Osher

Continues his discussion.

058

Wertheimer

Discusses silo busting in Washington State.

119

Rep. Prozanski

Asks about the pilot project in Washington.

126

Wertheimer

Responds that the initial pilot project was in King County, but now encompasses all Washington counties.

140

Rep. Prozanski

Wonders how the pilot project works with the counties.

145

Wertheimer

Explains how Washington’s mental health dollar allocations are based on regional support networks.

175

Chair Williams

Asks about housing and re-entry issues. Asks if the King County project was a controlled housing environment.

190

Wertheimer

Answers that initially it was a controlled environment.

204

Osher

Discusses predictors of recidivism and the importance of housing for people coming out of jails and prisons.

264

Rep. Shetterly

Comments on how prevention and transition of offenders back into the community is most cost effective. Asks about the McNeil Island project.

288

Wertheimer

Explains the Partnership for Community Safety pilot project.

TAPE 20, B

005

Caceci

Stresses the importance of  community-based treatment programs and housing for mentally ill offenders.

052

Rep. Anderson

Mentions success of mentors at youth authority facilities in his area. Asks if there are any mentor programs for adult offenders.

064

Wertheimer

Says, yes, and discusses a program in King County.

081

Osher

Emphasizes that case managers are very important for coordinating service needs for mentally ill offenders returning to society.

096

Rep. Anderson

Asks about the importance of psychotropic drugs for these offenders.

103

Osher

Says that medication is very helpful to the seriously mentally ill offenders.

114

Souweine

Comments that there has been much success in peers assisting people with mental illnesses.

125

Wertheimer

Discusses a program in Connecticut.

141

Chair Williams

Mentions that access to antipsychotic medications usually requires access to a health care program.

143

Rep. March

Asks if there are any statutory changes to involuntary commitment that they would suggest.

154

Osher

Says that is an area where there isn’t consensus.

164

Rep. Prozanski

Talks about a pilot program in Lane County that prepares offenders for re-entering society.

181

Osher

Says that he has been connected with many providers in Oregon and that there have been many good programs in Oregon.

196

Rep. Shetterly

Asks if there is consensus on psychotropic drugs.

204

Osher

Answers that there is little debate on the effectiveness of these drugs, but that there is a breakdown in compliance issues.

219

Rep. Macpherson

Wonders about housing issues for the mentally ill offenders re-entering society.

235

Osher

Says that this issue has been understudied and explains.

263

Wertheimer

Comments on housing issues. Says that cluster housing for returning sex offenders reduces recidivism, but frightens the public.

300

Taylor

Discusses next week’s schedule.

383

Chair Williams

Adjourns the meeting at 2:55 p.m.

 

 

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – Informational, Mental Illness and the Criminal Justice System, submitted by Daniel Souweine, 43 pgs.

B – Informational, Presenter biographies, submitted by Daniel Souweine, 2 pgs.

C – Informational, Booklet, Criminal Justice/Mental Health Consensus Project/Project Overview, submitted by Daniel Souweine, 9 pgs.

D – Informational, Written presentation on The Criminal Justice System and Mentally Ill Offenders, submitted by Captain John Caceci, dated January 29, 2003, 9 pgs.

E – Informational, Written material on People with Mental Illness in the Criminal Justice System: Fiscal Implications, submitted by David Wertheimer, 2 pgs.