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INFORMATIONAL
MEETING |
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TAPE 81, 82,
A-B |
MARCH 14,
2003 8:30 AM STATE CAPITOL BUILDING
Members Present: Representative Lane Shetterly, Chair
Representative
Joanne Verger, Vice Chair
Representative
Phil Barnhart
Representative
Vicki Berger
Representative
Pat Farr
Representative
Mark Hass
Representative
Elaine Hopson
Representative
Max Williams
Members Excused: Rep. Wayne Scott, Vice Chair
Witness Present: Bruce Warner, Oregon Department of
Transportation
Paul
Mather, Oregon Department of Transportation
Mike
Marsh, Oregon Department of Transportation
Olivia
Clark, Tri-Met
Roger
Martin, Oregon Transit Association
Staff Present: Paul
Warner, Legislative Revenue Officer
Dick
Yates, Legislative Revenue Office
Kathy
Tooley, Committee Assistant
TAPE 81, SIDE A
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Chair Shetterly |
Calls meeting to order at 9:03 a.m. |
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Dick Yates |
Discussed nearly complete Highway Cost Allocation Study. Asked Oregon Department of Transportation
to discuss highway financing and federal policy. |
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Bruce Warner B. Warner |
Discussed of state, city, county highway and roadside needs,
excluding air, marine, mass transit.
Highlighted needs, discussed 2001 Oregon Transportation Investment Act,
OTIA, (Exhibit 1). Discussion of requests, funds allocated. |
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B. Warner |
Discussion of monies lost to inflation. |
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123 |
B. Warner |
Discussed affect of rising fuel efficiency. |
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127 |
B. Warner |
Discussed highway fuel revenues. |
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142 |
B. Warner |
Discussed increase in population and registration of vehicles. |
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157 |
B. Warner |
Discussed increase in vehicle miles traveled. |
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164 |
B. Warner |
Discussed increased congestion. |
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170 |
B. Warner |
Discussed additional challenges, aging infrastructure, endangered species
act, culvert replacement for fish passage, sediment control measures. |
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182 |
B. Warner |
Discussed annual maintenance/preservation unmet needs. |
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191 |
B. Warner |
Discussed maintenance activities and citizen expectations. |
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230 |
Rep. Verger |
What do you see as your department’s relationship to cities and
counties? |
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B. Warner |
Interaction, dissolving differences, currently sharing equipment and
joint facilities, people don’t care what jurisdiction fixes the roads, just
want them maintained. |
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Rep. Farr |
State highway system does that include interstate? |
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Paul Mather |
Answered affirmatively. Discussed strategy for bridge crisis. |
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Mather |
Discussed bridge conditions, freight issues. |
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Mather |
Discussed background of bridges, including aging, many reaching 50 to
100 year life expectancy. |
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Mather |
Discussed posting of cracked state bridges, bridges built in the
1950s and weight limits issues. |
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Mather |
Discussed bridge crisis, emergency repairs from 1997 to 2003;
expecting 5% to be restricted, by 2010 850 will be posted. |
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Mather |
Discussed recent bridge emergencies and resulting emergencies. |
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Questions and discussion regarding trucks through Monroe. |
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Discussion regarding Coos Bay Bridge. |
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Mather |
Discussion of Bridge Task force June 2002. Recommended selection
process away from worst first, to a corridor approach; starting with I-5 and
I-84 first. |
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Mather |
Discussed OTIA funding and bridge repairs it has been able to fund. |
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Mather |
Discussed freight shipments and importance to economy. |
TAPE 82, SIDE A
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Mather |
Discussed over a third of trucks carry loads over 80,000 pounds gross
weight; divisible loads and indivisible loads. |
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Hopson |
Is there data on the safety of the triple trailer rigs? |
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Mather |
Can get it. |
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Mather |
Description of trucks and goods they carry. |
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Mather |
Discussed points of origination for truck transit. |
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Mather |
Discussed regional areas of production dependent on roads and
importance on local economies. |
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Mather |
Results of study described a $5 billion problem in needed bridge work
over the next 10 years to remove restrictions from bridges. |
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Chair Shetterly |
State, City, and County? |
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Mather |
Answered Affirmatively. Discussed weight restrictions to 64,000 pounds will result in more
trips; discussed effect on economies $122 billion by 2025, loss of 88,000
jobs. |
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Mather |
Discussed impact on jobs, investment and regional economic
implication. |
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Hopson |
Why does Rogue Valley have the highest incidence of cracked bridges? |
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Mather |
Has to do with the time period in the late 1950s, early 1960s in
which they were built. |
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Mather |
Livability declines when bridge emergencies are in effect, safety
risks, maintenance costs increase. |
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Mather |
Impacts on industry if weight restricted to 80,000 lbs; costs will
increase and be passed on to the consumer. |
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Mather |
Discussed recommendations of task force. |
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Mather |
Four
key priorities: ·
Fix
interstate keeping trucks off local streets.
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Fix
important freight routes that link to interstate system. ·
Fix
economically critical city/county bridges that links network construction. ·
Secure,
emergency funding source, for bridges of lower priority, that would allow
minimal services for all communities. |
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Mather |
Recommend staged approach with assumption projects would be done
within 10 years; ODOT feels it can be done in 7 years. |
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Mather |
Discussed process, needs and impacts, and database of use to
understand cost/benefits. |
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Mather Mather |
Oregon Transportation Commission issued a draft report in January,
that said the staged approach did not fix the interstate fast enough, and
needed to reach more areas of Oregon. Presented revised report to the Committee with 5 stage process and
priorities. |
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Mather |
Discussed Stage 1, Highway 97, discussed importance, provided within
existing funds, discussed assumptions. |
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Mather |
Discussed Stage 2, main priority is interstate highways, portion of
I-5, I-84, I-205, rationale and costs. |
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Mather |
Discussed Stage 3, balance of I-5. |
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Questions and discussion regarding number of bridges, overpasses,
repairing/replacing. |
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Mather |
Discussed Stage 4, begins network of repairs beyond the interstate,
focus on important economic regions. |
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Farr |
Does that tally include bridges over the interstate? |
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Mather |
Does not include all overpasses and interchanges, looked from a
strategic standpoint, which were most important, compared to routes in Stage
4 and reviewed trade-offs. |
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Mather |
Discussed list of bridges and costs. |
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Mather |
Discussed shift in thinking in Stage 5, prior stages built to
accommodate any load. Stage 5
accommodates 95% of loads for greater economic gain, including 105,000 pound
loads. |
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Mather |
Discussed need for emergency bridge funding for those that are not
included in 5 Stages. |
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Mather |
Summarized key priorities. |
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Mather |
Discussed recommendation for funding all 5 Stages, $2 billion. |
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Mather |
Discussed funding options, assumes bonding package that aggressively
rebuilds bridges; need $150 million annually to fund. |
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Mather |
Summarized state of bridges and affect on economy, impacts if not
funded. |
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Mather |
Discussed stimulus on economy, could be complete within 7-10 years;
generation $1 billion in wages. |
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Rep. Verger |
These stages reflect today’s industry and trucking needs, how would
new business affect priorities? |
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Mather |
Discussed strategy and timing of Highways 38 and 42. |
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Rep. Hass |
Discussed prior legislation, is there analysis of local funding to
fix local priorities? Questions and discussion regarding local option. |
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Rep. Barnhart |
Bills from Congressman DeFazio would put a weight limit on divisible
loads, encourage freight traffic, with heavier traffic handled by rail, do
you have an economic analysis? Does limiting weight limits make a difference
in the work that needs to be done and costs. |
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Mather |
The system is in crisis; have bridges that are going to fail and not
accommodate any load. |
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Rep. Berger |
What’s the life span of the new 217 bridge just completed? |
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Mather |
The expect lifespan of 217is 75 to 100 years, built to current
seismic and load standards. |
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Rep. Berger |
When we get to Stage 3, what are they doing in Northern California
and in Idaho as part of a grid? |
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Mather |
Oregon has dramatically more critical problems than neighboring
states, Washington, Idaho and California. |
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Rep. Verger |
Regarding bidding process; described Florida company that painted
North Bend Bridge, will Oregon business lose to out of state business and not
put Oregonians to work? |
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B. Warner |
For every $1 million invested in transportation projects, there are
19 family wage jobs. Under current
law, lowest bidder gets the project.
Looking at level of investment under discussion, have to look at other
than standard low bid, look at qualifications of consultant/contractor team, cost,
timeliness; need for clarity from Legislature as how to do that and keep jobs
in Oregon. |
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Chair Shetterly |
Discussed complicated process, retaliation in vying for out of state
bids if Oregon is given preference here. |
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B. Warner |
It should be one of the considerations when you look at a proposal to
move forward with a package. |
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Rep. Barnhart |
Concern regarding job bundling, difficulty of bidding for local
business, how can a small business get an opportunity? Are you looking at separating design
now/building later for the purpose of speeding up and lowering costs. |
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B. Warner |
Standard design/build process won’t work on projects of this
magnitude. Other than low bid can get
to use of local contractors. |
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Rep. Barnhart |
What you really bought was management for a set of projects? |
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B. Warner |
What we are discussing is a design/build process, giving
responsibility for design and construction. |
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Chair Shetterly |
Incorporating a period of responsibility for repairs as well? |
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B. Warner |
Answered affirmatively.
Instead of using a low bid, ODOT would use a preference to weight and
figure out best combination to assure accomplishing projects or avoiding
issues. |
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Mike Marsh Marsh |
Discussed overview on financial change (Exhibit 2). Discussed federal financing tools; innovative finance process, Road
User Fee Task Force. |
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Marsh Marsh |
Discussed federal financing tools. Discussed benefits of advance construction, use of existing funds to
begin a project and replace with Federal Funds later. |
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Marsh |
Discussed flexible match, allows private contribution, in-kind match;
using what’s available to get a project moving forward. |
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Marsh |
Discussed tapered match, using 100% federal funding up front, with ending
balance or reserves at end of biennium. |
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Marsh |
Discussion test and evaluation funds as match for federal projects. |
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Marsh |
Discussed analysis of highway cost to ensure reserve is appropriate
to pay future debt. Discussed highway
cost allocation study. |
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Marsh |
Discussed Innovative Finance Advisory Committee. Major tool, using venture capital and
private sector. |
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Marsh |
Discussed upcoming legislation for changes in contracting procedure. |
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Marsh |
Discussed prequalification methods; unsolicited bid system. |
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Marsh |
Discussed imminent domain process. |
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Marsh Marsh |
Discussed Federal financing, Garvee bonds. Discussed Road User Fee Task Force discussed purpose and upcoming
information. |
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Marsh |
Discussed hybrids and planning required. |
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Marsh |
Discussed task force review of alternatives, trying to come up with a
user fee approach. Mileage fee
approach has been recommended and moving forward and would replace fuel tax
with user system. |
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Marsh |
Other options being reviewed:
Congestion pricing with rate adjustments according to system needs;
tolling with alternative routes; studded tire use fee, dealing with damage,
providing incentives for reducing usage. |
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Olivia Clark |
Discussed Tri-met mass transit, “How We Get There Matters”, (Exhibit
3), history, increases in ridership, pollution abatement. |
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Clark Clark Clark |
Discussed productivity improvement process as a model for the country
for productivity improvements. Discussed federal air quality attainment requirements, discussed
economic consequences for not meeting requirement. Discussed statutorial funding by payroll tax, which provides half of
operating budget; 25% fare recovery, balance funded by federal grants,
enterprise activity and advertising. |
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Clark |
Discussed federal funds transit discretionary dollars and 6 year
re-authorization of federal Surface Transportation Act. Tri-met expects to compete at the federal
level for $400 million in discretionary dollars for 6 years to pay for light
rail. |
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Clark |
Discussed federal requirements:
Must be a good project, have local match, and can be operated for 20
years. Cannot show with current
revenues that operating dollars will be available into the future for another
light rail line. |
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Roger Martin |
Discussed executive summary of recent study “Oregon’s Transit
Network: Status and Condition the Statewide Transit Fleet” (Exhibit 4). |
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Martin |
Discussed affect of freezing cigarette tax on large and small transit
systems. Some small systems which do
not have reserves are shutting down as of April 1. Discussed fear of losing 2 cent cigarette tax in the next
biennium primarily affecting seniors and handicapped statewide. |
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Meeting adjourned at 10:40 a.m. |
Tape Log Submitted by,
Kathy Tooley, Committee
Assistant Reviewed by Kim Taylor James
Exhibit Summary:
1.
B.Warner,
“Transportation System Update”, 59 pages
2.
M.Marsh,
“Overview on Financial Change”, 5 pages
3.
Clark,
“How We Get There Matters”, 11 pages
4.
Martin,
“Oregon’s Transit Network: Status and
Condition the Statewide Transit Fleet”, 2 pages