INFORMATIONAL MEETING: INVITED TESTIMONY

 

TAPE 93-94, A-B

 

HOUSE REVENUE COMMITTEE

March 21, 2003†† 9:00 AM†† STATE CAPITOL BUILDING

 

Members Present:††††††††††† ††††††††††† Representative Lane Shetterly, Chair

††††††††††††††††††††††† ††††††††††† ††††††††††† Representative Wayne Scott, Vice Chair

††††††††††††††††††††††† ††††††††††† ††††††††††† Representative Joanne Verger, Vice Chair

††††††††††††††††††††††† ††††††††††† ††††††††††† Representative Vicki Berger

††††††††††††††††††††††† ††††††††††† ††††††††††† Representative Pat Farr

††††††††††††††††††††††† ††††††††††† ††††††††††† Representative Elaine Hopson†††††††††††† †††††††††††††††††††††††

 

Members Excused:††††††††† ††††††††††† Representative Phil Barnhart

††††††††††††††††††††††† ††††††††††† ††††††††††† Representative Mark Hass

††††††††††††††††††††††† ††††††††††† ††††††††††† Representative Max Williams

 

Witness Present:††††††††††† ††††††††††† Brian Reeder, Department of Education

††††††††††††††††††††††† ††††††††††† ††††††††††† Susan Castillo, Superintendent of Public Instruction

 

Staff Present:††† ††††††††††† ††††††††††† Paul Warner, Legislative Revenue Office

††††††††††††††††††††††† ††††††††††† ††††††††††† Steve Meyer, Legislative Revenue Office

††††††††††††††††††††††† ††††††††††† ††††††††††† Tara Lantz, Committee Assistant

 

TAPE 93, SIDE A

 

004

Chair Shetterly

Calls meeting to order at 9:21 am.

 

009

Susan Castillo

Discusses the current situation in Oregonís public schools including increasing standards, increasing numbers of students with special needs, and decreased funding. Refer to written testimony (Exhibit 1).

 

 

 

104

Castillo

Discusses misperceptions of Oregon public schools.

 

 

 

154

Castillo

Gives suggestions for raising revenues in the next biennium.

 

 

 

221

Rep. Farr

Discusses conversation with Eugene school board in which it was pointed out that students meeting high standards might be cyclical and now that pre-Measure 5 students are graduating, the high education standards that have been met might decrease.

 

 

 

251

Rep. Verger

Asks why the schools will lose money if they donít comply with meeting standards.

 

 

 

267

Castillo

Responds that they will lose federal money if they donít comply with federal law and that there are strict timelines and guidelines.

 

 

 

303

Rep. Shetterly

Asks if it if just No Child Left Behind dollars that might be lost or all federal dollars.

 

 

 

307

Castillo

Responds that there are other dollars at risk, including Title 1 dollars.

 

 

 

313

Rep. Verger

Discusses views on federal mandates, the CIM and CAM, and the suggestions on raising revenues. Asks how the school community will demonstrate to the public that they are willing to share in the pain of the current situation.

 

 

 

391

Castillo

Responds that teachers are already making these sacrifices, such as in Portland where the teachers have agreed to work for free for 10 days. States that the burden should not just be placed on the teacherís backs.

TAPE 94, SIDE A

 

009

Rep. Verger

Agrees that it should not be placed on the teacherís backs, but that the perceptions of the public need to be considered.

 

 

 

025

Rep. Berger

Asks if Castillo has any thought on how to change peopleís perceptions on the money spent on schools.

 

 

 

044

Castillo

Responds that they need to be giving the public better information on how the money is spent and discusses the Business Associationís communications campaign on the success of the public school system.

 

 

 

081

Rep. Berger

Cautions that we need to inform the pubic on the successful students rather than the ones who donít succeed.

 

 

 

091

Rep. Shetterly

Agrees that we need to give a message that the school system is a winner, but also states that we need to give a message that they are facing challenges that threaten that success.

 

 

 

144

Rep. Hopson

Expresses concern that a PR campaign may have worked a few years ago, but that since people are only hearing about the crisis that schools are in they are going to be less likely to want to invest.

 

 

 

186

Rep. Scott

Disagrees that adding additional money to the budget would go to the schools and discusses things that need to be changed in the schools, such as PERS and healthcare. Disagrees with the suggestions to raise revenue.

 

 

 

224

Rep. Farr

Discusses the education background of members of the committee and expresses that the comments and suggestions given by Castillo are in good hands.

 

 

 

245

Castillo

Discusses a student advisory committee that was recently formed and suggests that the student committee testify before the revenue committee about funding issues.

 

 

 

280

Brian Reeder

Introduces study performed by the Department of Education on small schools. Discusses the charge of the legislature in doing the study (Exhibit 2).

 

 

 

310

Reeder

Discusses the objectives and approach of the study.

 

 

 

390

Reeder

Discusses the relationship between high school size and cost per student.

 

TAPE 93, SIDE B

 

006

Rep. Hopson

Asks if the cost per student would be even higher if the transportation costs were factored in.

 

 

 

008

Reeder

Responds affirmatively and explains that they took out the transportation costs in order to effectively look at school size rather than geographic location.

 

 

 

019

Hopson

Asks about money from ESDís.

 

 

 

025

Reeder

Responds that all money from ESDís is included in the study except for administration costs.

 

 

 

034

Reeder

Discusses the relationship between elementary school size and cost per student.

 

 

 

043

Rep. Verger

Points out that many schools are combining to include more students.

 

 

 

051

Reeder

Explains that combined schools were not included in the study.

 

 

 

062

Reeder

Discusses the finding relating to if small school correction is working.

 

Questions and answers follow.

 

 

 

118

Rep. Hopson

Asks if boarding costs were included in transportation costs.

 

 

 

121

Reeder

Responds that they reimburse schools for boarding costs as transportation costs and points out that those schools were not included in the study.

 

 

 

136

Reeder

Discusses the independent affect of district size on per student costs.

 

 

 

174

Rep. Shetterly

Asks how many school districts fall below the recommended size.

 

 

 

179

Reeder

Responds that there are a lot.

 

 

 

240

Reeder

Introduces the study done by the Department of Education on Education Service Districts (Exhibit 3). Discusses the legislative charge of the study.

 

 

 

262

Reeder

Discusses the approach of the study.

 

 

 

289

Reeder

Discusses the findings of the study.

 

 

 

346

Rep. Verger

Asks why they were looking at 1999-2000 data.

 

 

 

347

Reeder

Responds that it was the latest available data when they began the study.

 

 

 

358

Reeder

Discusses the inequities among ESDís.

 

Discussion follows.

 

 

 

452

Rep. Shetterly

Adjourns meeting at 11:00 am.

 

 

 

 

Tape Log Submitted by,

 

 

 

Tara Lantz, Committee Assistant

 

Exhibit Summary:

1.       Susan Castillo, Written Testimony, 5pp.

2.       Brian Reeder, The Costs of Operating Small Schools in Oregon, 38pp.

3.       Brian Reeder, An Evaluation of Education Service District and School District Services in Oregon, 98pp.