WORK SESSION HB 2267   

 

TAPE 190 AB, 191 A

 

HOUSE REVENUE COMMITTEE

JUNE 25, 2003   9:30 AM   STATE CAPITOL BUILDING

 

Members Present:                        Representative Lane Shetterly, Chair

                                                Representative Wayne Scott, Vice Chair

                                                Representative Joanne Verger, Vice Chair

                                                Representative Phil Barnhart

                                                Representative Vicki Berger

                                                Representative Pat Farr

                                                Representative Mark Hass

                                                Representative Elaine Hopson

                                                Representative Max Williams                                               

 

Witness Present:                        Scott West, Oregon Lodging Association

                                                Bill Perry, Oregon Restauraunt Association

                                                Joe D’Alessandro, Portland, Oregon Visitor’s Association,

                                                            Oregon Tourism Commission

                                                Pat Egan, Governor’s Office

                                                Inge Deckert, Department of Treasury

 

Staff Present:                            Paul Warner, Legislative Revenue Officer

                                                Richard Yates, Legislative Revenue Office

                                                Kathy Tooley, Committee Assistant

 

TAPE 190, SIDE A

 

004

Chair Shetterly

Calls meeting to order at 9:38 a.m.

 

OPENED WORK SESSION HB 2267

 

009

Richard Yates

Provided summary of HB 2267, (Exhibit 1); Staff Measure Summary HB 2267, (Exhibit 2); Revenue Impact Statement HB 2267, (Exhibit 3).   Referred to -7, (Exhibit 4); -9, (Exhibit 5); -10, (Exhibit 6); -11, (Exhibit 7); -and 12, (Exhibit 8) amendments.  Described HB 2267 and amendments generally.

 

060

Scott West

Spoke in support of -9 amendments as a significant move on the part of the tourism industry.  Paraphrased written testimony, (Exhibit 9).

 

134

Bill Perry

Spoke in support of -9 amendments, as one of three priority issues for the restaurant industry; creates ability for local governments to benefit from a new state tourism package.

 

152

Joe D’Alessandro

Spoke in support of -9 amendments as it would help Oregon’s economy and provide a jumpstart to help market Oregon, creating jobs and revenue.  The bill represents a significant compromise.

 

162

Rep. Verger

Regarding budget oversight, said “the remainder of budget is not subject to review and approval by the Legislative Assembly or to future modifications by the Emergency Board or Legislative Assembly”.  In your presentation you say the entire budget will be submitted to the Governor, are those two things compatible; is that correct?

 

171

Scott West

The bill directs itself to those specific issues with regard to room tax dollars.  As to oversight, the bill does require the entire Tourism Commission budget to be supplied to the Governor for review.

 

176

Rep. Verger

In reference to “the remainder of the budget”, which of these things does that refer to in the presentation that would be submitted to the Governor?

 

137

West

Asked for specific recitation to which Rep. Verger was referring.

 

182

Rep. Verger

It says “that portion of the budget that is funded by appropriations from the general fund or by allocations of lottery funds is subject to review and approval by the Legislative Assembly”.  Outside of that are other funds, not subject to review? Identify those.

 

190

West

Specifically talking about room tax dollars which go to Revenue, Treasury, and to the tourism account itself.  Those are in the bill and -9 amendments and are continually appropriated.  Lottery, general fund dollars and, private partnership account dollars would go to the Commission itself, and would go through the Ways and Means process.

 

198

Chair Shetterly

In the language of the bill, “the remainder of the budget”, if not exclusively, is primarily the transient lodging tax revenue?

 

200

West

Answered affirmatively.

 

201

Rep. Verger

In the original bill the Commission is made up of a nine member board.  There was something about geographical balance, is that still in the bill?

 

206

West

There is no specific regional allocation in the language now.

 

212

Rep. Williams

Regarding budget components and legislative oversight, the Legislature’s current control over lottery moneys and general fund revenue would continue. The portion generated by the room tax would be directly appropriated to the tourism account and the Legislature would not have any control over that money?

 

222

West

Answered affirmatively.

 

223

Rep. Williams

The Governor would have an opportunity to review that budget; what would his powers be, short of removal of commission members if the Governor did not approve of how money was spent?  That is the governor’s only approach as to review or control of resources?

 

227

West

That would be one, not certain of others.

 

230

Rep. Williams

In the original bill, the language would focus the ability to use the money in a manner that was for “primary purpose”; there was a distance requirement; is that still in the bill?

 

240

Chair Shetterly

Fifty miles.

 

241

West

Yes, it is, in the definition of tourist, an overnight stay of 50 miles one way trip, which is a standard tourism definition.

 

246

D’Alessandro

It is the current statute language; that has not changed.

 

250

Rep. Williams

Regarding money from the tourism account being placed with a regional or statewide organization, what kind of regional organizations would receive those resources?

 

258

West

There are destination marketing organizations that represent the state for specific regions, including: The Portland Oregon Visitors Association; the Central Oregon Visitors Association; Eastern Oregon Visitors Association, Southern Oregon Visitors Association. The language intended to create a framework for regional entities to leverage themselves and create a plan to bring new business to the region through this grant program.

 

278

Rep. Williams

Is this only talking about these regional combined organizations such as the Washington County Visitors Bureau? Or does it expand to include other kinds of organizations?

 

285

West

The language is broad enough that it doesn’t name entities, but that there will be a regional purpose.  The purpose is a regional cooperative effort to bring out of state or international travelers to the community. Described other visitor associations. No entity is specifically addressed; believes the market will determine who and what the plan will be.

 

315

D’Alessandro

It allows flexibility for multiple regions to come together and market a specific issue such as Lewis and Clark Bicentennial or Oregon Trails Sesquicentennial.

 

322

Rep. Berger

Had issue in -9 amendments with the governance piece.  Lodging industry includes 5 members, from the broader tourism industry 3 members; concerned the language says 3 members drawn from the travel agency, tour operators, private transportation, restaurants, hotels, motels, resorts, bed and breakfast facilities, inns which are all lodging industry.  Uncomfortable that it could be 8 members from the lodging industry.

 

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West

That is possible, but not the intent of the industry.  Up to the Governor to make the appointments, which would ideally include a broad-based representative group.

 

358

Rep. Hopson

Asked for clarification on tourism-related facility, would it cover convention centers, and a facility for major league baseball?

 

366

West

Answered affirmatively with regard to the convention centers and this is delineated clearly in the language. As regards the baseball stadium, did not have an answer. Would suggest 70/30 split for incremental increases. In the future a local jurisdiction could allocate up to 30% to a facility or purpose of their choice.

 

382

Chair Shetterly

To clarify for the record, a definition of tourism related facility means conference center, convention center, visitor’s information center, or other improved real property. Qualifiers include a useful life of 10 or more years and a primary purpose of supporting or accommodating tourist activities.  Are you saying the useful life of 10 or more years and primary purpose qualifier only applies to other improved real property and does not limit the application of tourism related facility to conference center, convention center or visitor information center?

 

397

West

Regarding the definitions of conference center and convention center, there is some delineation on thresholds and the visitor information center issues that is already in statute.

 

397

Chair Shetterly

To clarify for the record, a useful life of 10 years and primary purpose qualifier doesn’t serve to limit what otherwise are the categorical inclusions of conference, convention and visitor information centers; is that correct?

 

411

Scott

Answered affirmatively.

 

357

Rep. Barnhart

Could you parse that for us, does not read the bill the same way.  Concerned with word “primary” and illustrated concern with examples of tourism agencies which are used by the neighborhood within 50 miles.  Need to know how the word “primary” would not limit the use of funds for functions that are not primarily tourist facilities.

 

446

West

Facilities that are in place are funded by existing revenues and it is up to the local jurisdiction.

 

453

Rep. Barnhart

Asked about phrasing “other facilities like that”.

 

454

West

With regard to specific issue on conference, information and visitor centers, in the existing statutes there are thresholds.

 

462

Rep. Barnhart

Asked for thresholds to be pointed out and define what local governments can spend their funds on.  Had problem with hooking those things together.

 

470

West

Directed attention to specific locations in the original bill for delineation of a conference center; and convention center.

 

488

Chair Shetterly

That’s all current?

 

490

West

Answered affirmatively.

 

491

Chair Shetterly

The issue is how to move those definitions into lines 2-5 of the -9 amendments; and does that further limit spending on these defined assets in the -9s.  West regards them as categorical; Rep. Barnhart does not see that in the way the bill is drafted.

 

 

TAPE 191, SIDE A

 

035

West

Categorical conditions and any other facility that would have a useful life that meets the threshold and primary purpose is supporting tourism.  Although not delineated, the idea is that the definition is there for the purpose of allowing other types of opportunities as long as they meet that “primary purpose” threshold.

 

044

Chair Shetterly

Provided suggestions to clarify qualifiers and provide a categorical definition in the -9 amendment.

 

054

West

Answered affirmatively.

 

060

 

Discussion regarding clarification and qualifiers.

 

067

Rep. Scott

Question regarding retroactivity date and the change, some areas passed it but didn’t enact until after January 1, 2003. Specifically what areas are they?

 

070

West

The Dalles is one, there were issues in the Central Oregon area, the -9 allows those to take place.

 

082

Pat Egan

Paraphrased written testimony including a table delineating the -7 amendments, which is now the -10 with minor changes, (Exhibit 9).  Noted the Cities and Counties have agreed on -7, and potentially the -10 amendments, as to percentages and additional items.

 

113

Egan

Provided and paraphrased 5 principles translated with -7 and -10 amendments, original bill and current law, (Exhibit 9, Page 3).

 

126

Egan

Important to note intent for the record, all sides agree to the dedication of the 1% tax to tourism element.

 

195

Rep. Barnhart

The amendment was proposed because it is believed to be a fair compromise of the issues that -7 raises?

 

210

Egan

Nothing precise or magic about some of the individual elements, but it strikes a fair balance and provides predictability for the industry, and preserves flexibility for local governments.

 

219

Rep. Barnhart

What’s the Governor’s comfort level as to accountability and oversight contained in the industry proposal in the -9 amendments?

 

222

Egan

Asked for clarification oversight as to what?

 

224

Rep. Barnhart

Budget accountability and oversight.

 

226

Egan

The question of legislative oversight is for you rather than for the Governor. It is important to have legislative buy-in and ownership in the expenditure of dollars for the dedicated 1% so future legislatures don’t decide to take the money for something else.

 

243

Rep. Scott

The primary difference between the -7 and -9 amendments is the percentages and what they are allocated for. In your opinion, if the -9 were to come with a correction, would the Governor sign 70/30?

 

253

Egan

The bill was pre-session filed with a degree of enthusiasm to increase tourism spending. Concern at that time about individual elements including preemption.  The core benefit from this legislation is the 1% and marketing of Oregon’s assets.  Tried to strike balance at 60/40.  Have not asked the Governor that particular question.  Does believe if it came to Governor in that form, it would likely be signed. He is reserving judgment based on what may happen in the Senate and what this Committee might do.

 

286

Rep. Farr

Looking at the differences between the -7 and -9, in the 60/40, 70/30 calculation there is not a great deal of difference.  For the City of Florence it would mean about $1000 a year.  Concerned with the retroactivity principle.  Do you have insight as to how many jurisdictions throughout the state are affected by that?

 

297

Egan

Would defer to League of Oregon Cities and Counties, who might have a better sense of that.  A couple of jurisdictions have implemented a new local transient lodging tax that might be impacted. Did not know specific jurisdictions.

 

292

Rep. Berger

Asked if the Governor’s has concerns with the make up of the commission as to whether lodging is represented among the “3 members”.

 

314

Egan

The Governor’s feeling on all boards and commissions is the need for broad expertise, would be more comfortable with -7 amendments. It is for the Legislature to consider what might be the feelings of a different Governor.  Noted there is still Senate confirmation of appointees as a degree of Legislative representation and inquiry still available.

 

337

Rep. Verger

Disappointed that there are 2 sets of amendments, hoped there would have been a compromise. Sees the two amendments differently; and more than 60/40, 70/30. Representation of various regions of the state is an extremely important issue. Can you point out other strong feelings?

 

357

Egan

Would have preferred one set of amendments.  Regarding the differences between the two amendments, would leave to the table he provided.  Noted distinctions between implementation date, and retroactivity; and minimal differences in the appointment process.   The major difference is in the percentages and definition of tourism-related facility.  The original bill and current statute does not have “primary” in it.

 

387

Inge Deckert

Identified a small technical amendment on page 4 of the original bill, section 8, line 28.  It would replace the word “State Treasurer” with “Department”.

 

398

Yates

Spoke with Dexter Johnson, of Legislative Counsel, who believes “State Treasurer” is appropriate. The preferred amendment would be to delete everything after “transferred”.  Delete who is doing the transferring so it would read “transferred to the Oregon Tourism Fund?

 

400

Chair Shetterly

Would you be happy with that?

 

409

Deckert

Clarified who actually does the transferring better than naming Treasury.  Said Treasury operates as a bank for state agencies and does not transfer money on its own initiative, but at the direction of state agencies.

 

402

Egan

Notes -7 and -9 still preserve in the appointment process that the Governor shall take into consideration appointing members representing the state’s various regions and areas of tourism activity on page 4 of the -7 and -9.

 

448

Chair Shetterly

Meeting recessed at 10:25 a.m.

 

 

 

 

TAPE 190, SIDE B

 

011

Chair Shetterly

Meeting reconvened at 12:35 p.m.

 

012

Chair Shetterly

Meeting adjourned at 12:36 a.m.

 

 

Tape Log Submitted by,

 

 

 

Kathy Tooley, Committee Assistant

 

Exhibit Summary:

1.       Yates, “HB 2267” 1 page

2.       Yates, “Staff Measure Summary HB 2267”, 1 page

3.       Yates, “Revenue Impact Statement HB 2267, 1 page”

4.       Yates, “HB 2267-7 Amendments”, 7 pages

5.       Yates, “HB 2267-9 Amendments”, 7 pages

6.       Yates, “HB 2267-10 Amendments”, 8 pages

7.       Yates, “HB 2267-11 Amendments”, 8 pages

8.       Yates, “HB 2267-12 Amendments”, 7 pages

9.       West, “Testimony HB 2267-9”, 1 page

10.   Egan, “Testimony HB 2267”, 3 pages

11.   Riddell, “HB 2267 Correction of Testimony”, 1 page

12.   Huntington, “Testimony HB 2267”, 1 page

13.   Westlund, “Testimony HB 2267”, 1 page