HOUSE COMMITTEE ON RULES AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS

 

March 13, 2003   Hearing Room E

1:00 PM  Tapes 23 - 24

Corrected Copy

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Dan Doyle, Chair

Rep. Linda Flores, Vice-Chair

Rep. Laurie Monnes Anderson, Vice Chair

Rep. Vic Backlund

Rep. Phil Barnhart

Rep. Betsy L. Close

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:            Rep. Joanne Verger

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Cara Filsinger, Administrator

Annetta Mullins, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:             HB 2929 – Public Hearing

HB 2813 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2827 – Public Hearing

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

Tape 23, A

004

Chair Doyle

Calls meeting to order at 1:16 p.m. and announces order of hearings.

014

Chair Doyle

Opens a public hearing on HB 2929.

HB 2929 – PUBLIC  HEARING

018

Donna Butler

Certified Public Accountant.  Submits prepared statement (EXHIBIT A) and shows volumes of papers filed for campaigns.  Suggests that the committee should form a work group and decide what needs to be recorded. 

072

Butler

Comments on publications, retention of files by Secretary of State, and types and format of contribution reports.

120

Butler

Continues to explains reasons for changing the reporting system.

183

Rep. Monnes Anderson

Asks to talk about Section 8 and how the fees would work.

 

Butler

Responds that Section 8 needs a lot of work.  Explains process of checking reports for details by the Secretary of State’s office.

230

Butler

Comments on necessity to file a complaint in order to have a correction made. 

250

Rep. Monnes Anderson

Comments on Section 8 and the complaint process.

 

Butler

Agrees with points made by Rep. Monnes Anderson and comments on timeframe for filing a complaint and the need to have procedures for audits of reports.

 

Butler

Comments on fees to finance the audit process. 

289

Rep. Close

Asks what the costs is for filing the contribution and expenditure reports, and how many people do their own reports.

 

Butler

Responds she discourages candidates from filing their own reports because the risk is too high.  Comments on types of reports she does for committees and individuals and estimated costs.

360

Chair Doyle

Enters into committee record statement from Secretary of State Bill Bradbury in opposition to HB 2929 (EXHIBIT B). 

 

Norman Turrill

League of Women Voters.  Presents prepared statement in opposition to HB 2929 (EXHIBIT C).

TAPE 24, A

020

Andi Miller

Common Cause.  Presents prepared statement in opposition to HB 2929 (EXHIBIT D).

048

Janice Thompson

Money In Politics Research Action Project (MIPRAP).  Testifies in opposition to HB 2929 as it is written, except the provision for covering up signatures on reports that are put on the web site.  Concerned about the change in evaluation of the contributions and expenditures report; it is much more appropriate to have an impartial review with clear timeline, standards, and consequences rather than the reactive complaint driven process. 

097

Thompson

Comments on errors and fines, the complaint process, and itemizing information.  Present analysis of the current level of disclosure and disclosure under HB 2929.  States that the increase from $50 to $200 is too much.

190

Chair Doyle

Appoints a work group for the purpose of resolving the issues in HB 2929 with instructions to report back the first part of May.  Members are: Rep. Doyle, Chair; Rep. Gary Hansen, Morgan Alan, Troy Nichols, Susan Matthews, Donna Butler, Fred Neal and Tom Gallagher, representing the Oregon Newspaper Association..

 

 

Closes public hearing on HB 2929 and opens a public hearing on HB 2813.

HB 2813 – PUBLIC HEARING

221

Cara Filsinger

Administrator.  Introduces letter from John Ingram in support of HB 2813 (EXHIBIT E) and an email submitted by Mike Balanesi (EXHIBIT F).

 

Rep. Betsy L. Close

District 15.  Presents a prepared statement in support of HB 2813 (EXHIBIT G). 

287

Rep. Monnes Anderson

Thanks Rep. Close for bringing the bill and comments on the few votes that determined elections.

306

Bill Bradbury

Secretary of State.  Testifies in opposition to HB 2813 (EXHIBIT H).  

404

Rep. Flores

Asks if mail-in voter registrations must include proof of citizenship.

 

Bradbury

Responds  that the U. S. Senate has inserted language in a recent election reform bill that requires some proof, not just a birth certificate or passport or proof of citizenship; it would say a person can show they live here.

436

Rep. Monnes Anderson

Asks what research has been done that shows non-citizens are not voting.

450

Bradbury

Responds that the election system is compliant driven and there are not a significant number of complains so they have no evidence there is a serious problem.

TAPE 23, B

009

Rep. Monnes Anderson

Asks if a requirement for a passport or driver license would be a significant barrier.

 

Bradbury

Comments on federal requirements of what is proof that a person is a resident.

030

Sen. Bruce Starr

District 15.  Testifies in  support HB 2813.  States that the challenge is the devil in the details and urges the committee to figure out what can work. 

HB 2827 – PUBLIC HEAIRNG

050

Sen. Bruce Starr

District 15.  Testifies in support of  HB 2827.  HB 2827 protects the integrity of our election system and process.  Comments on Washington County preparing ballots for the counting machine.  States that this would be one small improvement to protect the integrity of the voting process.

085

Rep. Flores

Asks what types of responses he has had from his constituents about the two measures.

 

Sen. B. Starr

Responds that the concern is opening up the system to abuse.

110

Jim Ludwick

Resident of McMinnville.  Testifies in support of HB 2813.  Comments on conversations in which people could not believe proof of citizenship is not required. 

158

Chair Doyle

Opens a public hearing on HB 2827 simultaneously with HB 2813.

HB 2813 AND HB 2827 – PUBLIC HEARINGS

165

Don McIntire

Testifies in support of HB 2813.  States that he does not believe requiring a passport or birth certificate is unconstitutional.

 

Don McIntire

Testifies in support of HB 2827.  Comments on campaigning door to door and finding that ballots were delivered to addresses when people no longer lived there, and opened ballots sitting on tables for seven days before being counted.  Proposes that ballots be opened on the same day they are counted.  

255

Mike Balanesi

Resident of Yamhill County.  Testifies in support of HB 2813 (EXHIBIT I) and HB 2827 (EXHIBIT J).

371

Ruth Bendl

Submits list of interested persons and asks that they be notified of future hearings earlier (EXHIBIT K).  Testifies in support of HB 2813 (EXHIBIT L).

TAPE 24, B

010

Bendl

Continues comments in support of HB 2813 (EXHIBIT L).

031

Bendl

Testifies in support of HB 2827 (EXHIBIT M).

053

Balanesi

Suggests that only one envelope be used in the mailing of ballots.

 

 

 

076

Paula Krane

League of Women Voters.  Testifies in opposition to HB 2813 (EXHIBIT N).

119

Paula Krane

League of Women Voters.  Testifies in opposition to HB 2827 (EXHIBIT O). 

135

Kelly Taylor

Oregon Department of Transportation (ODOT).  Reports they have prepared a fiscal and they believe there would be fewer forms sent by ODOT. Cost is about $60,000, one FTE.

157

Peter Dane

Salem resident.  Testifies in support of HB 2813 (EXHIBIT P). 

192

Annette Newingham

Lane County Clerk and representing the Oregon Association of County Clerks.  Testifies in opposition to HB 2827 (EXHIBIT Q).

259

Ginny Kingsley

Washington County Elections Manger.  States that she concurs with the testimony by Newingham.  Comments on security of opened ballots prior to being counted.  

274

Rep. Close

Comments on poll election results being available in one day and now they need five days.  Asks if the poll elections were cheaper and faster.

 

Newingham

Responds poll elections were not cheaper.  Comments on time to count absentee ballots when there were poll elections.

292

Rep. Close

Asks if the savings from  mailing ballots could be used to buy machines to open envelopes. 

 

Newingham

Responds that she does not know if the $100,000 is enough to hire and train sufficient staff. 

 

Cara Filsinger

Administrator. Notes prepared statements received by the committee from Al Davidson, Marion County (EXHIBIT R) and John Kauffman, Multnomah County (EXHIBIT S) in opposition to Section 1 of HB 2827.

 

Steve Druckenmiller

Linn County Clerk.  Speaks in support of HB 2813. States he does not believe there has been a problem in Linn County.  States that the bigger issue is the integrity of elections.  Supports testimony of  other county clerks in opposition to HB 2827.

357

Rep. Close

Asks what opening one envelope, instead of two, on election day would do to their workload.

 

Druckenmiller

Comments on having one envelope previously and that complaints resulted in the secrecy envelope.  States he does not think it would add much to their time because their time is spent accounting for every single ballot.  Comments that the scan takes as much or more time than punch cards.

383

Rep. Close

Comments on illegible signatures and asks if the ballot can be identified if it is separated from the outer envelope.

 

Drukenmiller

Responds that once the envelops are separated, there is no way to tie the ballot back to anybody.

402

Chair Doyle

Adjourns meeting at 3:08 p.m.

 

 

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2929, prepared statement, Donna Butler, 13 pp

B – HB 2929, prepared statement, Bill Bradbury, 2 pp

C – HB 2929, prepared statement, Norman Terrill, 1 p

D – HB 2929, prepared statement, Andi Miller, 1 p

E – HB 2913, prepared statement, John Ingram, 2 pp

F – HB 2813, e-mail, Mike Balanesi, 1 p

G – HB 2813, prepared statement, Rep. Close, 2 pp

H – HB 2813, prepared statement, Bill Bradbury, 2 pp

I – HB 2813, prepared statement, Mike Balanesi, 1 p

J – HB 2827, prepared statement, Mike Balanesi, 1 p

K – HB 2813 and HB 2827, memo and signatures, Ruth Bendl, 8 pp

L – HB 2813, prepared statement, Ruth Bendl, 1 p

M – HB 2827, prepared statement, Ruth Bendl, 1 p

N – HB 2813, prepared statement, Paula Krane, 1 p

O – HB 2827, prepared statement, Paula Krane, 1 p

P – HB 2813, prepared statement, Peter Dane, 1 p

Q – HB 2827, prepared statement, Annette Newingham, 3 pp

R – HB 2827, prepared statement, Al Davidson, 2 pp

S – HB 2827, prepared statement, John Kauffman, 1 p