HOUSE COMMITTEE ON RULES AND PUBLIC AFFAIRS
May 08, 2003 Hearing Room E
1:00 PM Tapes 56 - 57
MEMBERS PRESENT: Rep. Dan Doyle, Chair
Rep. Linda Flores, Vice-Chair
Rep. Laurie Monnes Anderson, Vice Chair
Rep. Vic Backlund
Rep. Phil Barnhart
Rep. Betsy L. Close
Rep. Joanne Verger
STAFF PRESENT: Cara
Filsinger, Administrator
Annetta Mullins, Committee Assistant
MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD: HB 3631 – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 137 A – Public Hearing and Work Session
SB 457 A – Public hearing and Work Session
HB 2144 – Work Session
These minutes are in
compliance with Senate and House Rules.
Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact
words. For complete contents,
please refer to the tapes.
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TAPE/# |
Speaker |
Comments |
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Tape 56, A |
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004 |
Chair Doyle |
Calls meeting to order at 1:06 p.m., announces order
agenda items will be considered, and opens a public hearing on HB 3631. |
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HB 3631
– PUBLIC HEARING |
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015 |
Rep. Bill Garrard |
District 56.
Testifies in support of HB 3631. Explains that the purpose of the bill is to right a wrong. Explains that the House Environment and
Land Use Committee tried but failed with the Forest Park bill to restore the
rights of a landowner. |
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033 |
Dave Hunnicutt |
Oregonians in Action. Asks that Mrs. English be allowed to testify first. |
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Dorothy English |
Resident of Forest Park. Explains events of improving 40 acres of land purchased in
1953. Describes geographic layout of
property and their intent to be able to give homesteads to their grandchildren,
the intrusion of Land Conservation and Development Commission (LCDC), and her
payment of annual taxes when due. |
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072 |
Hunnicutt |
Testifies in support of HB 3631. First three sections deal with Forest Park
and the area around Forest Park and create a Goal 5 designation for Forest
Park and the surrounding area. Goal 5 is LCDC’s natural resources goal. LCDC requires cities and counties to map
areas and declare those areas as significant resource sites for open spaces,
scenic views, wildlife habitat, or aggregate. This bill does not do that; it indicates the area is a
significant resource site. Section
2(3) is permissive; it says the cities and counties and the regional
government can determine the boundaries of this area, prepared summaries,
adopt ordinance requirements to protect the area. |
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114 |
Hunnicutt |
States that most if not all of the property around
Forest Park has Goal 5 overlay zones.
The first three sections of the bill do what is being done in the area
now. |
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119 |
Hunnicutt |
States Section 4 of the bill rights a wrong spoken
to by Rep. Garrard. |
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130 |
Hunnicutt |
Comments on arguments against changing Oregon land
use system. |
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146 |
Hunnicutt |
States they have tried to draft a bill that deals
with Mrs. English’s property and would be willing to expand the bill to cover
other problems. |
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162 |
Hunnicutt |
States there are two reasons they are before the
legislature instead of Multnomah County.
Mrs. English is in forest zone and he does not believe they could get
an exception to get it out of Goal 4.
It is a rural residential area and does not believe Multnomah County
can do anything to help Mrs. English.
The second reason is the 1993 statute limits parcel sizes in forest
zones to 80 acres. State statute,
Multnomah County ordinance, and LCDC prohibit her from dividing her property. The HB 3631-1 amendments (EXHIBIT A) further narrows who would
be entitled to relief. |
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217 |
Rep. Barnhart |
Asks if there is a physical connection between the
land in question and Forest Park. |
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221 |
English |
Explains her land is near, but not against Forest
Park. |
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Hunnicutt |
Section 2 of HB 3631 also applies to wildlife
corridors. Comments there are elk and
deer on Ms. English’s property. |
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237 |
Rep. Garrard |
Comments that Ms. English is 91 years old. |
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English |
States they have always been in the wildlife
corridor. |
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262 |
Randy Tucker |
1000 Friends of Oregon. Testifies in opposition to HB 3631. States they do not have a position on Sections 1-3 relating to
Forest Park, but do oppose Section 4 for two reasons. It undermines Oregon’s land use program. Believes the legislature should set broad
policy instead of reaching down to individual properties. The concerns about Section 4; is that they
believe it is clear the language was drafted with one landowner in mind. Comments on divisions and sell offs of
parts of the original land purchase by English. |
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313 |
Susan Muir |
Interim Planning Director, Multnomah County Land Use
and Transportation Section, representing the Multnomah County Commission. Testifies in opposition to Section 4 of HB
3631 (EXHIBIT B). |
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347 |
Rep. Verger |
Asks Muir to verify that if a person bought property
in 1955 and it was in any category, that category would never change nor
would there ever be an exception taken to the category. |
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354 |
Muir |
States there are processes to allow exceptions if
certain criteria are met. |
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Rep. Verger |
Asks if the property owner has tried to get an
exception to Goal 4. |
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Muir |
Responds she does not believe so. |
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377 |
Rep. Verger |
Asks if the Multnomah County has offered to assist
this property owner in trying to get an exception to Goal 4. |
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Muir |
Comments on review of the area and decision to not change
the zoning of the property at that time;
they did mailed notice to all the property owners to get them into the
process. |
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399 |
Doug Riggs |
Representing Metro.
Comments they had requested an amendment on page 2, Section 3 to
revised lines 21-23. It was never submitted
for drafting and therefore they cannot support the bill as written. They believe the precedent that would be
set in lines 21 and 22 would be terrible.
Metro has consistently opposed bills that would force local
governments to bring land into the urban growth boundary (UGB). States that Rep. Greenlick and OIA have
agreed to the amendment. States there
is a commitment to fix the bill in the Senate and he looks forward to working
with the sponsors of the bill. |
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TAPE 57, A |
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Hunnicutt |
Comments they would not oppose Metro’s amendment and
will support it on the Senate side.
Comments on area being rural residential with mostly 20-acre parcels
and no commercial forest activities in the area. States Mrs. English has been involved all along in the process
but she would not qualify for an exception to Goal 4 because it was zoned the
day the Multnomah County Comprehensive Plan was adopted. Under Goal 4, it will always be zoned Goal
4. |
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Rep. Verger |
Asks if there are any exceptions to Goal 4. |
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Hunnicutt |
Comments on working with Deschutes County and
amendment of their comprehensive plan that was then acknowledgment by LCDC. Multnomah County has not amended it
comprehensive plan. |
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048 |
Chair Doyle |
Closes the public hearing on HB 3631 and asks
committee to stand at ease at 1:37 p.m. |
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053 |
Chair Doyle |
Reconvenes the meeting at 1:39 p.m. and opens a
public hearing on SB 457 A. |
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SB 457
A – PUBLIC ;HEARING |
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052 |
Sen. Richard Devlin |
District 19.
Testifies in support of SB 457 A. Reviews the provisions of the bill
and explains that all municipal corporations are required to be audited and
reviewed at least once each calendar or fiscal year. Municipal corporations are exempt from the
audits if they meet the requirements in ORS 297.435; they are only subject to
providing a financial statement to the Secretary of State. Explains that Rivergrove, Oregon, population
320, meets these requirements and submits yearly financial statements to the
Secretary of State. The statute
provides that municipal corporations can be subject to a municipal audit if a
petition is signed by 10 residents who are subject to the taxes, fees,
assessments or other charges levied by the municipality. The costs of the
audit are incurred by the municipality. |
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Sen. Devlin |
Explains that for the past three years a Washington
developer has battled Rivergrove over land use ordinances, claiming the city
has no authority to require development permits for such things as
construction of a one-fourth mile sewer line, an 800 foot long rock and steel
wall, excavation of hundreds of yards of fill in a flood plain, installation
of a power pole to serve a non-permitted mobile home, removal of 30-year old
fences, and encroachment on a neighbor’s land with fences that re 15 feet
high. The developer told the city
three years ago that he had a one-quarter million dollar legal budget which
he intended to use to bankrupt the city.
The general fund for the city of Rivergrove last year was less than
$30,000. |
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091 |
Sen. Devlin |
Comments on lawsuits by the developer against the
city and the inability of the city to collect the attorney fees from the
developer. |
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103 |
Sen. Devlin |
Stats that the bill will not impact the audit that
is under way, but they decided to modify the law to provide relief for the
city of Rivergrove. States that the
Secretary of State’s office is neutral on the bill and the League of Oregon
Cities is strongly in favor. Increasing
the number of signatures will not prohibit the citizens from seeking an
annual audit if they wish to do so.
It will make the annual audit process a requirement for a city that is
this small truly reflective of the original intent. |
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125 |
Sen. Devlin |
Explains they chose the numbers in the bill because
they looked at the municipal corporations, particularly cities, and it seemed
like a natural cutoff point and easier to administer as opposed to giving a
percentage of residents. |
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139 |
Richard Barrett |
Mayor of Rivergrove. Comments on the city prevailing over the defendant in many
court cases and before LUBA. The
defendant has appealed a decision to the Appellate Court. Comments that the developer will not win
but it will cost the city a lot of money.
The defendant has also put the city on notice that he is going to hit
the city for an 11 count tort suit for violation of federal civil
rights. The city budget is $28,000
and they have no money for continued audits.
Believes the audits should be reasonable. They do not believe the individual can convince 30 people to
audit their city. |
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189 |
Michelle Deister |
League of Oregon Cities. Testifies in support of SB 457 A (EXHBIIT C). |
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Rep. Verger |
Asks if there is a nuisance law or if someone can
actually put a city through that kind of expense. |
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208 |
Chair Doyle |
Responds he is not aware of any mechanism a city
would have to avoid such actions.
Comments that Rivergrove keeps getting their attorney fees awarded but
the person doesn’t payoff. |
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213 |
Chair Doyle |
Closes the public hearing and opens work session on
SB 457 |
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SB 457
A – WORK SESSION |
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214 |
Rep.
Flores |
MOTION: Moves SB 457 A to the floor with a DO PASS
recommendation. |
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225 |
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VOTE:
6-0-1 (SEE TAPE 57A AT 195) AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 - Rep. Close |
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Chair Doyle |
The motion CARRIES. REP. MILLER will lead discussion on
the floor. |
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230 |
Chair Doyle |
Closes the work session on SB 457 A and opens a public
hearing on SB 137 A. |
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SB 137
A – PUBLIC HEARING |
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215 |
Fred Neal |
Campaign Finance Manager, Oregon Elections Division,
Secretary of State’s office and Voters’ Pamphlet Supervisor. Explains the provisions of SB 137 A. It
allows photographs of candidates to be up to four years old, and Section 2
clarifies the requirement relating to the names and titles of the officers,
organizations, and public officials on statements of endorsement. Submits copies of Statement of Endorsement
form adopted for the 2002 General Election (EXHIBIT D). The bill
also applies the state Statements of Endorsements requirement to county
voters’ pamphlet. |
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282 |
Neal |
Reviews the form (EXHIBIT D). States they
will edit the candidate’s statement or the measure argument to match the
instructions in the box. |
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303 |
Chair Doyle |
Asks Neal to give example of what the problem has
been. |
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Neal |
Comments on situation during a previous
election. |
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339 |
Chair Doyle |
Asks if this would clarify the situation where an
individual is endorsing a candidate or measure as an individual, not as an
official. |
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Neal |
Responds affirmatively. States that an alternative to this bill for the Senate Rules
Committee was to go back to the pre-2001 legislation and not have a
proscription on the candidate changing names and titles on statements of
endorsements. The Senate committee
chose to adopt this clarification. |
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375 |
Rep. Flores |
Asks if the endorsement would be invalidated if the
signature is not as shown in the statement.
Gives example of her signing her middle initial when the statement did
not include her middle initial. |
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Neal |
Responds they would print her name without her
middle initial. |
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400 |
Rep. Barnhart |
Comments on difficulty in filling out the previous
version of the form during his primary campaign. |
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416 |
Chair Doyle |
Closes the public hearing and opens a work session
on SB 137 A. |
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SB 137
A – WORK SESSION |
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423 |
Rep.
Flores |
MOTION: Moves SB 137 A to the floor with a DO PASS
recommendation. |
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424 |
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VOTE:
6-0-1 (SEE TAPE 57 A AT 191) AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye. EXCUSED: 1 - Rep. Verger |
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Chair Doyle |
The motion CARRIES. |
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432 |
Rep. Doyle
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MOTION: Moves SB 137 A be placed on the CONSENT
CALENDAR. |
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432 |
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VOTE:
6-0- EXCUSED: 1 - Rep. Verger |
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Chair Doyle |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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434 |
Chair Doyle |
Closes the work session on SB 137 A and opens a work
session on HB 3631 |
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HB 3631
– WORK SESSION |
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436 |
Dave Hunnicutt |
Oregonians in Action (OIA). Explains the HB 3631-1 amendments (EXHIBIT A), noting criteria to
qualify under the provisions of the bill.
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TAPE 56, B |
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Chair Doyle |
Asks if there is protection to the extent that the
original parcel was larger than 20 or 25 acres. |
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Hunnicutt |
Responds they are referring to the currently owned
lot or parcel, not the one that was purchased in 1953. |
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Rep. Verger |
Asks how they were able to divide and sell off the
first 20 acres. |
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Hunnicutt |
Explains that the state statute that created an
80-acre minimum parcel size was enacted in 1993 and the property was done
prior to that. |
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047 |
Rep. Barnhart |
Ask for an explanation of the language in Section 4
on lines 35-38 on page 2 of the bill.
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Hunnicutt |
Explains it is to frame the ability of a person to
qualify. The HB 3631 amendments would
change “The” to “A”. They would be
able to divide or partition only one parcel.
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Rep. Barnhart |
Comments he does not understand line 35 on page 2 of
the bill. |
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Hunnicutt |
Comments he thinks (a) in line 35 is superfluous. |
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Rep. Barnhart |
Clarifies that (a) applies to the existing
arrangement and (c) is what you end up with after the operation of this bill. |
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Hunnicutt |
States that Rep. Barnhart is correct. |
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101 |
Rep.
Flores |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 3631-1 amendments dated
5/8/03. |
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103 |
Rep. Monnes Anderson |
Comments that she believes in regional planning and
does not like to override the local planning process and will be a no vote. |
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111 |
Rep. Backlund |
Comments that regional planning is very broad and
sometimes things get out of whack and mistakes can be made, and sometimes
there is no place for the landowner to go except the legislature. |
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123 |
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VOTE:
7-0-0 |
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Chair Doyle |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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127 |
Rep.
Flores |
MOTION: Moves HB 3631 to the floor with a DO PASS
AS AMENDED recommendation. |
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133 |
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VOTE:
5-2-0 AYE: 5 - Backlund, Close, Flores, Verger, Doyle NAY: 2 - Barnhart, Monnes Anderson |
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Chair Doyle |
The motion CARRIES. REP. GARRARD will lead discussion on
the floor. |
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135 |
Rep.
Barnhart |
Serves
notice of a possible Minority Report. |
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144 |
Chair Doyle |
Closes the work session on HB 3631 and opens a work
session on HB 2144 |
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HB 2144
– WORK SESSION |
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Chair Doyle |
Reviews previous committee hearing on the bill and
notes that an amendment has been proposed (EXHIBIT E). |
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143 |
Fred Neal |
Comments that the HB 2144-4 amendments adding the
co-chairs of Ways and Means may have raised an issue of
constitutionality. Legislators'
service may be a function that is not judicial. The Secretary of State has no objection. |
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Chair Doyle |
Comments that legislators participate on explanatory
statement committees |
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Neal |
Explains that legislators serve on the committee if
there is a referral or a referendum.
If a legislator happens to be the chief sponsor of a measure, the
Secretary of State would appoint that person if appropriate. Adds that explanatory statement committees
have chosen a legislator rather than a retired judge as the fifth member of
an explanatory statement committee. |
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207 |
Rep. Barnhart |
Asks what the bill does. |
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Chair Doyle |
Advises members the Staff Measure Summary is in
their bill files. |
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Fred Neal |
Explains the purpose of the bill. |
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246 |
Chair Doyle |
Reminds committee of the testimony that used the
ballot measure for genetically engineered foods as an example. |
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259 |
Rep. Close |
Asks if the HB 2144-4 amendments cover all the
concerns. |
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Neal |
Responds affirmatively. Adds that the HB 2144-4 amendments are the same as the HB
2144-3 amendments with the additional amendment to add the co-chairs of Ways
and Means to the committee. |
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290 |
Rep. Close |
Asks what it means to say the committee will be
considering the effects of companion or contingent legislation on the ballot,
and the secondary effect of the measure passing or failing. |
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Neal |
Explains that the legislature may have passed
enabling legislation. Gives example
that the ballot measure itself would not authorize the issuance of
bonds. States that is also an example
of a secondary effect. |
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337 |
Rep. Close |
Asks if there is a word limit. |
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Neal |
Explains why there is a limitation of 500 words. |
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371 |
Rep. Flores |
Asks how impartiality is determined. |
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Neal |
Responds that it is in the eye of the beholder, but
it is also grounds for a person to appeal an explanatory statement to the
Supreme Court saying it is not impartial, or understandable. Adds that fiscal impact statements cannot
be appealed based on whether they are impartial or not, but only if they are
accurate. Fiscal impact statements
are only estimates and it would probably be asking too much of the Supreme
Court to second guess a panel of public officials on the accuracy or the
impartiality. The only appeal of a
fiscal impact estimate for a ballot measure is on a procedural flaw—that the
committee did not meet in open or the Secretary of State did not take
testimony on the draft estimate, or a quorum was not present. |
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433 |
Rep. Monnes Anderson |
Notes that on page 4 of the amendments in line 28,
the required vote is not a majority of the committee. |
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478 |
Chair Doyle |
Asks Legislative Counsel staff to assist the
committee. |
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485 |
Rep. Monnes Anderson |
Asks what the timing is to have an initiative
filed. Notes language on page 5,
(5). |
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Neal |
States that the schedules are appropriate for a
primary or general election and they work, although they are tight. Comments on process for special elections
on referrals. |
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TAPE 57, A |
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059 |
Ted Reutlinger |
Advises members that he failed to change the
reference in (4) from three members of the committee. Suggest the committee amend the line 29 on
page 4: delete “at lease three” and insert “a majority”. |
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074 |
Chair Doyle |
Advises members that the bill should have a referral
to Ways and Means because of the potential impact. Asks Reutlinger if he recommends the committee adopt a
conceptual amendment. |
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080 |
Reutlinger |
Comments he is not sure of the rules on conceptual amendments,
but this is an easy one, or this committee could wait and have the next
committee adopt the amendment. |
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100 |
Cara Filsinger |
Administrator.
Advises Chair Doyle on parliamentary procedures to conceptually amend
the bill. |
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104 |
Rep. Doyle
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MOTION: Moves to SUSPEND the rules for the purpose
of to conceptually amending the HB 2144-4 amendments. |
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VOTE:
7-0-0 |
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Chair Doyle |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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108 |
Reutlinger |
Advises the committee that the appropriate amendment
would be on page 4 of the HB 2144-4 amendments, line 29, delete “at least
three” and insert “a majority”. |
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124 |
Rep.
Flores |
MOTION: Moves to amend the HB 2144-4 amendments
dated 5/5/03 on page 4, line 29, delete “at least three” and insert “a
majority” |
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128 |
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VOTE:
7-0-0 |
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Chair Doyle |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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120 |
Rep.
Flores |
MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2144-4 amendments dated 5/5/03, AS
AMENDED. |
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138 |
Rep. Monnes Anderson |
Asks why the local government member is being added.. |
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146 |
Neal |
Explains that there were feelings of former financial
impact committees that they did not always have expertise in local government
finance issues and the fiscal impact committee must estimate the impact on
local governments. |
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163 |
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VOTE:
7-0-0 |
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Chair Doyle |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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164 |
Rep.
Flores |
MOTION: Moves HB 2144 to the floor with a DO PASS
AS AMENDED recommendation and BE REFERRED to the committee on Ways and Means
by prior reference. |
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170 |
Rep. Close |
Explains why she will vote no on this bill. |
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180 |
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VOTE:
6-1-0 AYE: 6 - Backlund, Barnhart, Flores, Monnes Anderson,
Verger, Doyle NAY: 1 - Close |
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184 |
Chair Doyle |
The motion CARRIES. |
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186 |
Chair Doyle |
Closes the work session on HB 2144. |
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186 |
Rep. Verger |
Asks to be allowed to vote on passage of SB 137 A. |
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SB 137
A – WORK SESSION |
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191 |
Rep. Doyle
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MOTION: Requests unanimous consent that the rules
be SUSPENDED to allow REP. VERGER to BE RECORDED as voting AYE on the motion
to send SB 137 A to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation. |
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192 |
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VOTE:
7-0-0 |
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Chair Doyle |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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SB 457
A – WORK SESSION |
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195 |
Rep. Doyle
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MOTION: Requests unanimous consent that the rules
be SUSPENDED to allow REP. CLOSE to BE RECORDED as voting AYE on motion to
send SB 457 A to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation |
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196 |
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VOTE:
7-0-0 |
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Chair Doyle |
Hearing no objection, declares the
motion CARRIED. |
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197 |
Chair Doyle |
Adjourns meeting at 3:46 p.m. |
EXHIBIT
SUMMARY
A
– HB 3631, HB 3631-1 amendment, Dave Hunnicutt, 1 p
B
– HB 3631, prepared statement, Susan Muir, 2 pp
C
– SB 457, prepared statement, Michelle Deister, 1 p
D
– SB 137, form, Fred Neal, 1 p
E
– HB 2144, HB 2144-4 amendments, 7 pp, staff