HOUSE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION

 

 

January 29, 2003   Hearing Room 357

8:30 am Tapes  11 - 12

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Alan Brown, Chair

Rep. Terry Beyer, Vice-Chair

Rep. Jackie Dingfelder

Rep. George Gilman

Rep. Mitch Greenlick

Rep. Cliff Zauner

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:             Rep. John Mabrey, Vice-Chair

 

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Janet Adkins, Committee Administrator

Ryan Sherlock, Committee Assistant

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            LC DRAFTS – Work Session

                                                INFORMATIONAL MEETING – City Street System Overview

                        County Road System Overview

                                                HB 2176 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2216 – Public Hearing and Work Session

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

Tape 11, A

003

Chair Alan Brown

Calls the meeting to order at 8:33 a.m., and opens work session for possible introduction of committee measures.

LC DRAFTS – WORK SESSION

005

Rep. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves LC 1527, LC 1529, LC 1531 BE INTRODUCED as committee bills.

015

Monty King

Oregon Independent Auto Dealers Association, Executive Director. Offers testimony explaining proposed committee measures:

  • LC 1527 (EXHIBIT A) overview
  • LC 1529 (EXHIBIT B) overview
  • LC 1531 (EXHIBIT C) overview

075

Rep. Cliff Zauner

In reference to LC 1531asks how many transfer fees are missed due to lack of accountability.

080

King

States that he is not sure if there are any state wide figures, but indicates that members of his organization sometimes see 4-6 missed fees on some titles.

085

Rep. Mitch Greenlick

Asks what the process is for LC drafts that come to the committee to be introduced as committee bills.

090

Chair Brown

Gives explanation as to the process of introducing committee bills.

092

 

VOTE:  6-0

EXCUSED:  1 - Mabrey

 

Chair Brown

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

095

Chair Brown

Closes the work session and opens an informational meeting.

INFORMATIONAL MEETING

100

Jim Torrey

League of Oregon Cities (LOC), Chair Transportation Committee; and; City of Eugene, Mayor. Offers written testimony and presentation (EXHIBIT D) outlining the LOC’s goals and activities:

  • Mission
  • Strong Cities Make a Strong State
  • Owners of the Transportation System
  • City Roads and Bridges
  • Increased Population
  • Increased Complexity

250

Jim Torrey

  • City Road Fund Revenues
  • City Road Fund Local Revenues
  • City Road Fund Expenditures
  • The Cost of Delayed Preservation
  • Impact of Maintenance Shortfall
  • Efficiency Efforts

345

Chair Brown

Describes personal knowledge of traffic problems associated with a specific section of Beltline Road in Eugene.

360

Torrey

Discusses the problems of congestion on Beltline Highway in regards to public safety and emergency response time.

380

Chair Brown

Asks about possible improvements to West 11th in Eugene.

385

Torrey

Responds regarding the proposed West Eugene Parkway and the difficulties in initiating the project.

450

Rep. Zauner

Asks about specific testimony regarding federal money for cities; how much the three percent represents, and if the state is required to match those monies.

460

Torrey

Defers to Andrea Fogue.

470

Andrea Fogue

League of Oregon Cities Senior Staff Associate. Recommends that she come back to the committee with more detail on those numbers when she has it.

TAPE 12, A

035

Laura Pryor

Association of Oregon Counties, County Judge. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT E) and presentation regarding Oregon County Road System:

  • Oregon’s Highway and Road System: Road Miles
  • Oregon Counties
  • Population
  • Square Miles
  • Population: High Growth and Low Growth
  • Square Miles: High Growth and Low Growth
  • Oregon’s Highway and Road System: Bridges and Culverts

Defers to Bill Penhollow.

140

Bill Penhollow

Association of Oregon Counties, Representative. Offers testimony in reference to Exhibit E.

  • Funding the County Portion of the System
  • County Road Funds: Revenues
  • County Road Funds: Expenditures
  • County Road Needs

190

Chair Brown

Asks whether the county road needs is for new construction or maintenance.

195

Penhollow

Responds that the county road needs is for all costs including new construction and maintenance. Continues with presentation:

  • County Road Needs: Maintenance

Concludes and defers to Laura Pryor.

230

Pryor

Illustrates how the economic needs of the state ride on the road system:

  • System Illustration

350

Pryor

Discusses the problems caused by the lack of railroad system in the state, the need for maintenance and preservation, and concludes.

380

Chair Brown

Asks whether the counties are experiencing a bridge problem similar to that of the state highway system.

390

Penhollow

Indicates that the problem is similar, and discusses the counties bridge problem.

400

Chair Brown

Asks if the county is placing weight restrictions on any of its bridges.

405

Penhollow

Responds affirmatively.

410

Rep. Zauner

Recalls Judge Pryor’s earlier reference to the counties use of gravel, and asks Judge Pryor if the counties could use any state help.

415

Pryor

Explains that the counties are not lacking in amount of rock to crush, but rather need the money required to crush and transport this rock.

430

Rep. Greenlick

Expresses concerns regarding the LC draft 1529, and whether it would be appropriate to address those concerns before the LC was adopted by the committee as a committee measure. 

435

Janet Adkins

Explains that it would be appropriate to address those concerns.

TAPE 11, B

030

Rep. Greenlick

Asks if the committee could hold LC 1529 and readdress before sending over to legislative counsel.

033

Chair Brown

Responds that the committee would have to reconsider the vote, and suspend the rules.

040

Rep. Greenlick

Makes a motion to suspend the rules for reconsider of previous vote.

 

Committee

Discusses the process for committee measure introduction.

050

Rep. Greenlick

Withdraws the motion to suspend the rules.

055

Chair Brown

Closes the informational meeting, and opens public hearing on HB 2176.

HB 2176 – PUBLIC HEARING

060

Adkins

Offers description of HB 2176.

090

Adkins

Provides the committee with written testimony (EXHIBIT F) in favor of HB 2176 from Jason Heuser, Intergovernmental Relations Manager for the City of Eugene.

100

Curt Curtis

Oregon State Police, Sergeant. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT G) in support of HB 2176.

200

Rep. Beyer

Asks how enforcement would occur for the situations as described in HB 2176.

215

Curtis

Acknowledges that enforcement would be difficult, and discusses how the law would be enforced.

220

Rep. Zauner

Asks whether the Basic Rule would already apply to the situations which HB 2176 addresses.

225

Curtis

Explains the difficulties with using the Basic Rule to address this situation, and states that the Basic Rule would not offer the public an indication for what they should do.

240

Rep. Zauner

Asks about public education regarding the law and enforcement.

245

Curtis

Discusses the efforts that would be taken to educate the public in regards to the new law.

265

Chair Brown

Clarifies the need for an amendment to make HB 2176 effect single lane, two way streets.

270

Curtis

Concurs with the need for an amendment to address this problem.

275

Bill Laird

Canby Fire/Rescue Clackamas County, offers written testimony (EXHIBIT H) with reference to offered report; Response and Operations Safety at Roadside Incidents: An Approach to Mitigate Unnecessary Firefighter Casualties (EXHIBIT I).

TAPE 12, B

010

Rep. Zauner

Expresses concern for the penalties proposed in HB 2176.

015

Curtis

Discusses the penalties as proposed in the measure.

030

Rep. Zauner

Recognizes Mr. Curtis’s comments, but reiterates his concerns.

035

Laird

Points out that the penalties as proposed are light when compared with those of other states.

045

Rep. Gilman

Asks why current reckless driving restrictions wouldn’t address this problem, and whether there has been consideration for educating the public without a change in the law.

050

Laird

Responds, discussing how reckless driving would in some cases not address the situation.

065

Curtis

Discusses the difficulty in using reckless driving as a deterrent currently.

075

Rep. Gilman

Asks about the advertising regarding enforcement of the proposed law.

080

Curtis

Indicates that he is unsure whether there has been any effort to educate the public thus far, but observes the difficulties with these efforts.

090

Jim Botwinis

Oregon State Police Officers’ Association, Executive Director. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT J) in support of HB 2176.

120

Rep. Dingfelder

Questions whether the concerns expressed could be added to DMV training for new drivers, and expresses her concern for the lack of state police on the road due to recent budget cuts.

135

Rep. Beyer

Mentions the earlier suggestion that the committee could amend the measure to include two lane roads, and asks Mr. Botwinis if he would support such an amendment.

140

Botwinis

Responds affirmatively with discussion as to the lack of safety on two lane roads.

145

Rep. Dingfelder

Concurs with Representative Beyer in her support for such an amendment.

150

Chair Brown

Indicates that he intends to ask for such an amendment.

155

Rep. Zauner

Remarks that this issue needs to be addressed in the drivers education manuals produced by the Division of Motor Vehicles.

160

Chair Brown

Clarifies that in the current bill there is no mention to a specific speed.

165

Botwinis

Confirms that there is no mention to a specific speed, due to the difficulty of determining a passing motorist’s speed in the given situation.

170

Chair Brown

Thanks the witnesses, and indicates his desire to have legislative counsel draft an amendment addressing the need to expand the measure to two lane roads.

175

Rep. Greenlick

Concurs with Chair Brown about the need to expand the measure with an amendment, and discusses the courage of the officers involved.

200

Rep. Dingfelder

Asks for clarification of the amendment.

210

Chair Brown

Asks Mr. Botwinis to step back up to the witness table and address the amendment.

215

Botwinis

Discusses the proposed amendment.

225

Chair Brown

Closes the public hearing on HB 2167, and opens a public hearing on HB 2216.

HB 2216 – PUBLIC HEARING

240

Janet Adkins

Offers an explanation of HB 2216.

260

Kelly  Taylor

Oregon Department of Transportation Representative. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT K) in support of HB 2216.

290

Rep. Dingfelder

Asks how often “title washing” happens in Oregon.

295

Taylor

Gives explanation for “title washing” and discusses the proposed measures role in stopping the practice.

300

Rep. Greenlick

Asks how car titles become “junk titles.”

305

Taylor

Gives explanation of “junk titles,” and points out that Oregon does not issue junk titles.

325

Rep. Greenlick

Asks whether someone from another state who is in a bad enough accident, holds the original title.

330

Taylor

Explains that someone in this example does not keep the original title, but rather is issued a junk title.

335

Rep. Greenlick

Clarifies the process for receiving a junk title.

337

Taylor

Clarifies the processes.

340

Adkins

Asks whether there would be a similar process for junk titles as there is for a salvage title, where the salvage can be restored into a rebuilt or reconstructed title.

350

Taylor

Responds that there is no program such as this in Oregon, and anyone wanting to restore a vehicle would need to return to the original state in which the junk title was issued.

355

Chair Brown

Clarifies that a vehicle with a junk title is usually not safe for the streets even if rebuilt.

360

Taylor

Concurs with Chair Brown.

370

Chair Brown

Closes the public hearing on HB 2216, and opens a work session on HB 2216.

HB 2216 – WORK SESSION

395

Rep. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves HB 2216 to the floor with a DO PASS recommendation.

400

 

VOTE:  6-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

EXCUSED:  1 - Mabrey

 

Chair Brown

The motion CARRIES.

ZAUNER will lead discussion on the floor.

405

Adkins

Discusses the upcoming field trip scheduled for the committee.

455

Chair Brown

Closes the work session on HB 2216, and adjourns the meeting at 10:22 a.m.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – LC 1527, draft, Staff, 2 pp.

B – LC 1529, draft, Staff, 2 pp.

C – LC 1531, draft, Staff, 1 p.

D – Informational testimony, Jim Torrey, 9 pp.

E – Informational testimony, Laura Pryor, 10 pp.

F – HB 2176, written testimony, Jason Heuser, 1 p.

G – HB 2176, written testimony, Curt Curtis, 3 pp.

H – HB 2176, written testimony, Bill Laird, 4 pp.

I – HB 2176, Response and Operations Safety at Roadside Incidents: An Approach to Mitigate Unnecessary firefighter Casualties, Bill Laird, 63 pp.

J – HB 2176, written testimony, Jim Botwinis, 1 p.

K – HB 2216, written testimony, Kelly Taylor, 1 p.