HOUSE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION

 

 

March 05, 2003   Hearing Room 357

8:30 AM Tapes  41 - 42

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Alan Brown, Chair

Rep. Elizabeth Beyer, Vice-Chair

Rep. John Mabrey Vice-Chair

Rep. Jackie Dingfelder

Rep. George Gilman

Rep. Mitch Greenlick

Rep. Cliff Zauner

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Janet Adkins, Administrator

Ryan Sherlock, Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            HB 2222 – Work Session

                                                HB 2540 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 2541 – Public Hearing

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

Tape 41, A

003

Chair Brown

Calls meeting to order at 8:35 a.m., and opens a work session on HB 2222.

HB 2222 – WORK SESSION

005

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2222, the -1 amendment (EXHIBIT A) and the hand engrossed version of the bill including the -1 amendment (EXHIBIT B).

020

Chair Brown

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2222-1 amendments dated 03/04/03.

025

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Brown

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

030

Rep. Gilman

MOTION:  Moves HB 2222 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

 

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Brown

The motion CARRIES.

030

Rep. Greenlick

MOTION:  Moves HB 2222 be placed on the CONSENT CALENDAR.

035

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Brown

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

040

Chair Brown

Closes the work session on HB 2222, and opens a public hearing on HB 2540.

HB 2540 – PUBLIC HEARING

050

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2540.

060

Monty King

Oregon Independent Auto Dealers Association, Executive Director. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT C) in support of HB 2540.

100

Rep. Greenlick

Clarifies that in the spirit of fairness, Mr. King would be in favor of adding dealers to the requirements placed on the public by HB 2540.

105

King

Addresses the dealer's role in title transfers.

120

Rep. Greenlick

Clarifies the fairness intent of the bill, and that the dealer exemption seems to go against that fairness.

140

King

Explains how the dealer is responsible for previous transactions.

150

Rep. Greenlick

Ask Committee Administrator Adkins to clarify the exemption.

155

Adkins

Explains that as she understands the bill, there is an exemption for the dealers.

165

Rep. Mabrey

Questions the fairness of the bill, when you make those honest citizens pay for the misdeeds of those that are dishonest.

180

King

Observes that no one can be sure how the bill would change the behavior of those dishonest citizens, but comments on how it could change accountability.

210

Chair Brown

Clarifies that titles do not have to be changed as long as the previous owner’s title is current.

215

King

Illustrates the title transfer process and how titles can be transferred without the proper fees being collected by the state.

255

Chair Brown

Restates earlier question.

260

King

Explains that the registration of vehicles is different from keeping a current title.

280

Rep. Dingfelder

Asks whether it is fair for the person who last buys the car to pay for the past indiscretions of those who owned the car before them, and asks about the cost associated with enforcing the proposed law.

290

King

Comments on the fairness of the bill.

320

Rep. Dingfelder

Expresses her belief that it would be unfair to place the burden on the last owner of the car.

345

King

Explains that the vehicle and its proper title registration is the responsibility of the owner, and that in taking ownership they should be accountable for those previous fees.

380

Rep. Greenlick

Comments on the lack of fairness in the bill, and asks who pays the dishonest or the honest.

405

King

Points out his group thinks the honest people already pay, and that the bill would make the dishonest people pay.

TAPE 42, A

025

Rep. Beyer

Expresses her concerns that the bill would create a disincentive to register a car title.

030

Rep. Zauner

Comments on Mr. King’s earlier illustration, and clarifies that it would be the responsibility of the buyer to collect the previously uncollected fees from the seller.

045

King

Further illustrates the title process.

065

Rep. Beyer

Restates her previous question.

070

King

Discusses other means in which the fees could be collected, including requiring license plates.

090

Rep. Beyer

Asks how raising the registration fee would address the problem.

095

King

Comments on the people’s mistrust for increasing the vehicle registration fee.

105

Kelly Taylor

Oregon Department of Transportation, Division of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT D) regarding HB 2540.

180

Chair Brown

Clarifies that when a car is bought the title needs to be transferred.

190

Taylor

Summarizes when a title is required to be transferred.

200

Rep. Greenlick

Refers to the fiscal impact statement for HB 2540 (EXHIBIT E), and asks about specific language in the statement.

205

Taylor

Explains that while the DMV is going to change the title backs omitting two of the three transfer entry spots, the public still has the ability to write up a bill of sale which is a legal document of that title transfer.

245

Chair Brown

Asks how the state can correct the title transfer problem.

250

Taylor

Discusses other measures used by states to collect title fees, including the requirement that the plate stay with the seller.

365

Chair Brown

Asks what kinds of problems would occur if the bill of sale were disqualified as a title transfer.

370

Taylor

Discusses the extra costs, and points out due to the increased collection of the title fees those costs would be offset.

280

Rep. Zauner

Asks whether HB 2540 would create better enforcement for insuring vehicles.

285

Taylor

Responds that more title registration would not equate to more insurance coverage, and discusses what insurance information the DMV has on file.

330

Rep. Zauner

Asks whether HB 2540 would help stem the influx of illegal immigrants.

335

Taylor

Explains that there would be no effect on the illegal immigrants in the state.

340

Rep. Greenlick

Asks whether the bill would affect low income citizens than high income citizens.

345

Taylor

Acknowledges that the effect would be disproportionate affect lower income citizens.

360

Chair Brown

Closes the public hearing on HB 2540, and opens a public hearing on HB 2541.

HB 2541 – PUBLIC HEARING

365

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2541.

390

Monty King

Oregon Independent Auto Dealers Association, Executive Director. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT F) in support of HB 2541.

TAPE 41, B

 

Chair Brown

Clarifies that HB 2541 proposes a bumper-sticker like object in the license plate area of the car.

 

King

Acknowledges, and discusses what form the temporary plate could come in.

035

Chris Davis

Aumsville, Oregon. Offers testimony in support of HB 2541, including references to his experiences with similar designs in Arizona.

 

Chair Brown

Asks about the proposed advertising on these temporary permits.

 

King

Discusses the advertising and how it may look.

070

Chair Brown

Comments on his experience with car dealers who make sure that any car they come into contact with has their license plate cover.

075

King

Comments on his similar experience.

095

Rep. Zauner

Asks what the temporary plates in Arizona look like.

100

Davis

Explains that the plates in Arizona are cardboard with a plastic film over the writing making them difficult to alter.

105

Rep. Beyer

Questions the consistency of those temporary plates.

110

Davis

Explains that the plates are consistent because they are provided by the Arizona DMV.

125

Rep. Beyer

Ask if there would be an economic impact to the DMV to redesign their temporary plates, and who would pay for these costs.

130

Davis

Explains how the DMV would charge the dealers for the plates.

135

Chair Brown

Points out that the dealer will pay for the redesigned temporary plate if that meant making a sale on a $40,000 dollar vehicle.

140

Kelly Taylor

Oregon Department of Transportation, Division of Motor Vehicles. Offers testimony regarding HB 2541. Expresses concerns for the consistency of the temporary plates, theft of plates displayed on the outside of the vehicle, and the costs involved in implementing the proposal.

190

Chair Brown

Clarifies that currently there is no charge for temporary plates.

195

Taylor

Acknowledges that there currently is no cost for temporary plates.

200

Curt Curtis

Oregon State Police, Sergeant. Offers testimony regarding HB 2541, including his concern for the lack of consistency regarding the advertising, and having the temporary permit in the license plate area of the vehicle.

240

Rep. Zauner

Asks whether the permit would be more visible located in the back window, or in the license plate area.

245

Curtis

Comments on the visibility of the temporary plate in various locations.

260

Rep. Zauner

Points out the visibility created by having the headlights fall on the license plate area, and questions whether the temporary plates in the window are any more visible.

265

Curtis

Agrees that the license plate area is more visible, but points out that visibility is reliant on the object in the area having some form of reflector.

275

Rep. Zauner

Asks whether visibility would be improved if the temporary plates were moved to the license plate area and had reflective material on them.

277

Curtis

Provides that this could be more visible, but that he would have to see a prototype to make a judgment.

280

Taylor

Comments that temporary plates are supposed to be temporary and the cost of some of the proposals would be prohibitive.

285

Rep. Zauner

Asks if a bumper sticker would cost too much.

290

Taylor

Points out a bumper sticker would be difficult to remove.

300

Rep. Mabrey

Explains that he envisions the proposed temporary plates being an easy insert rather than a bumper sticker.

310

Taylor

Explains how long the temporary plates are issued for, and discusses the issue of placement.

320

Rep. Mabrey

Asks if by that logic, the license plate should also be in the vehicle.

325

Taylor

Acknowledges that license plates would be more secure inside the vehicle.

335

Rep. Greenlick

Asks if there are any measures that keep a dealer from placing an advertisement inside the license plate area.

340

Curtis

Points out that some dealers currently place advertisements in that location.

350

Chair Brown

Closes the public hearing on HB 2541, and adjourns the meeting.

The following exhibit is submitted for the record:

 

Staff

Submits Oregon Vehicle Code (EXHIBIT G) regarding HB 2540.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2222, -1 amendment, Staff, 2 pp.

B – HB 2222, hand engrossed bill, Staff, 3 pp.

C – HB 2540, written testimony, Monty King, 1 p.

D – HB 2540, written testimony, Kelly Taylor, 2 pp.

E – HB 2540, fiscal impact statement, Staff, 2 pp.

F – HB 2541, written testimony, Monty King, 1 pp.

G – HB 2540, Oregon Vehicle Code, Staff, 2 pp.