HOUSE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION

 

 

March 10, 2003   Hearing Room 357

8:30 AM Tapes  45 - 46

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Alan Brown, Chair

Rep. Elizabeth Beyer, Vice-Chair

Rep. John Mabrey Vice-Chair

Rep. Jackie Dingfelder

Rep. George Gilman

Rep. Mitch Greenlick

Rep. Cliff Zauner

 

MEMBER EXCUSED:

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Janet Adkins, Administrator

Ryan Sherlock, Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            HB 2398 – WORK SESSION

                                                HB 2542 – WORK SESSION

                                                HB 2428 – WORK SESSION

                                                INFORMATIONAL MEETING

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

Tape 45, A

003

Chair Brown

Calls the meeting to order at 8:31 a.m., and opens a work session on HB 2398.

HB 2398 – WORK SESSION

005

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2398, and the proposed -1 amendment (EXHIBIT A) to HB 2398, and the possible need for a -2 amendment.

030

Chair Brown

Closes the work session on HB 2398, and opens a work session on HB 2542.

HB 2542 – WORK SESSION

035

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2542 and the proposed -1 amendment (EXHIBIT B) to HB 2542.

065

Kelly Taylor

Oregon Department of Transportation. Offers testimony explaining the need for the -1 amendment.

105

Adkins

Asks if Ms. Taylor knows how many people register after the 60 days.

110

Taylor

Explains that it is extremely difficult for the Department to track these transactions.

115

Adkins

Clarifies specific language in the amendment.

120

Taylor

Offers an explanation for the language in the amendment.

130

Rep. Brown

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2542-1 amendments dated 03/05/03.

135

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Brown

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

140

Rep. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves HB 2542 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

145

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Brown

The motion CARRIES.

145

Rep. Greenlick

MOTION:  Moves HB 2542 be placed on the CONSENT CALENDAR.

145

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Brown

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

150

Chair Brown

Closes the work session on HB 2542, and opens a work session on HB 2428.

HB 2428 – WORK SESSION

155

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2428 and the proposed -2 amendment (EXHIBIT C) to HB 2428.

185

Kelly Taylor

Oregon Department of Transportation. Offers testimony explaining the -2 amendment to HB 2428

235

Monty King

Oregon Independent Auto Dealers. Offers testimony in support of HB 2428.

250

Rep. Greenlick

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2428-2 amendments dated 03/07/03.

 

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Brown

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

255

Rep. Greenlick

MOTION:  Moves HB 2428 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation and BE REFERRED to the committee on Ways and Means.

 

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Brown

The motion CARRIES.

285

Chair Brown

Closes the work session on HB 2428, and opens an informational meeting: Innovative Finance Advisory Committee Report

INFORMATIONAL MEETING

295

Jim Whitty

Oregon Department of Transportation. Offers written overview (EXHIBIT D) of the Innovative Finance Advisory Committee, with reference to the committee’s final report: Public-Private Partnerships for Oregon Transportation Projects (EXHIBIT E).

TAPE 46, A

001

John Carter

Innovative Finance Advisory Committee, Member. Offers summary points (EXHIBIT F) to the actions and recommendations of the committee.

110

Whitty

Introduces Mr. Walsh.

115

Tom Walsh

Innovative Finance Advisory Committee (IFAC), Member. Offers testimony regarding the history and future of public-private joint ventures in Oregon.

205

Rep. Greenlick

Indicates his interest in the Airport Max, but expresses concerns for the two stops preceding the airport and the lack of investment at those stops.

215

Carter

Explains that those stops fell victim to the recent economic downturn, and discusses the general problem.

245

Rep. Greenlick

Asks if there is room for other kinds of commercial investments, and asks what other commercial investments were considered by the committee.

260

Whitty

Explains that the possibilities and varieties of public-private partnerships are vast, and the committee only looked at a few without excluding the possibility of others.

275

Carter

Further describes some of the particular pubic-private partnerships which were considered by the committee.

315

Walsh

Addresses Rep. Greenlick’s question, explaining the example of Intel regarding the Airport Max and Washington County.

360

Rep. Dingfelder

Asks Mr. Whitty whether the committee considered any private-public ability to alleviate congestion.

370

Whitty

Discusses the consideration of private-public ventures to address these problems.

405

Rep. Dingfelder

Asks whether there is a market in Oregon for toll based roadways.

420

Whitty

Explains that the IFAC was not tasked with market research, but the road user fee task force looked at previous data regarding toll funded roadways.

TAPE 45, B

020

Rep. Zauner

Refers to New Zealand’s ability to make private-public partnerships work, and asks Mr. Carter if he has any personal experience with that example.

025

Carter

Explains that he has been to New Zealand and has been involved in some of those public-private partnerships, and further discusses his experience.

060

Rep. Beyer

Asks how the private sector identifies possible public projects.

070

Whitty

Offers an explanation for how projects are chosen, defers to Mr. Carter.

075

Carter

Discusses the various ways in which the private sector becomes involved in projects.

120

Chair Brown

Asks when the private sector becomes involve in transportation improvement projects.

125

Carter

Discusses the ways in which projects are identified, including what sized projects are considered.

160

Whitty

Discusses the solicited proposals, and how those projects are considered.

185

Carter

Explains that it is important to the private sector that they see the considered projects add value.

240

Rep. Greenlick

Asks how the culture of the institution is altered to support these private-public joint projects, and come up with innovative ideas in this area.

250

Whitty

States the importance of the topic and asks if Mr. Walsh and Mr. Carter would comment on the importance of and difficulties regarding culture.

265

Walsh

Explains that lack of time is a major factor and further discusses the issue of culture.

330

Carter

Comments on what is needed to change culture in any organization, and recalls the difficulty in valuing time. Discusses the difference in culture between the private sector and the public.

TAPE 46, B

005

Rep. Mabrey

Points out the value of unsolicited proposals. Comments on the mindset it takes on both the public and private sector to come together.

025

Walsh

Comments on how the private sectors ideas are able to be incorporated by ODOT.

045

Chair Brown

Thanks the witnesses, closes the informational hearing and adjourns the meeting.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2398, -1 Amendment, Staff, 5 pp.

B – HB 2542, -1 Amendment, Staff, 2 pp.

C – HB 2428, -2 Amendment, Staff, 1 p.

D – Informational, Innovative Finance Advisory Committee Overview, Jim Whitty, 3 pp.

E – Informational, Public-Private Partnerships for Oregon Transportation Projects, Jim Whitty, 40 pp.

F – Informational, Innovative Finance Advisory Committee Summary, John Carter, 5 pp.