HOUSE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION

 

 

April 04, 2003 Hearing Room 357

9:00 AM Tapes  66 - 69

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Alan Brown, Chair

Rep. Elizabeth Beyer, Vice-Chair

Rep. John Mabrey Vice-Chair

Rep. Jackie Dingfelder

Rep. George Gilman

Rep. Mitch Greenlick

Rep. Cliff Zauner

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Janet Adkins, Administrator

Ryan Sherlock, Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            HB 2217 – Public Hearing

                                                HB 3510 – Public Hearing

HB 2749 – Public Hearing

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

TAPE 66, A

003

Chair Brown

Calls the meeting to order at 9:06 a.m., and opens a public hearing on HB 2217.

HB 2217 – PUBLIC HEARING

005

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2217.

025

Gregg Dal Ponte

Oregon Department of Transportation. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT A) in support of HB 2217.

075

Rep. Greenlick

Asks if a farmer could come in prior to the harvest receive a level 1 inspection.

080

Dal Ponte

Indicates he will address that issue shortly, continues with testimony.

150

Dal Ponte

Addresses situation which occurred in Chair Brown’s district.

180

Chair Brown

Thanks Mr. Dal Ponte for the professionalism he showed in handling the mentioned situation.

185

Rep. Mabrey

Asks how long the decals are valid for.

190

Dal Ponte

Explains that a decal is valid for a calendar quarter.

195

Rep. Mabrey

Asks what the intent of the decal is.

200

Dal Ponte

Discusses the intent of the decal system.

205

Rep. Mabrey

Poses a hypothetical situation, expressing concern with the safety inspection.

210

Dal Ponte

Discusses what would be needed to perform the inspection mentioned by Rep. Mabrey.

230

Andrew Eno

Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration. Discusses the federal issues regarding such inspections.

240

Rep. Greenlick

Asks what the cost of such inspections would need to be to cover costs.

245

Dal Ponte

Explains that a level 1 inspection takes about thirty five minutes.

250

Rep. Greenlick

Clarifies the cost then would be around one hundred dollars.

255

Dal Ponte

Provides that one hundred dollars would be an accurate figure, but discusses the volume of the program.

280

Rep. Gilman

Asks what the agricultural society is supposed to think when the state adds regulations to an system that is already working.

290

Dal Ponte

Discusses the federal requirements, and possible loss of funding due to non compliance.

325

Rep. Greenlick

Indicates his support for the bill, but expresses concern for the agricultural community. Indicates his wish for a monitoring system to measure the affects of the bill on the agriculture industry.

345

Dal Ponte

Assures Rep. Greenlick that there will be sensitivity to the issue.

355

Rep. Zauner

Discusses situation in his district.

360

Chair Brown

Closes the Public hearing on HB 2217, and opens a public hearing on HB 3510.

HB 3510 – PUBLIC HEARING

365

Doug Tindal

Oregon Department of Transportation. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT B) in opposition to HB 3510.

430

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Asks if there is clarification for the verb “undertaken.”

440

Tindal

Discusses the term “undertaken” and its implications.

TAPE 67, A

020

Andrea Fogue

League of Oregon Cities. Offers testimony regarding HB 3510.

050

Rep. Greenlick

Indicates his concern for the measure. Questions the cooperation issues involved.

065

Fogue

Discusses the issue of project priority.

075

Rep. Beyer

Asks if Ms. Fogue supports the bill or not.

080

Fogue

Discusses her groups perception of the bill, expressing concern for the fiscal constraints of local governments.

095

Bill Penhollow

Association of Oregon Counties. Offers testimony regarding HB 3510.

140

Rep. Zauner

Asks if Mr. Penhollow or Ms. Fogue support the bill.

142

Penhollow

Indicates his group supports the bill.

143

Fogue

Indicates her group supports the bill.

145

Chair Brown

Closes the public hearing on HB 3510, and opens a public hearing on HB 2749.

HB 2749 – PUBLIC HEARING

150

Rep. Miller

House District 37. Thanks Chair and the Committee for hearing the bill. Offer testimony in support of HB 2749. Expresses his trust in the people of Oregon to handle the responsibility of pumping their own fuels. Quotes and questions statute which indicates self service of fuel promotes criminal activity. Discusses the relevant safety issues, and weather patterns. Discusses gasoline pricing patterns. Points out the costs of labor.

TAPE 66, B

010

Rep. Dingfelder

Thanks Rep. Miller for his testimony. Asks whether gas prices would decrease if self-serve were allowed.

015

Rep. Miller

Explains that the savings created by decreased costs, would be passed on to the customers.

035

Rep. Beyer

Asks why there is no referral to the voters.

040

Rep. Miller

Explains that he would not be adverse to a referral.

045

Rep. Zauner

Discusses his personal experience regarding self-service, and events concerning the terrorist attacks of 9/11.

065

Rep. Miller

Discusses the issues of safety and self-service.

075

Rep. Greenlick

Expresses concerns regarding the gender-gap regarding support of the bill.

080

Rep. Miller

Discusses the gender-gap issue.

100

Rep. Greenlick

Questions Rep. Miller’s motives in the proposed age limit.

105

Rep. Miller

Confirms those concerns explaining HB 2749 is a “self-serving bill.”

110

Rep. Dingfelder

Asks how some of the exemptions would be confirmed at the pump.

115

Rep. Miller

Explains the drivers license would be proof of age or other exemption issues.

120

Rep. Dingfelder

Expresses concerns for those who are exempt receiving the proper service.

150

Rep. Miller

Discusses the issues regarding exemptions and service.

160

Rep. Beyer

Points out the gender issue again.

175

Paul Romaine

Oregon Petroleum Marketers Association. Offers testimony in support of HB 2749. Provides statistics from a recent poll conducted by his group. Points out his groups historic opposition to self-service, but in light of recent cost concerns, expresses his group’s support.

340

Rep. Zauner

Asks for the wording of the questions asked in the poll.

345

Rep. Dingfelder

Asks for a copy of the poll.

350

Romaine

Provides wording from the poll, and indicates he will get the data to the representatives.

395

Cliff Olson

Oregon Petroleum Marketers Association.

TAPE 67, B

015

Larry Campbell

American Automobile Association. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT C) in opposition to HB 2749. Provides statistics from a recent poll conducted by his group.

080

Howard Misner

Grange Co-op, Petroleum Operations Manager. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT D) in support of HB 2749.

140

Rep. Beyer

Questions whether there would be savings created by self-service.

150

Misner

Explains the decrease in price to consumers would be small, but expresses concern for the increasing operational costs of running service stations in Oregon.

170

Rep. Zauner

Asks what the average cost for gasoline is at card-lock stations.

175

Misner

Discusses the difference in operational cost between card-lock and manned service stations, but points out the average cost at a card-lock is two cents less than that of a service station. Indicates the cost in southern Oregon is $1.82.

200

Phyllis Rand

Governors Commission on Senior Services. Offers testimony in opposition to HB 2749. Describes her personal experience regarding self-service.

280

Lee Hazelwood

Senior Advocate. Offers testimony in opposition to HB 2749.

TAPE 68, A

005

Rep. Greenlick

Asks who Mr. Hazelwood quoted in his testimony.

010

Hazelwood

Explains that the quote came from Wes Sullivan.

015

Rep. Greenlick

Asks if either witness would feel more comfortable with the bill if it were amended to impose sanctions on dealers if they do not provide service to those exempt in the bill.

020

Hazelwood

Indicates he would not be more comfortable with such a provision.

025

Rep. Zauner

Asks whether the witness would support increasing the number of card locks in the state.

030

Hazelwood

Discusses the costs at card lock stations.

040

Brent DeHart

Oregon Gasoline Dealers Association, President. Offers testimony regarding HB 2749. But references a poll his organization conducted which indicates his members are in support of self-service.

115

Chair Brown

Asks whether a station could have one island designated only to full service.

120

DeHart

Explains that such a situation would be feasible.

125

Rep. Greenlick

Asks if as the bill is written, would the dealers be able to save money.

130

DeHart

Discusses the cost to dealer implications of the bill.

140

Howard Fisher

West Linn, Oregon. Offers testimony in support of HB 2749.

305

Rep. Zauner

Points out that those organizations which provide fuel as a lost leader, would be able to lower their cost as well.

310

Fisher

Discusses the costs for the lost leader sellers.

325

Rep. Mabrey

Points out that he chooses to go to facilities which provide service. Asks whether there would be any difficulty in providing the service side while allowing self-serve.

340

Fisher

Discusses the implementation of the bill for independent dealers. Discusses the need for the independent dealer to use service as a draw, to offset costs.

TAPE 69, A

005

Glenn Zirkle

Oregon Petroleum Marketers Association. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT E) in support of HB 2749.

090

Janet Adkins

Enters into the record, submitted testimony from: Dan Reid (EXHIBIT F), Susan Freeman (EXHIBIT G), and William Carter (EXHIBIT H).

095

Debra

Vancouver, Washington. Offers testimony in support of HB 2749.

150

Chair Brown

Closes the public hearing on HB 2749, and adjourns the meeting at 11:31 p.m.

The following prepared testimony is submitted for the record without public testimony for HB 2749:

 

Brad Davis

Submits written testimony (EXHIBIT I).

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2217, written testimony, Gregg Dal Ponte, 2 pp.

B – HB 3510, written testimony, Doug Tindal, 2 pp.

C – HB 2749, written testimony, Larry Campbell, 2 pp.

D – HB 2749, written testimony, Howard Misner, 2 pp.

E – HB 2749, written testimony, Glenn Zirkle, 1 p.

F – HB 2749, written testimony, Dan Reid, 2 pp.

G – HB 2749, written testimony, Susan Freeman, 1 p.

H – HB 2749, written testimony, William Carter, 1 p.

 

Exhibit submitted outside of hearing:

I – HB 2749, written testimony, Brad Davis, 2 pp.