HOUSE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION

 

 

April 18, 2003 Hearing Room 357

8:30 Tapes  86 - 87

 

MEMBERS PRESENT:            Rep. Alan Brown, Chair

Rep. Elizabeth Beyer, Vice-Chair

Rep. John Mabrey Vice-Chair

Rep. Jackie Dingfelder

Rep. George Gilman

Rep. Mitch Greenlick

Rep. Cliff Zauner

 

STAFF PRESENT:                  Janet Adkins, Administrator

Ryan Sherlock, Assistant

 

 

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD:            HB 2455 A – Work Session

HB 2954 – Work Session

HB 2768 – Work Session

HB 3583 – Work Session

HB 2749 – Work Session

 

 

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules.  Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words.  For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

 

TAPE/#

Speaker

Comments

Tape 86, A

003

Chair Brown

Calls meeting to order at 8:03 a.m., and opens a work session on HB 2455 A.

HB 2455 A - WORK SESSION

005

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2455 A, and the proposed –A6 amendments (EXHIBIT A).

020

Chair

Asks Ms. Taylor whether there is a fiscal impact on the bill.

025

Kelly Taylor

Oregon Department of Transportation. Explains that there is a fiscal impact, but it is very small.

030

Chair Brown

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2455A-6 amendments dated 04/17/03.

035

Rep. Greenlick

Clarifies that there is a limit to the number of cars allowed.

040

Chair Brown

Points out where the limitation is in the wording.

045

Rep. Mabrey

Clarifies the effect of the amendment.

050

Taylor

Describes the intent and effect of the amendments.

045

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Brown

The motion CARRIES.

050

Rep. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves HB 2455A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

070

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Brown

The motion CARRIES.

REP. BEYER will lead discussion on the floor.

075

Chair Brown

Closes the work session on HB 2455A, and opens a work session on HB 2954.

HB 2954 – WORK SESSION

080

Rep. Kropf

House District 17. Offers testimony in support of HB 2954. Describes conceptual amendments being drafted which would expand the scope of the bill.

240

Rep. Beyer

Asks about the fee increase, and asks if currently free services would have fees assessed on them under this bill.

245

Rep. Kropf

Discusses the fee increase, and other funding issues.

320

Rep. Dingfelder

Expresses concern for the cost associated with oversight of these private providers.

330

Rep. Kropf

Discusses the costs of oversight, and further discusses the need to keep costs down and accountability high.

370

Rep. Dingfelder

Points out that the countries used as examples by Rep. Kropf are socialist countries with universal health care.

380

Rep. Kropf

Discusses the privatization in those countries, and further discusses the privatized motor vehicle systems in those counties.

TAPE 87, A

025

Chair Brown

Asks whether these new, private businesses would be apart of current companies or on there own.

030

Rep. Kropf

Explains that they could be either. Discusses the various options.

035

Rep. Mabrey

Asks how prices would be changed through privatization.

045

Rep. Kropf

Discusses the reasons for why prices would change.

060

Rep. Mabrey

Clarifies his question, asking how the individual would make money off the venture.

070

Rep. Kropf

Explains that the current fees are set in statute, and that additional charges would be attributed to convenience.

085

Rep. Greenlick

Points to the bills similarity with the current system for hunting and fishing licenses. But also points out the different between these licenses and the importance of drivers licenses.

095

Rep. Kropf

Discusses the security of driver’s licenses.

105

Rep. Greenlick

Expresses concern for allowing unqualified individuals to make the judgment call in authorizing driver’s license, or having access to the information in the DMV database.

110

Rep. Kropf

Further discusses the security issue implicit in driver’s license.

160

Rep. Greenlick

Asks whether Rep. Kropf would model these private DMV offices off of the semi-privatized liquor stores.

165

Rep. Kropf

Discusses the example of semi-privatized liquor stores.

180

Rep. Beyer

Asks whether there are any numbers suggesting what the saving could be, and asks if Rep. Kropf has had any conversations with those who would be interested in running these private DMV offices.

190

Rep. Kropf

Explains that he does not have such numbers, nor has he had such conversations. Further discusses the issue.

205

Rep. Zauner

Points out his work with Oregon Department of Transportation regarding driver training. Points out the deficiencies in the requirements for obtaining a drivers license.

230

Rep. Kropf

Discusses the problems with the driver’s license process.

270

Kelly Taylor

Oregon Department of Transportation, Division of Motor Vehicles. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT B) regarding HB 2954. Discusses the current efforts of the DMV to link some services with the private industry.

TAPE 86, B

020

Rep. Beyer

Comments on conversations she has had with DMV employees regarding the efficiency of the current semi-private ventures.

025

Taylor

Explains that those ventures are held to the same error rates as the division.

030

Michael Slatter

Service Employees Union International (SEUI). Offers testimony in opposition to HB 2954.

065

Rep. Zauner

Asks what states the fraud occurred in.

070

Slatter

Identifies Ohio and New Jersey as the states in question.

075

Chair Brown

Closes the work session on HB 2954, and opens a work session on HB 2768.

HB 2768 – WORK SESSION

080

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2768, and the proposed -1 amendments (EXHIBIT C).

090

Rep. Prozanski

House District 8. Offers testimony in support of HB 2768, and the -1 amendments.

095

Rep. Mabrey

Clarifies what the intent of the amendments is.

100

Rep. Prozanski

Discusses the intent of the amendments.

105

Rep. Mabrey

Discusses the scope of the amendment.

110

Rep. Prozanski

Comments on the scope of the amendment.

115

Rep. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2768-1 amendments dated 03/21/03.

 

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Brown

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

120

Rep. Beyer

MOTION:  Moves HB 2768 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

125

Rep. Zauner

Expresses his intent to vote Aye on the bill.

130

Rep. Greenlick

Expresses his concerns with the bill, but intent to vote Aye.

135

 

VOTE:  7-0

AYE:            In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.

 

Chair Brown

The motion CARRIES.

REP. PROZANSKI will lead discussion on the floor.

140

Chair Brown

Closes the work session on HB 2768, and opens a work session on HB 3583.

HB 3583 – WORK SESSION

145

Rep. Hunt

House District 40. Offers testimony in support of HB 3583, and the proposed -1 amendments (EXHIBIT D).

160

Rep. Dingfelder

Asks if Rep. Hunt would address Oregon Department of Transportation’s concerns with issuing the infractions and educating the public of the proposed new infraction.

170

Rep. Hunt

Points out other laws which are not consistent from state to state, and points out that ODOT already does safety education.

190

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Points out that the amendment effects only the circumstance where headlights are used in conjunction with wipers.

195

Rep. Greenlick

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 3583-1 amendments dated 04/15/03.

 

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Brown

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

200

Rep. Greenlick

MOTION:  Moves HB 3583 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

205

Rep. Zauner

Expresses his intent to vote NO on the bill, and outlines his concerns.

210

Rep. Gilman

Indicates his intent to vote NO.

215

 

VOTE:  5-2

AYE:               5 - Beyer, Dingfelder, Greenlick, Mabrey, Brown

NAY:               2 - Gilman, Zauner

 

Chair Brown

The motion CARRIES.

REP. HUNT will lead discussion on the floor.

220

Chair Brown

Closes the work session on HB 3583, and opens a work session on HB 2749.

HB 2749 – WORK SESSION

230

Janet Adkins

Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2749, and the proposed -4 amendments (EXHIBIT E). Enters into the record submitted written testimony (EXHIBIT F) from the United Seniors of Oregon in opposition to HB 2749.

280

Rep. Greenlick

Asks about specific language in the bill.

285

Adkins

Addresses the language in question.

290

Lee Hazelwood

Senior Advocate. Offers testimony in opposition to HB 2749, and questions wording in the -4 amendments.

305

Dawn Phillips

Representative Miller’s Office. Offers an explanation of wording in the proposed -4 amendments.

315

Rep. Zauner

Asks what an individual can file a complaint for.

320

Phillips

Points out the wording in the amendment which outlines who can complain, and for what.

330

Rep. Greenlick

Asks about the cardlock language in the amendment.

335

Cliff Olson

Nelson Oil Products. Explains that cardlocks are unattended sites, and the bill would affect attended sites.

350

Rep. Greenlick

Asks where in the amendment cardlocks are excluded.

355

Phillips

Identifies section four, line 20, and further discusses the issues of cardlocks.

360

Cliff Olson

Further clarifies the cardlock issue and language in the amendment.

370

Rep. Greenlick

Further clarifies the language.

375

Olson

Acknowledges.

380

Rep. Beyer

Asks whether the amendment pulls the state fire marshal out of oversight.

390

Olson

Explains that there would be no change.

395

Rep. Beyer

Asks whether there is currently any overview of attended gas station.

400

Phillips

Explains the regulatory role of the fire marshal.

TAPE 87, B

010

Janet Adkins

Points out a part of the amendment which is a conflict amendment.

020

Rep. Mabrey

MOTION:  Moves to ADOPT HB 2749-4 amendments dated 04/18/03 and that the amendments be FURTHER AMENDED on page 1, line 6, by deleting line six.

 

 

VOTE:  7-0

 

Chair Brown

Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.

030

Rep. Mabrey

MOTION:  Moves HB 2749 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.

040

Rep. Greenlick

Indicates his intent to vote Aye on the bill, but points out he may vote No on the floor.

045

Rep. Zauner

Indicates his vote will be a courtesy vote on the floor.

050

Rep. Mabrey

Questions who will carry the bill if passed out of committee.

055

Rep. Beyer

Expresses her intent to vote No on the bill.

057

Rep. Gilman

Expresses his intent to vote No on the bill.

060

Chair Brown

Points out he will vote Aye, with the intent of seeing the issue discussed on the house floor.

065

 

VOTE:  4-3

AYE:               4 - Greenlick, Mabrey, Zauner, Brown

NAY:               3 - Beyer, Dingfelder, Gilman

 

Chair Brown

The motion CARRIES.

REP. MILLER will lead discussion on the floor.

070

Chair Brown

Closes the work session on HB 2749. Points out that Rep. Greenlick will work further on HB 2986, before it is brought again before the committee.

080

Adkins

Discusses the upcoming schedule for the committee.

090

Committee

Further discusses the committee’s upcoming scheduled.

100

Chair Brown

Closes the meeting at 9:36 a.m.

 

 

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

 

A – HB 2455, -A6 amendments, Staff, 1 p.

B – HB 2954, written testimony, Kelly Taylor, 2 pp.

C – HB 2768, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p.

D – HB 3583, -1 amendments, Rep. Hunt, 1 p.

E – HB 2749, -4 amendments, Staff, 16 pp.

F – HB 2749, written testimony, Staff, 1 p.