HOUSE COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION

April 18, 2003 Hearing Room 357

8:30 Tapes 86 - 87

MEMBERS PRESENT: Rep. Alan Brown, Chair

Rep. Elizabeth Beyer, Vice-Chair

Rep. John Mabrey Vice-Chair

Rep. Jackie Dingfelder

Rep. George Gilman

Rep. Mitch Greenlick

Rep. Cliff Zauner

STAFF PRESENT: Janet Adkins, Administrator

Ryan Sherlock, Assistant

MEASURE/ISSUES HEARD: HB 2455 A – Work Session

HB 2954 – Work Session

HB 2768 – Work Session

HB 3583 – Work Session

HB 2749 – Work Session

These minutes are in compliance with Senate and House Rules. Only text enclosed in quotation marks reports a speaker’s exact words. For complete contents, please refer to the tapes.

TAPE/#	Speaker	Comments
Tape 86, A
003	Chair Brown	Calls meeting to order at 8:03 a.m., and opens a work session on HB 2455 A.
HB 2455 A - WORK SESSION
005	Janet Adkins	Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2455 A, and the proposed –A6 amendments (EXHIBIT A).
020	Chair	Asks Ms. Taylor whether there is a fiscal impact on the bill.
025	Kelly Taylor	Oregon Department of Transportation. Explains that there is a fiscal impact, but it is very small.
030	Chair Brown	MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2455A-6 amendments dated 04/17/03.
035	Rep. Greenlick	Clarifies that there is a limit to the number of cars allowed.
040	Chair Brown	Points out where the limitation is in the wording.
045	Rep. Mabrey	Clarifies the effect of the amendment.
050	Taylor	Describes the intent and effect of the amendments.
045		VOTE: 7-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.
	Chair Brown	The motion CARRIES.
050	Rep. Beyer	MOTION: Moves HB 2455A to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.
070		VOTE: 7-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.
	Chair Brown	The motion CARRIES. REP. BEYER will lead discussion on the floor.
075	Chair Brown	Closes the work session on HB 2455A, and opens a work session on HB 2954.
HB 2954 – WORK SESSION
080	Rep. Kropf	House District 17. Offers testimony in support of HB 2954. Describes conceptual amendments being drafted which would expand the scope of the bill.
240	Rep. Beyer	Asks about the fee increase, and asks if currently free services would have fees assessed on them under this bill.
245	Rep. Kropf	Discusses the fee increase, and other funding issues.
320	Rep. Dingfelder	Expresses concern for the cost associated with oversight of these private providers.
330	Rep. Kropf	Discusses the costs of oversight, and further discusses the need to keep costs down and accountability high.
370	Rep. Dingfelder	Points out that the countries used as examples by Rep. Kropf are socialist countries with universal health care.
380	Rep. Kropf	Discusses the privatization in those countries, and further discusses the privatized motor vehicle systems in those counties.
TAPE 87, A
025	Chair Brown	Asks whether these new, private businesses would be apart of current companies or on there own.
030	Rep. Kropf	Explains that they could be either. Discusses the various options.
035	Rep. Mabrey	Asks how prices would be changed through privatization.
045	Rep. Kropf	Discusses the reasons for why prices would change.
060	Rep. Mabrey	Clarifies his question, asking how the individual would make money off the venture.
070	Rep. Kropf	Explains that the current fees are set in statute, and that additional charges would be attributed to convenience.
085	Rep. Greenlick	Points to the bills similarity with the current system for hunting and fishing licenses. But also points out the different between these licenses and the importance of drivers licenses.
095	Rep. Kropf	Discusses the security of driver’s licenses.
105	Rep. Greenlick	Expresses concern for allowing unqualified individuals to make the judgment call in authorizing driver’s license, or having access to the information in the DMV database.
110	Rep. Kropf	Further discusses the security issue implicit in driver’s license.
160	Rep. Greenlick	Asks whether Rep. Kropf would model these private DMV offices off of the semi-privatized liquor stores.
165	Rep. Kropf	Discusses the example of semi-privatized liquor stores.
180	Rep. Beyer	Asks whether there are any numbers suggesting what the saving could be, and asks if Rep. Kropf has had any conversations with those who would be interested in running these private DMV offices.
190	Rep. Kropf	Explains that he does not have such numbers, nor has he had such conversations. Further discusses the issue.
205	Rep. Zauner	Points out his work with Oregon Department of Transportation regarding driver training. Points out the deficiencies in the requirements for obtaining a drivers license.
230	Rep. Kropf	Discusses the problems with the driver’s license process.
270	Kelly Taylor	Oregon Department of Transportation, Division of Motor Vehicles. Offers written testimony (EXHIBIT B) regarding HB 2954. Discusses the current efforts of the DMV to link some services with the private industry.
TAPE 86, B
020	Rep. Beyer	Comments on conversations she has had with DMV employees regarding the efficiency of the current semi-private ventures.
025	Taylor	Explains that those ventures are held to the same error rates as the division.
030	Michael Slatter	Service Employees Union International (SEUI). Offers testimony in opposition to HB 2954.
065	Rep. Zauner	Asks what states the fraud occurred in.
070	Slatter	Identifies Ohio and New Jersey as the states in question.
075	Chair Brown	Closes the work session on HB 2954, and opens a work session on HB 2768.
HB 2768 – WORK SESSION
080	Janet Adkins	Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2768, and the proposed -1 amendments (EXHIBIT C).
090	Rep. Prozanski	House District 8. Offers testimony in support of HB 2768, and the -1 amendments.
095	Rep. Mabrey	Clarifies what the intent of the amendments is.
100	Rep. Prozanski	Discusses the intent of the amendments.
105	Rep. Mabrey	Discusses the scope of the amendment.
110	Rep. Prozanski	Comments on the scope of the amendment.
115	Rep. Beyer	MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2768-1 amendments dated 03/21/03.
		VOTE: 7-0
	Chair Brown	Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.
120	Rep. Beyer	MOTION: Moves HB 2768 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.
125	Rep. Zauner	Expresses his intent to vote Aye on the bill.
130	Rep. Greenlick	Expresses his concerns with the bill, but intent to vote Aye.
135		VOTE: 7-0 AYE: In a roll call vote, all members present vote Aye.
	Chair Brown	The motion CARRIES. REP. PROZANSKI will lead discussion on the floor.
140	Chair Brown	Closes the work session on HB 2768, and opens a work session on HB 3583.
HB 3583 – WORK SESSION
145	Rep. Hunt	House District 40. Offers testimony in support of HB 3583, and the proposed -1 amendments (EXHIBIT D).
160	Rep. Dingfelder	Asks if Rep. Hunt would address Oregon Department of Transportation’s concerns with issuing the infractions and educating the public of the proposed new infraction.
170	Rep. Hunt	Points out other laws which are not consistent from state to state, and points out that ODOT already does safety education.
190	Janet Adkins	Committee Administrator. Points out that the amendment effects only the circumstance where headlights are used in conjunction with wipers.
195	Rep. Greenlick	MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 3583-1 amendments dated 04/15/03.
		VOTE: 7-0
	Chair Brown	Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.
200	Rep. Greenlick	MOTION: Moves HB 3583 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.
205	Rep. Zauner	Expresses his intent to vote NO on the bill, and outlines his concerns.
210	Rep. Gilman	Indicates his intent to vote NO.
215		VOTE: 5-2 AYE: 5 - Beyer, Dingfelder, Greenlick, Mabrey, Brown NAY: 2 - Gilman, Zauner
	Chair Brown	The motion CARRIES. REP. HUNT will lead discussion on the floor.
220	Chair Brown	Closes the work session on HB 3583, and opens a work session on HB 2749.
HB 2749 – WORK SESSION
230	Janet Adkins	Committee Administrator. Offers a description of HB 2749, and the proposed -4 amendments (EXHIBIT E). Enters into the record submitted written testimony (EXHIBIT F) from the United Seniors of Oregon in opposition to HB 2749.
280	Rep. Greenlick	Asks about specific language in the bill.
285	Adkins	Addresses the language in question.
290	Lee Hazelwood	Senior Advocate. Offers testimony in opposition to HB 2749, and questions wording in the -4 amendments.
305	Dawn Phillips	Representative Miller’s Office. Offers an explanation of wording in the proposed -4 amendments.
315	Rep. Zauner	Asks what an individual can file a complaint for.
320	Phillips	Points out the wording in the amendment which outlines who can complain, and for what.
330	Rep. Greenlick	Asks about the cardlock language in the amendment.
335	Cliff Olson	Nelson Oil Products. Explains that cardlocks are unattended sites, and the bill would affect attended sites.
350	Rep. Greenlick	Asks where in the amendment cardlocks are excluded.
355	Phillips	Identifies section four, line 20, and further discusses the issues of cardlocks.
360	Cliff Olson	Further clarifies the cardlock issue and language in the amendment.
370	Rep. Greenlick	Further clarifies the language.
375	Olson	Acknowledges.
380	Rep. Beyer	Asks whether the amendment pulls the state fire marshal out of oversight.
390	Olson	Explains that there would be no change.
395	Rep. Beyer	Asks whether there is currently any overview of attended gas station.
400	Phillips	Explains the regulatory role of the fire marshal.
TAPE 87, B
010	Janet Adkins	Points out a part of the amendment which is a conflict amendment.
020	Rep. Mabrey	MOTION: Moves to ADOPT HB 2749-4 amendments dated 04/18/03 and that the amendments be FURTHER AMENDED on page 1, line 6, by deleting line six.
		VOTE: 7-0
	Chair Brown	Hearing no objection, declares the motion CARRIED.
030	Rep. Mabrey	MOTION: Moves HB 2749 to the floor with a DO PASS AS AMENDED recommendation.
040	Rep. Greenlick	Indicates his intent to vote Aye on the bill, but points out he may vote No on the floor.
045	Rep. Zauner	Indicates his vote will be a courtesy vote on the floor.
050	Rep. Mabrey	Questions who will carry the bill if passed out of committee.
055	Rep. Beyer	Expresses her intent to vote No on the bill.
057	Rep. Gilman	Expresses his intent to vote No on the bill.
060	Chair Brown	Points out he will vote Aye, with the intent of seeing the issue discussed on the house floor.
065		VOTE: 4-3 AYE: 4 - Greenlick, Mabrey, Zauner, Brown NAY: 3 - Beyer, Dingfelder, Gilman
	Chair Brown	The motion CARRIES. REP. MILLER will lead discussion on the floor.
070	Chair Brown	Closes the work session on HB 2749. Points out that Rep. Greenlick will work further on HB 2986, before it is brought again before the committee.
080	Adkins	Discusses the upcoming schedule for the committee.
090	Committee	Further discusses the committee’s upcoming scheduled.
100	Chair Brown	Closes the meeting at 9:36 a.m.

EXHIBIT SUMMARY

A – HB 2455, -A6 amendments, Staff, 1 p.

B – HB 2954, written testimony, Kelly Taylor, 2 pp.

C – HB 2768, -1 amendments, Staff, 1 p.

D – HB 3583, -1 amendments, Rep. Hunt, 1 p.

E – HB 2749, -4 amendments, Staff, 16 pp.

F – HB 2749, written testimony, Staff, 1 p.